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woj · 06-13-2005, 01:19 AM

50 bailing on Bush.

Probono · 06-13-2005, 01:24 AM

and Hitler's campaign against the jews was also to catch bad guys destroying the German system, same with Stalin in his purges. Wake up and realize once a law restricting the rights of some people is put in place it can then be used selectively against whomever is the enemy of the week.

FALL BACK TO YOUR CONSERVATIVE ROOTS AND REMEMBER A GOVERNMENT THAT GOVERS BEST GOVERNS LEAST.

theking · 06-13-2005, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Probono

and Hitler's campaign against the jews was also to catch bad guys destroying the German system, same with Stalin in his purges. Wake up and realize once a law restricting the rights of some people is put in place it can then be used selectively against whomever is the enemy of the week.

FALL BACK TO YOUR CONSERVATIVE ROOTS AND REMEMBER A GOVERNMENT THAT GOVERS BEST GOVERNS LEAST.

Well the US is not Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union...and I have zero concern that it will ever become either. The laws will be used to attempt to cacth criminals/terrorists...and not Joe Shmoe or Mrs. Shmoe...working at the local super market and beauty parlor.

Probono · 06-13-2005, 01:37 AM

No the US is an economic tyrant that uses it's military to enforce it's economic will on the world. If you value life by how much you can earn and how much you can buy this is a grand place to live. You are buying into the jingoism as you are supposed to buy into it. It is not your fault, you were taught concepts like manifest destiny in school. The education system in tis country is designed to make good industrial age drones.

Bread and circuses while Rome burns seems to be a repetitive theme in history. Go back and watch the football game, eat a burger and think they will never come for me I am a good German, opps American.

OldJeff · 06-13-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

Well the US is not Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union...and I have zero concern that it will ever become either. The laws will be used to attempt to cacth criminals/terrorists...and not Joe Shmoe or Mrs. Shmoe...working at the local super market and beauty parlor.

Yep.....

And 2257 was written to protect children

theking · 06-13-2005, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

Yep.....

And 2257 was written to protect children

Well in fact 2257 was initially written to require primary producers of porn to require ID so that in fact any and every minor that chose to make a few quick bucks could not easily do so...and the same applies to the primary producers. So yes it was written to protect minors...from doing porn...now wasn't it?

Probono · 06-13-2005, 03:14 AM

and the current regulations are fair and honest in their attempt to do just that. Let's see up to 5 years in prison for a record keeping error, that achieves the goal. If this is not designed to intimidate people out of the porn business it must be an error in printing.

OldJeff · 06-13-2005, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

Well in fact 2257 was initially written to require primary producers of porn to require ID so that in fact any and every minor that chose to make a few quick bucks could not easily do so...and the same applies to the primary producers. So yes it was written to protect minors...from doing porn...now wasn't it?

After you sit down with some of the people actually involved with the Traci Lords fiasco that led to 2257 requirements (as I have), spend some 30-40 hours with an attorney discussing 2257 (as I have) you can start to talk with me about 2257. (Which by the way Traci Lords provided them with ID's so aparently before it was written it is pretty evident that it is flawed)

That said I was talking specifically about the changes to 2257 written by John AssHat, and signed by Speedy Gonzales which is causing the current PITA we are all dealing with.

Laws are routinely used in a number of ways they were not intended.

theking · 06-13-2005, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Probono

and the current regulations are fair and honest in their attempt to do just that. Let's see up to 5 years in prison for a record keeping error, that achieves the goal. If this is not designed to intimidate people out of the porn business it must be an error in printing.

I seriously doubt that anyone will ever be charged for an honest record keeping error...let alone see a single day in prison.

I am not satisfied that the secondary producer/publisher record keeping requirements will stand up when challenged.

I am also satisfied that many...if not most businesses (I have had some experience in business) and know a number of businessmen that are equally as unhappy with the regulatory burdens placed upon them...by city...county...state...and/or federal government.

Just one example. One reason gas is so high...is not because there is any shortage of oil...but because of the shortage of refinerys. Why the shortage of refinerys...one primary reason is the EPA and the huge expense to meet EPA regulatory requirements...as well as other goverment regulatory requirements.

theking · 06-13-2005, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

Laws are routinely used in a number of ways they were not intended.

Yes...that is historically correct...at least in my lifetime (I am in my late forties) and just as routinely are rectified by the courts and/or a modification of the law be the writers of the law. But of course...historically...some have had to suffer in the meantime...but this is nothing new.

