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Old 06-14-2005, 03:34 AM   #251
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250 unanswered questions...

Once again this is seeming like fake drama.

The people posting are not the people nailing Danza to the cross, but rather those who would like an answer to the questions raised by others, since Danza was silent for so long.

Time for you who made this an issue to weigh in...and for Danza to be more forthright in answering questions.

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Old 06-14-2005, 03:46 AM   #252
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this is my final post on this subject..

KB and I must have had a misunderstanding.. I like the guy and would like to remain friends.. and hell even work something out... he did defend me amazing... and did nothing wrong at all.. I guess I was just expecting big affiliates because he's KB know what I mean... I will prolly fly him out here in the next week or 2 and get everything straight with him and I and have some drinks and hookers on me.... now back to work
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Old 06-14-2005, 03:50 AM   #253
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Danza, I don't entend to come down on you for things you are acused or labled as. I just have to say I feel your making a mistake where KB is conserned. Even if he isn't bringing you big fish. I feel you lack some skill in dealing with your public image with adultwebmasters. KB started and could have helped you out with that big time. It just feels that you are shy about dealing with problems that get in public view. Or maybe your in denial. ( shrugs ) I do not think that tact works very well for your image. You could use a PR firm or person. KB is choise I think 3 K a month was cheep for the amount of trubles that seam to surround you.

I have to agree with this statement.

Dirty I'm not saying your bad person or would go into a deal with the intent to Not Pay. However you really should post a few facts and get this behind us all.
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Old 06-14-2005, 03:53 AM   #254
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this is my final post on this subject..

KB and I must have had a misunderstanding.. I like the guy and would like to remain friends.. and hell even work something out... he did defend me amazing... and did nothing wrong at all.. I guess I was just expecting big affiliates because he's KB know what I mean... I will prolly fly him out here in the next week or 2 and get everything straight with him and I and have some drinks and hookers on me.... now back to work
Drinks and hookers don't cost $3K, unless you're easier than me?!?

So, no motorcycle tricks in the parking lot in San Diego as promised?

No pix of stiches?

No straight answers on the Player's Ball sponsorship in SD?!?

No comments from the aforementioned designers?!? (Maybe tomorrow they will weigh in...it is late/early depending on your lifecycle).

Kimbo needs to sign up as a Member of GFY too. Screw the middle men. If you're both as tough as you say you are, something can be put together.

Well, this thread remains as clear as mud...

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Old 06-14-2005, 03:55 AM   #255
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this is my final post on this subject..

KB and I must have had a misunderstanding.. I like the guy and would like to remain friends.. and hell even work something out... he did defend me amazing... and did nothing wrong at all.. I guess I was just expecting big affiliates because he's KB know what I mean... I will prolly fly him out here in the next week or 2 and get everything straight with him and I and have some drinks and hookers on me.... now back to work

not saying good deal for points others want adressed, but what you say here is cool ! at least the intent
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Old 06-14-2005, 04:04 AM   #256
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Dirty cut the bullshit , the gfy sheep are smarter you are grade A Juicy Certified scam , con artist and also a douchebag.

As far as anyone else i no more details than you guys do . Dirty D you comitted internet suicide with your actions.
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Dirty cut the bullshit , the gfy sheep are smarter you are grade A Juicy Certified scam , con artist and also a douchebag.

As far as anyone else i no more details than you guys do . Dirty D you comitted internet suicide with your actions.

and I always thought I got along good with you juicy.. now your shocking me... I do not feel I commeted internet suicide at all.. I will only get stronger...
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Old 06-14-2005, 04:19 AM   #258
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Dirty cut the bullshit , the gfy sheep are smarter you are grade A Juicy Certified scam , con artist and also a douchebag.

As far as anyone else i no more details than you guys do . Dirty D you comitted internet suicide with your actions.

Hey don't hold back let him know what you really think
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Old 06-14-2005, 05:49 AM   #259
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Sorry to interrupt the drama but I have a question for KB.

Why is it that you only call upon your 'rolodex of big affiliates' in the 3rd month of the 3-month program. The only reason I could see them answering your calls is that you are cutting deals for their joins and/or giving them fresh sites that haven't been publicly released to the general affiliate pool.

That just doesn't sit right with me and comes off more slick than sharp considering that each join is worth more earlier in the life of a program than 3 months down the road because so many of the costs in running a program are fixed monthly whether you have 10 members or 100 to start out. If there is a time to cut deals for bonuses on joins it is in the very beginning, not 3 months into some promotional schedule.

If anything you should be calling on your affiliate connections in month one and then pumping up the program to the webmaster public in month 3.

I'm not trying to call you out as a liar, it just doesn't seem to make much sense from a logistics standpoint.

