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notjoe · 06-11-2005, 05:26 PM

150 missing Danza bucks

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-11-2005, 06:42 PM

KBizzle seems like quite a hustler (I mean that in the good way), and so I feel sorry for him if Danza is stiffing him for money.

Likewise, Danza will be letting everyone in San Diego down if he fails to come through on his sponsorship pledge. They may have to change the entertainment from "Half-Pint" to Quarter Pounder, and Tone Loc to no luck.

I guess it's not too late. Danza can make it all good by settling his debts and then ride his bike up on stage at the Player's Ball.

Despite all of the goofing on my posts in this thread, I do hope everything works out fine for all concerned.

ADG Webmaster

Thomas N · 06-11-2005, 06:53 PM

Job #47 fall through?

Far-L · 06-11-2005, 07:21 PM

It certainly is not KB's fault if someone misrepresents themselves to him.

CDSmith · 06-11-2005, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

I don't like it when people do not respond to phone calls and icq's-

I'm thinking the % of those who actually like that is quite low.

It's just a theory of mine. :D

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 12:40 AM

So I have heard from Danza...
And here is what he says in a nutshell-

you there bro
Danza (06:09 PM) :
"KB, listen... you've been supposed to get me affiliates that generate steady income, you promised me big guys. Until today you have 5 affiliates that made exactly $0.00 in revenue. How do you see me paying your $3k monthly if you do not deliver your part of the deal. At this point I don't see what I should pay you for. Hereby I offer you 20% of all affiliates you bring on board, when I see you do good work,we can always negotiate your $3k a month plus 10% from your affiliates, until then the 20% stand as my offer. I am not trying to be a dick bro.. I have always thought your cool and this is buisness not as friends know what I mean"

Now why on earth would I send my trusted contacts and clients over to a person who cannot answer my calls?

I did something here that I have never done before- I started work in good faith that we'd consummate a great working relationship together-
I ws told a check would be sent out for half of my monthly fee last wednesday
to date no check-

I think I stuck my neck out pretty good and tried to protect Danza from his negative jabs he was receiving on this board-

This is what he tells me- I am supposed to send him joins when he hasn't paid me?

Come on Danza, let's be real here for a minute. Why would I bend over backwards and continue to solicit affiliates when some of your affiliates were hounding me for your late payments already?

Danza this is ludicrous and what you call a clear case of someone renegging on a verbal agreement, and not living up to what you said to me in our discussions.

I feel as though you really put me in a bad situation here- and I know from the amount of people asking about what's up with Danza today at the tradeshow-

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 12:45 AM

and those five affiliates that signed up for DANZABUCKS signed up while I was defending you that day on GFY-

It is IN NO WAY A MEASURE OF MY ROLODEX -
My rolodex is reserved for paying customers

brand0n · 06-12-2005, 12:47 AM

is it true that your efforts so far have resulted in 0.00 his way?
are you saying that he would have had much better results if he would have paid upfront?

JOKER · 06-12-2005, 12:50 AM

To get this correct I am missing something...

What was your exact verbal agreement?

Considering the fact you promised him large refs and your 5 refs you brought in made $0.00 so far, I can understand Danza and actually think the 20% until he has seen some results are a fair offer.

And why do you post his ICQ here and don't solve this in private, as he contacted you in private as well.

Just curious...

If you don't want to explain here, ICQ is in my sig.

S.-

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-12-2005, 12:52 AM

KB, I think it speaks volumes that Danza hasn't said "peep" here at GFY on this issue.

Anyone with a small degree of marketing acumen know that it typically takes sometimes months to ramp up a marketing program. It's not about instant gratification, it's about long-term success.

If Danza made a deal with you, then he should pay according to the deal that you agreed upon. If he wanted certain pay criteria, he should have stated so up front, not after the fact.

I know you're reading this Danza. What do you have to say, considering that your credibility is being cut to shreds?

ADG Webmaster

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brand0n

is it true that your efforts so far have resulted in 0.00 his way?
are you saying that he would have had much better results if he would have paid upfront?

absofuckinlutely.

There are three stages to what I do-
There is an introductory phase in which press releases are disseminated and general awareness is raised-
Then the 2nd stage of my services includes aggressively marketing my programs directly to qualified affilaites

3rd stage is maintaining and assisting affilaites to help make them more money as well as educate them on other programs we are launcing-

I didn't even get past phase 1- I DID write a press release, I placed his prgram in my sig, and made a few calls.

Lest any of you think i wasn't doing my job- I was doing part of phase 1 of a three month plan-
and truthfully to retain me for three months is almost to short a time span- but it's enough to see how I work and some results

Digipimp · 06-12-2005, 12:57 AM

So basically Danza thought KB would drop tons of money into his pocked and get $3000 a month in return and when it didn't happen he hid and decided to change the deal.

If he was wanting a % deal to start with he could have offered that or agreed to that initially. Say hey KB how about I give you this much of every $ that you send me through an affiliate of yours.

So I can't understand either guys position. KB backed a guy with all the drama saying how he was throwing down big money at the casinos and all this and that without ever knowing it was happening and Danza is trying to bullshit his way out of a deal.