Probono · 06-13-2005, 03:38 AM

So King if I understand you correctly the government is good when you agree with them and bad when you disagree with them? That's ok because that makes sense. Since you think 2257 will not withstand scrutiny by the courts how about offering to pay the legal expenses of the first person on the board arrested under the statute? After all if the law is wrong why should they have hundreds of thousands in legal fees?

This is the game played under Reagan's administration bring lots of prosections and financially exhaust the defendants.

In this land of democracy ( incidently, it is not a democracy but a republic) you would think government would not play such games.

I have spent many of my years as a good capitalist, a good activist for change and I am witnessing the dumbing of America. I still considering a change and so far I am planning trips to Canada and Costa Rica. I wish someone suggested the Netherlands since I love Holland but I believe that the problems of Europe are making that less attractive.

theking · 06-13-2005, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Probono

So King if I understand you correctly the government is good when you agree with them and bad when you disagree with them? That's ok because that makes sense. Since you think 2257 will not withstand scrutiny by the courts how about offering to pay the legal expenses of the first person on the board arrested under the statute? After all if the law is wrong why should they have hundreds of thousands in legal fees?

This is the game played under Reagan's administration bring lots of prosections and financially exhaust the defendants.

In this land of democracy ( incidently, it is not a democracy but a republic) you would think government would not play such games.

I have spent many of my years as a good capitalist, a good activist for change and I am witnessing the dumbing of America. I still considering a change and so far I am planning trips to Canada and Costa Rica. I wish someone suggested the Netherlands since I love Holland but I believe that the problems of Europe are making that less attractive.

Well...I personally seldom agree with what government does...city...county state and federal government. My favorite bones have been picked with city and county as they have affected my business life more than any other.

If I am not mistaken the original 2257 has already been tested in the courts and has been upheld by the courts (I may be wrong). As for the new 2257 regs...I think it will be upheld by the courts...other than the secondary/publisher aspect of it. That seems to me to be redundant...and unecessary.

Of course I will not pay anyones legal fees...other than my own...if I must.

PMdave · 06-13-2005, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Probono

Individual freedom
Ability to do porn as a business without fear of going to jail
Quality lifestyle
good healthcare system
open immigration policy for moving a porn business
reasonable or no taxation
any recommendations?

Belgium:
-taxes are a bit high but we have most def. the very best healthcare system, schools, social security,.... ,.... so yeah taxes are reasonable.
-Porn is no problem.
-Imigration policy is "do-able" for americans.
-it's the capital of europe so it's the place to be for doing biz in Europe.

It might not be dreamland but it's number 4 on the list of best countries to live in.

WarChild · 06-13-2005, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Probono

I still considering a change and so far I am planning trips to Canada and Costa Rica.

As a Canadian, I highly reccomend Costa Rica. I myself am return there to live next month.

theking · 06-13-2005, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

As a Canadian, I highly reccomend Costa Rica. I myself am return there to live next month.

Would you mind listing all of the good points of living in Costa Rica...from your point of view? Also would you mind listing any negatives from your point of view?

WarChild · 06-13-2005, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

Would you mind listing all of the good points of living in Costa Rica...from your point of view? Also would you mind listing any negatives from your point of view?

Good points for me:

- Low personal tax
- Friendly people
- Different culture and language than I grew up in
- "Wild West" type of atmosphere. Money and who you know still mean a lot in Costa
- Excellent weather (warm) and beautiful beaches
- Excellent food
- Low cost of living

Bad points for me:

- Bad infrastructure (slow internet, bad roads, etc)
- Slow and cumbersome bureaucracy. It's hard to get stuff done in Costa, and nothing is ever done quickly.
- Polluted in the Central Valley (main city area)
- Too many fucking hookers always buggin' ya

theking · 06-13-2005, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Good points for me:

- Low personal tax
- Friendly people
- Different culture and language than I grew up in
- "Wild West" type of atmosphere. Money and who you know still mean a lot in Costa
- Excellent weather (warm) and beautiful beaches
- Excellent food
- Low cost of living

Bad points for me:

- Bad infrastructure (slow internet, bad roads, etc)
- Slow and cumbersome bureaucracy. It's hard to get stuff done in Costa, and nothing is ever done quickly.
- Polluted in the Central Valley (main city area)
- Too many fucking hookers always buggin' ya

Low personal tax is good. I don't like what I have to pay in tax...but I can afford to pay them so it does not affect my life style. So that is not a selling point for me.

Friendly people is good. I don't associate with people...but if I did the people in my AO seem friendly enough. So that is not a selling point for me.

I guess living in a different culture could be interesting...but I have never found it to be so. So that is not a selling point for me.