And Danza, answer the questions you were asked. You managed to make yourself look even worse by coming into this thread in the fashion that you did. There should be no conflict of interest and the OC3 guy seems very reasonable and I don't think I would hear much complaining from him or D$ if you simply stated that you were completely paid up for your Player's Ball sponsorship package.
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Old 06-14-2005, 06:16 AM   #260
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anyone who is due for a payout up till now has been paid..
You mean only your affliates right?
There are a few of us designers who made galleries for you and got them approved - and we still haven't got paid. If you remember - you approved all galleries I made, it was $336 and I said lets go with $300, later I sent you a msg saying that even $250 is fine, and I didn't get a reply (except once from zombiegirl, she told me it'll be ok when you get back, and I haven't heared from either of you since).
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Dirty ds, something i was thinking for a long time already: Youre just another punk ass scammer full of shit and lies. Im happy finally more people are seeing it. For quite a while already i thought you were full of shit but the sheep of gfy were too impressed by your big words to see the truth.

Just another scammer, just another liar. One of many on gfy.
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Old 06-14-2005, 06:57 AM   #262
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Sorry to interrupt the drama but I have a question for KB.

Why is it that you only call upon your 'rolodex of big affiliates' in the 3rd month of the 3-month program. The only reason I could see them answering your calls is that you are cutting deals for their joins and/or giving them fresh sites that haven't been publicly released to the general affiliate pool.

That just doesn't sit right with me and comes off more slick than sharp considering that each join is worth more earlier in the life of a program than 3 months down the road because so many of the costs in running a program are fixed monthly whether you have 10 members or 100 to start out. If there is a time to cut deals for bonuses on joins it is in the very beginning, not 3 months into some promotional schedule.

If anything you should be calling on your affiliate connections in month one and then pumping up the program to the webmaster public in month 3.

I'm not trying to call you out as a liar, it just doesn't seem to make much sense from a logistics standpoint.

And Danza, answer the questions you were asked. You managed to make yourself look even worse by coming into this thread in the fashion that you did. There should be no conflict of interest and the OC3 guy seems very reasonable and I don't think I would hear much complaining from him or D$ if you simply stated that you were completely paid up for your Player's Ball sponsorship package.

Good question... I know people where he was supposed to get his "connections" to take their product (which is a very good one) and after them paying him 2k they got absolutely nothing out of the deal. Would it REALLY have been that hard to get just 1 person to take it?

If i was Danza i'd be more pissed off that KB was working for Mobbucks at roughly the same time as DS. How could i expect him to get his connections to my site when hes feeding them another program as well? It's a conflict of interest.
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this is my final post on this subject..

KB and I must have had a misunderstanding.. I like the guy and would like to remain friends.. and hell even work something out... he did defend me amazing... and did nothing wrong at all.. I guess I was just expecting big affiliates because he's KB know what I mean... I will prolly fly him out here in the next week or 2 and get everything straight with him and I and have some drinks and hookers on me.... now back to work

then save your money from that and pay him the $3000 ... Arent you making 200+ sales plus amount..!?? ONLY the biggest idiot in world's history wouldnt save his reputation by paying $3000 when he is making over 1 million $ year ....

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Just verify one thing.

Was their a verbal or written contract?
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Just verify one thing.

Was their a verbal or written contract?
There has been mention of a verbal agreement made over the phone.
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this is my final post on this subject..

KB and I must have had a misunderstanding.. I like the guy and would like to remain friends.. and hell even work something out... he did defend me amazing... and did nothing wrong at all.. I guess I was just expecting big affiliates because he's KB know what I mean... I will prolly fly him out here in the next week or 2 and get everything straight with him and I and have some drinks and hookers on me.... now back to work
How the hell do you expect big affiliates when you lie all over the board, don't pay your designers and don't follow through too much with your kimbo fight ?
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Dirty ds, something i was thinking for a long time already: Youre just another punk ass scammer full of shit and lies. Im happy finally more people are seeing it. For quite a while already i thought you were full of shit but the sheep of gfy were too impressed by your big words to see the truth.

Just another scammer, just another liar. One of many on gfy.

Pathological lyers like MetaformX, DirtyDS and Grimshawn should start an affiliate program toghether... The numbers they'll make, in their head, should be out of this world !!
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So I have heard from Danza...
And here is what he says in a nutshell-

you there bro
Danza (06:09 PM) :
"KB, listen... you've been supposed to get me affiliates that generate steady income, you promised me big guys. Until today you have 5 affiliates that made exactly $0.00 in revenue. How do you see me paying your $3k monthly if you do not deliver your part of the deal. At this point I don't see what I should pay you for. Hereby I offer you 20% of all affiliates you bring on board, when I see you do good work,we can always negotiate your $3k a month plus 10% from your affiliates, until then the 20% stand as my offer. I am not trying to be a dick bro.. I have always thought your cool and this is buisness not as friends know what I mean"



Now why on earth would I send my trusted contacts and clients over to a person who cannot answer my calls?