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

KB, I think it speaks volumes that Danza hasn't said "peep" here at GFY on this issue.

Anyone with a small degree of marketing acumen know that it typically takes sometimes months to ramp up a marketing program. It's not about instant gratification, it's about long-term success.

If Danza made a deal with you, then he should pay according to the deal that you agreed upon. If he wanted certain pay criteria, he should have stated so up front, not after the fact.

I know you're reading this Danza. What do you have to say, considering that your credibility is being cut to shreds?

ADG Webmaster

I really like you ADG-
Please introduce yourself to me sometime in the near future - I like the way you "get it"

He made a deal now he is trying to reneg-
I am fine with it- It just shows ones true integrity-

I acted in GOOD FAITH
He paid me nothing. He got what he paid for ;-)

Major (Tom) · 06-12-2005, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

Please get in touch with us before Sunday morning-
You have made a commitment to us and are expecting that you'll pull through.

I don't like it when people do not respond to phone calls and icq's-

If you are still alive, it would behoove you to get in touch with us immediately.

Thank you.

KB, KB, KB is this the place to be?
lol@ ole fatboys, circa 1985

KB we have some chattin to do

I'll see ya on the west siiiii eeeede

DUke

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 01:03 AM

Also it's important to note-
I can only get people to look at your product and sign up
The rest is completely up to the program owner-

There is an old saying in sales-
You can overcome the price, value, selection, color, quantity etc-

But you can NEVER overcome one essential objection
and that is
" I tried it once, and it didn't work"

You will never convince that kind of person that he or she should try it again-
A person's paradigm is formed based upon initial dealings and experience with a company or product

If that company is not reputable or underperforms- it's not my fault-

I can lead horses to water-
but your water better taste good
:-))

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

KB, KB, KB is this the place to be?
lol@ ole fatboys, circa 1985

KB we have some chattin to do

I'll see ya on the west siiiii eeeede

DUke

HOLLA AT YOUR BOY
I am sitting and waiting for your call-
And starting to compile a waiting list of sorts
:-))

It's not a bad thing-
one door closes and another one opens

Man I am full of cliches tonight

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 01:06 AM

I also wish to apolgize to Danza for printing a private ICQ convo
However it was waiting for me at the end of a grueling day at the tradeshow and dinner at the HOMEGROWN HOUSE- after two long days in SF in meetings doing REAL BUSINESS for real Venture Capitalists

It also irked me to no end-
How else can I get his attention?

I think GFY helped me to communicate a little more effectively with Danza wouldn't you agree?

xclusive · 06-12-2005, 01:09 AM

KB that totally sucks just the way you defended him when he wouldn't talk for himself is worth the 3k as you went to bat for him hard. I hope that you get the cash owed to you in full as the deal stipulated. Sad to see this happen like this as danzas site had a lot of potentilal.

JOKER · 06-12-2005, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

I think GFY helped me to communicate a little more effectively with Danza wouldn't you agree?

Not really.

Care to answer my post, or you want to avoid it for a reason?

Thanx

xclusive · 06-12-2005, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

I also wish to apolgize to Danza for printing a private ICQ convo
However it was waiting for me at the end of a grueling day at the tradeshow and dinner at the HOMEGROWN HOUSE- after two long days in SF in meetings doing REAL BUSINESS for real Venture Capitalists

It also irked me to no end-
How else can I get his attention?

I think GFY helped me to communicate a little more effectively with Danza wouldn't you agree?

he wouldn't answer you man I don't see how you had any other choice as GFY is a strong tool if used for the good.

DWB · 06-12-2005, 01:14 AM

That's too bad it had endup this way. I hate seeing anyone getting shorted money they have been promised.

makefuckingmoney · 06-12-2005, 01:15 AM

i have been manning the tables at the palms for the last 3 days..

no sign of danza or anyone with a mohawk..

i did play blackjack with maroon 5, but i forgot to ask them if they knew danza..

makefuckingmoney · 06-12-2005, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradShaw

This thread is useless without this pic:

Sorry I am late with it, out in the motorhome enjoying nature.

but this isnt accurate..none of the stats that got posted were..

i still think he is doing 300 joins a day

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOKEREMPIRE

To get this correct I am missing something...

What was your exact verbal agreement?

And why do you post his ICQ here and don't solve this in private, as he contacted you in private as well.Considering the fact you promised him large refs and your 5 refs you brought in made $0.00 so far, I can understand Danza and actually think the 20% until he has seen some results are a fair offer.

Just curious...

If you don't want to explain here, ICQ is in my sig.

S.-

What was your exact verbal agreement?

>>>$3,000 a month for Public Relations and Marketing
plus my 10% override on affiliates

Considering the fact you promised him large refs and your 5 refs you brought in made $0.00 so far, I can understand Danza and actually think the 20% until he has seen some results are a fair offer.

>>>I didn't even begin to start promoting him via phone calls and mass emails to my contacts.

And why do you post his ICQ here and don't solve this in private, as he contacted you in private as well.Considering the fact you promised him large refs and your 5 refs you brought in made $0.00 so far, I can understand Danza and actually think the 20% until he has seen some results are a fair offer.