I guess a "Wild West" atmosphere could be exciting...but I have had enough excitement to last me a life time. So that is not a selling point for me.

Exellent weather is good...but where I live the weather is great except for alittle to much rain in the winter. I live about three miles from the bay and a long...long stretch of white sandy beach. Many lakes and rivers in my AO...with great fishing...beautiful scenery. So that is not a selling point for me.

Excellent food is good...but I am pretty much a meat and potatoes type of guy. The restruants in my AO are not great...but I am not really into eating out that often. So that is not a selling point for me.

Low cost of living is good...but I own my own place outright and can afford to buy what ever I need...so that is not a selling point for me.

In my AO the roads are good...the internet service I have is fast...I have great premium cable TV...with hundreds of channels...fortunately I am retired and do not have many dealings with bureaucracy anymore...the air could not be better...and I don't get bugged at all by hookers.

The only negative that I can think of for my AO is I live in a Tsunami zone...if it happens that could be a big negative...I am thinking.

Bottom line is I think I will rule Costa Rica out...but I hope it works out for you.

spanky part 2 · 06-13-2005, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by simple simon

I like bush for a few reasons and they are monetary, regardless, your killin me with these examples. Lets go look who's being held in cuba, you think those are just regular upstanding citizens? Cmon you know and can do better than that. Once again my life hasn't changed 1 bit. Another day, another dollar. Quit reading all those ridiculous tinfoil sites, it rots the brain, and you are a prime example. Oh ya see sig

I can give you a very personal example. My wife took a job as a VP for a large swedish company with a huge US market share in high end goods. We moved our family and bought a nice house, because in 20 years this company has never had a layoff.

Well, the US office was having it's largest year ever, but because of the great experiment called the "Bush Economic Plan" and a horrible exchange rate, the company was actually losing money. Hence, my wife and about 100 other got laid off.

Now I am expecting a response like " good we don't need those swedes here anyway, but these were americans working for an american division.

I guess he would rather outsource those jobs to India.

Oh yea. Tell the parents of the kids that have been lost in Iraq, what a great job he is doing.

Do you read ANY papers, or do you just watch Fox news and the O'rielly factor?

Here's a little tidbit for ya. The title is U.S. Toll in Iraq Pushes Past 1,700
http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D8AMM3500.html

the real magoo · 06-13-2005, 05:31 AM

Trust me, it´s even worse here in europe. Don´t move here. USA is so much better in so many ways when it comes to running a company. The place to be right now is in north america or asia.

directfiesta · 06-13-2005, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

Of course I will not pay anyones legal fees...other than my own...if I must.

So no problem since you have NO sites.

You can continue surfing, looser.

Kevsh · 06-13-2005, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mastamindz

Canada
We like to smoke pot and so does our government.

Now there's an endorsement if I ever heard one.

theking · 06-13-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

So no problem since you have NO sites.

You can continue surfing, looser.

You of course are a lying piece of foreign trash...but you already know that...now don't you.

12clicks · 06-13-2005, 10:37 AM

probono, funny post.
please alert us when you land in your new country.

Webby · 06-13-2005, 11:59 AM

Only on GFY! :-)

At least the decision on where you want to live is not down to the GFY idiot brigade Probono! :-)

cambaby · 06-13-2005, 12:15 PM

TheKing you are my fucking hero, seriously dude rock on.

warlock667 · 06-13-2005, 12:16 PM

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out!

bye dipshit

Tanker · 06-13-2005, 12:31 PM

Ill be in costa rica in 11 days Jaco cant wait

Probono · 06-13-2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Only on GFY! :-)

At least the decision on where you want to live is not down to the GFY idiot brigade Probono! :-)

GFY is a wonderful interplay of both intelligence and ignorance. No one country has a monopoly on either but too many of the ignorant who post here hail from my country, I am embarrassed.

If I do decide to make the move it will be after careful research and visits. To The King, 12 Clicks, Cambaby and others who are too ignorant to read the writing on the wall I wish you luck and I do recognize your are the majority of the population of the USA; all the more reason to consider better options.

Hopefully the pendulum in the USA will swing back after enough people come to their senses. I actually doubt that will happen without an honest media and that does not exist at this time.

angelsofporn · 06-13-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Probono

Message to simon and the King. If you are silly enough to believe the bullshit you are fed by the US media these days realize that you are living in a bubble of ignorance. We now have secret courts, secret warrants, people held for long periods without charge or trial and on. The new improved patriot act ads such exciting things as administrative warrants. If you do not think these are erosion of your rights you need to get some thinking lessons.

well said. I could add a few things to this but i'm not on my soap box til a little later

SuckOnThis · 06-13-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

They are not an erosion of my rights as they are designed to catch bad guys...and I am one of the good guys...thus my rights are intact. BTW...I am in favor of going after bad guys...aren't youi?