I did something here that I have never done before- I started work in good faith that we'd consummate a great working relationship together-
I ws told a check would be sent out for half of my monthly fee last wednesday
to date no check-

I think I stuck my neck out pretty good and tried to protect Danza from his negative jabs he was receiving on this board-

This is what he tells me- I am supposed to send him joins when he hasn't paid me?

Come on Danza, let's be real here for a minute. Why would I bend over backwards and continue to solicit affiliates when some of your affiliates were hounding me for your late payments already?

Danza this is ludicrous and what you call a clear case of someone renegging on a verbal agreement, and not living up to what you said to me in our discussions.

I feel as though you really put me in a bad situation here- and I know from the amount of people asking about what's up with Danza today at the tradeshow-
What a dick ... He fucking got involved in so much shit and too many lies for you to be able to bring even ONE affiliate .
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To get this correct I am missing something...

What was your exact verbal agreement?

Considering the fact you promised him large refs and your 5 refs you brought in made $0.00 so far, I can understand Danza and actually think the 20% until he has seen some results are a fair offer.

And why do you post his ICQ here and don't solve this in private, as he contacted you in private as well.

Just curious...

If you don't want to explain here, ICQ is in my sig.

S.-
He's a PR agent ... He handled public relationship VERY fucking well . If danza was too stupid to get into all this BULLSHIT, then that's his own fault . I haven't really bashed danza anytime before this thread ... but this fucking sucks
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this Dirty DS guy is a real loser, it was easy to see from Day 1.
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I heard KB doubled his traffic.... to 7 joins a day.
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and I always thought I got along good with you juicy.. now your shocking me... I do not feel I commeted internet suicide at all.. I will only get stronger...


You don't get it dude ... you look fucking pathetic right now .

You and I were cool till you started fucking mutual friends over and makign them wait for their money ?

When you buy a banner on gfy, you don't make the money back the first month ... or the 2nd ... it's the same thing with a PR agent . Just pay the guy his money and get the fuck out of the business .
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No one knows what was truely said or agreed on except KB and Dirty Douche Bag...but DD looks like he's a smuck trying to false flag. Anyone here ever watch http://www.clickherethemovie.com/ he's a fucking fag! LOL
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heres the direct links http:/clickherethemovie.com/movies/clickhere1.mpg and this also http://clickherethemovie.com/clickhere.html
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We should all watch out he's got a closet full of guns......LMAO ...this guy smells of a douche bag!
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There has been mention of a verbal agreement made over the phone.

If this is then true, a verbal agreement, then the contract is worth the money it was written on.

He said, they said, blah blah blah, won't hold up in court.

Get everything in writing.
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If this is then true, a verbal agreement, then the contract is worth the money it was written on.

He said, they said, blah blah blah, won't hold up in court.

Get everything in writing.
Nop but he WILL loose his reputation over 3k ... his internet days are over .
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Dirty D is still a main sponsor of the Players Ball.

I still will not make any comments in public about whether a sponsor is late with their payment or all paid up.

All I know is this.

When I have a main sponsorship sold, whether paid up or not, I act in good faith with the belief that I will get paid. So I continue on a good faith path with all sponsors whether paid up or not.

In the past I have had a sponsor pay after the Players Ball, they gave a partial payment before the Ball and owed the rest for a long time after. I never made that public because I believe in getting paid sooner or later.

I'm not a bank, so when that happens it's very frustrating, but I keep my business frustrations to myself because I'm a professional and this industry doesn't change that about me.

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Nop but he WILL loose his reputation over 3k ... his internet days are over .
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Reguardless if he pays up or not...his reputation is forever tarnished and he will not be trusted IMO.
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this Dirty DS guy is a real loser, it was easy to see from Day 1.
Bingoooo!
Are you and I the only ones who saw that?
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Old 06-14-2005, 10:06 AM   #286
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ooooh the drama. Some of you guys should have your own series.
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Old 06-14-2005, 12:17 PM   #287
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Dirty D is still a main sponsor of the Players Ball.

I still will not make any comments in public about whether a sponsor is late with their payment or all paid up.

All I know is this.

When I have a main sponsorship sold, whether paid up or not, I act in good faith with the belief that I will get paid. So I continue on a good faith path with all sponsors whether paid up or not.

In the past I have had a sponsor pay after the Players Ball, they gave a partial payment before the Ball and owed the rest for a long time after. I never made that public because I believe in getting paid sooner or later.

I'm not a bank, so when that happens it's very frustrating, but I keep my business frustrations to myself because I'm a professional and this industry doesn't change that about me.

Fair enough - just hope you get paid all that you are due...and sooner rather than later.

You put on some good shows D$, and I know they cost money. As an independent site operator I don't have anything to sell to the webmaster community, otherwise I would consider doing a sponsorship, since it can be good PR.

Have a great party tonight!!!

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Old 06-14-2005, 01:52 PM   #288
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Fair enough - just hope you get paid all that you are due...and sooner rather than later.

You put on some good shows D$, and I know they cost money. As an independent site operator I don't have anything to sell to the webmaster community, otherwise I would consider doing a sponsorship, since it can be good PR.

Have a great party tonight!!!

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Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully we'll have drinks together in a future Players Ball, maybe with you as a sponsor one day, who knows.
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Dirty D is still a main sponsor of the Players Ball.

I still will not make any comments in public about whether a sponsor is late with their payment or all paid up.

All I know is this.

When I have a main sponsorship sold, whether paid up or not, I act in good faith with the belief that I will get paid. So I continue on a good faith path with all sponsors whether paid up or not.

In the past I have had a sponsor pay after the Players Ball, they gave a partial payment before the Ball and owed the rest for a long time after. I never made that public because I believe in getting paid sooner or later.

I'm not a bank, so when that happens it's very frustrating, but I keep my business frustrations to myself because I'm a professional and this industry doesn't change that about me.

that sort of atittude is rare these days, specialy because people change alot after beeing fucked several times.

Respect tho
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Old 06-14-2005, 03:03 PM   #290
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Dirty D is still a main sponsor of the Players Ball.

I still will not make any comments in public about whether a sponsor is late with their payment or all paid up.

All I know is this.

When I have a main sponsorship sold, whether paid up or not, I act in good faith with the belief that I will get paid. So I continue on a good faith path with all sponsors whether paid up or not.

In the past I have had a sponsor pay after the Players Ball, they gave a partial payment before the Ball and owed the rest for a long time after. I never made that public because I believe in getting paid sooner or later.

I'm not a bank, so when that happens it's very frustrating, but I keep my business frustrations to myself because I'm a professional and this industry doesn't change that about me.

A class move in a messy situation.
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Old 06-14-2005, 03:20 PM   #291
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good post D-Money. I hope you can get some cash money millionaires to perform at a players ball someday
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Old 06-14-2005, 03:44 PM   #292
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D$, is too nice of a guy to roast this guy in public (and still hoping danza can save up $3k to pay him). But he should so that others know no to avoid doing any biz with him.
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Old 06-14-2005, 04:08 PM   #293
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D$, is too nice of a guy to roast this guy in public (and still hoping danza can save up $3k to pay him). But he should so that others know no to avoid doing any biz with him.
Thought Danza owed KB $3k
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Old 06-14-2005, 04:29 PM   #294
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D$, is too nice of a guy to roast this guy in public (and still hoping danza can save up $3k to pay him). But he should so that others know no to avoid doing any biz with him.
Agreed.

The Player's Ball sponsorship doesn't exist in a vacuum, especially when people are claiming that Danza still owes affiliates and designers on outstanding balances.

He doesn't have to make a huge scene, something as simple as 'As of this date we have not been paid' would suffice. Not that you don't get just as much reading between the lines...
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Old 06-14-2005, 11:54 PM   #295
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You mean only your affliates right?
There are a few of us designers who made galleries for you and got them approved - and we still haven't got paid. If you remember - you approved all galleries I made, it was $336 and I said lets go with $300, later I sent you a msg saying that even $250 is fine, and I didn't get a reply (except once from zombiegirl, she told me it'll be ok when you get back, and I haven't heared from either of you since).
yep, I've been promised to be paid on 1st of july and that was already about 1.5 months late.. and still nothing
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Old 06-15-2005, 12:45 AM   #296
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I had a verbal agreement
and never promised HUGE affiliates

Hope that answers some questions
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Old 06-15-2005, 03:22 AM   #297
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Well looks like we have some answers:

Brad has come in with the Big I told You So :
"Looks like he is right too"

D$ is a class act and will not disclose payment info about Players Ball Sponsorship:
"However seems like only a partial payment has been made by Dirty"

KB from the looks of it did his job and was stiffed :
"No matter what results there were - We saw and read KB posting on behalf of Dirty" Pr or Marketing he was doing the job.

Kimbo Fight is still in the works !!
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Let's see some pix from the Players Ball - of course I am talkin' about the wet t-shirt contest.

Heard it was crackalackin'...

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Old 06-15-2005, 06:25 AM   #299
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No matter who's paid or not as a marketing guy, I believe it's safe to say this has caused irreparable damage to DanzaBucks' reputation as an affiliate program & company.

That's too bad. Good Luck to all parties involved (sounds like ya'll will need it), -g

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How many people here would still sign up for Danza bucks?
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