If it was designed simply to catch bad guys then why does the Bush admin need to fabricate stats? Is the the type of behavior you endorse?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8185798/

On Thursday, President Bush stepped to a lectern at the Ohio State Highway Patrol Academy in Columbus to urge renewal of the USA Patriot Act and to boast of the government's success in prosecuting terrorists.

Flanked by Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, Bush said that "federal terrorism investigations have resulted in charges against more than 400 suspects, and more than half of those charged have been convicted."

Those statistics have been used repeatedly by Bush and other administration officials, including Gonzales and his predecessor, John D. Ashcroft, to characterize the government's efforts against terrorism.

But the numbers are misleading at best.

Fewer convictions than advertised
An analysis of the Justice Department's own list of terrorism prosecutions by The Washington Post shows that 39 people ? not 200, as officials have implied ? were convicted of crimes related to terrorism or national security.

Most of the others were convicted of relatively minor crimes such as making false statements and violating immigration law ? and had nothing to do with terrorism, the analysis shows. For the entire list, the median sentence was just 11 months.

Downtime · 06-13-2005, 02:52 PM

Have fun in Canada, hippie!

SuckOnThis · 06-13-2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Downtime

Have fun in Canada, hippie!

Stupid fucking right wing idiots. Can't deal with facts, just repeat shit they hear from Rush Limpball.

Probono · 06-13-2005, 04:14 PM

We will add Downtime to the brainwashed list. Very sad how many people in the US cannot see beyond the trash fed by the US propaganda machine.

You people live online do you ever read anything that does not agree with you?

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06-13-2005, 01:24 AM	#52
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	and Hitler's campaign against the jews was also to catch bad guys destroying the German system, same with Stalin in his purges. Wake up and realize once a law restricting the rights of some people is put in place it can then be used selectively against whomever is the enemy of the week. FALL BACK TO YOUR CONSERVATIVE ROOTS AND REMEMBER A GOVERNMENT THAT GOVERS BEST GOVERNS LEAST.

06-13-2005, 01:37 AM	#54
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	No the US is an economic tyrant that uses it's military to enforce it's economic will on the world. If you value life by how much you can earn and how much you can buy this is a grand place to live. You are buying into the jingoism as you are supposed to buy into it. It is not your fault, you were taught concepts like manifest destiny in school. The education system in tis country is designed to make good industrial age drones. Bread and circuses while Rome burns seems to be a repetitive theme in history. Go back and watch the football game, eat a burger and think they will never come for me I am a good German, opps American.

06-13-2005, 03:14 AM	#57
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	and the current regulations are fair and honest in their attempt to do just that. Let's see up to 5 years in prison for a record keeping error, that achieves the goal. If this is not designed to intimidate people out of the porn business it must be an error in printing.

06-13-2005, 03:38 AM	#61
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	So King if I understand you correctly the government is good when you agree with them and bad when you disagree with them? That's ok because that makes sense. Since you think 2257 will not withstand scrutiny by the courts how about offering to pay the legal expenses of the first person on the board arrested under the statute? After all if the law is wrong why should they have hundreds of thousands in legal fees? This is the game played under Reagan's administration bring lots of prosections and financially exhaust the defendants. In this land of democracy ( incidently, it is not a democracy but a republic) you would think government would not play such games. I have spent many of my years as a good capitalist, a good activist for change and I am witnessing the dumbing of America. I still considering a change and so far I am planning trips to Canada and Costa Rica. I wish someone suggested the Netherlands since I love Holland but I believe that the problems of Europe are making that less attractive.

06-13-2005, 05:31 AM	#69
the real magoo So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: EU Posts: 1,637	Trust me, it´s even worse here in europe. Don´t move here. USA is so much better in so many ways when it comes to running a company. The place to be right now is in north america or asia.

06-13-2005, 12:15 PM	#75
cambaby So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CR Posts: 3,141	TheKing you are my fucking hero, seriously dude rock on.

06-13-2005, 12:16 PM	#76
warlock667 Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 142	Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out! bye dipshit

06-13-2005, 04:14 PM	#83
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	We will add Downtime to the brainwashed list. Very sad how many people in the US cannot see beyond the trash fed by the US propaganda machine. You people live online do you ever read anything that does not agree with you?