>>>>I never promised huge amounts of refs I never guarantee any numbers with any client and they know this going in - this is his cop out.
and how else do you get someone to respond to you after days of trying to communicate and no responses to phone calls or ICQ's

I know he has been at a mutual friends house this wek as well as wired someone partial payment from a bank- which requires being up and about.
If he was seriously injured which now I have my doubts about, then how is it he can galivant all over Vegas and not return my call?

JOKER · 06-12-2005, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

That's too bad it had endup this way. I hate seeing anyone getting shorted money they have been promised.

Doesnt everybody.

Same goes for undelivered services that have been promised

Aint that the truth.

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makefuckingmoney

but this isnt accurate..none of the stats that got posted were..

i still think he is doing 300 joins a day

You are too funny man-
Thanks for the laugh tonight it ended a night filled with many great laughs...

I watched an orgy tonight take place in front of my eyes literally within two mins-
AND I WAS A FOOL FOR NOT JUMPING IN

Fun time tonight though :-))

JOKER · 06-12-2005, 01:36 AM

>>>$3,000 a month for Public Relations and Marketing
plus my 10% override on affiliates

Upfront, or after your services have started / made him $ ?

>>>I didn't even begin to start promoting him via phone calls and mass emails to my contacts.

When would that be done, after your first payment?

>>>>I never promised huge amounts of refs I never guarantee any numbers with any client and they know this going in - this is his cop out.
and how else do you get someone to respond to you after days of trying to communicate and no responses to phone calls or ICQ's

So you never talked about big guys and mass sales?
----
He did respond to you today on ICQ privately, didnt he, why not answer and handle it private as well, explaining your marketing strategy like you did here?
Might have helped.

I know he has been at a mutual friends house this wek as well as wired someone partial payment from a bank- which requires being up and about.
If he was seriously injured which now I have my doubts about, then how is it he can galivant all over Vegas and not return my call?

I'd call it priorities. Your mutual friend could have told you if he was injured or not, then you would have no doubts now, correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh and wires *could* be done online / via phone, depeding on your bank, again - correct me if I'm wrong.

Overall, I have to say, this could have been handled more wise after his response to you.
If Danza owes you money that he has gotten the service for, he will pay you, no doubt.

All I can recommend to both of you guys is: Talk in private and solve it right there.

This "drama" here will likely not get you your money and him his service.

My

3piece chicken Dinner · 06-12-2005, 01:36 AM

KB,

I am sorry to see things turn this way. A well known promoter once said,

"I believe Dean Martin in his later years would get in a suit and tie and go to the Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset and sit there and drink coffee and smoke cigarrettes all day

Then again he was Alzheimer ridden and clinically insane"

Guess this means you don't always have to wear a suit to lose your mind.

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 01:44 AM

My money was supposed to be up front-
there were no guarantees discussed, period.

I was to get half of my money last wed it was supposed to be sent out- it never came-
I worked in Good Faith handling some "spin control" and still feel as though I was left in the dark

I realize that it's not the best way of collecting money- however what else could I do?

In a perfect world, Danza pays my brother for his Players Ball sponsorship first and foremost-
Second, He pays me for the two weeks worth of work that I attempted without very much luck in communication with him made it virtually impossible.

He then apologizes for not getting back to me- we fix his problems with his sites retention and get him more set up like a real business ( one that call sback it's employees and affiliates) get affilaites signing up for his program and he remains a client of mine with realistic, targeted goals and expectations. and pays me in full on the 1st of every month-

If that doesn't happen - I chalk this up as another learning experience and never commence any work until payment is made in full-

People I am as nice as they come and do a lot of favors for a lot of people- I don't get fucked a lot , but when I do, I don't take it lightly

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

KB,

I am sorry to see things turn this way. A well known promoter once said,

"I believe Dean Martin in his later years would get in a suit and tie and go to the Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset and sit there and drink coffee and smoke cigarrettes all day

Then again he was Alzheimer ridden and clinically insane"

Guess this means you don't always have to wear a suit to lose your mind.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You liked that huh?
Whatever happend to the Andreas thread I need to go check it out again-

You crack me up three piece!

JOKER · 06-12-2005, 01:49 AM

Sounds better.

Hope both of you get this resolved to both parties satisfaction, after all this is a business and no soap-opera

All the best,

Steve

Rui · 06-12-2005, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brand0n

is it true that your efforts so far have resulted in 0.00 his way?
are you saying that he would have had much better results if he would have paid upfront?

wouldnt be the first time it would happen...sounds like a great deal $3k for 0.00 in revenue

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOKEREMPIRE

Sounds better.

Hope both of you get this resolved to both parties satisfaction, after all this is a business and no soap-opera

All the best,

Steve

Thanks
And I appreciate you asking good questions-
I hope I gave you good enough answers.

TheGoldenChild · 06-12-2005, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rui

wouldnt be the first time it would happen...sounds like a great deal $3k for 0.00 in revenue

Rui-

Learn how to read- he paid me NOTHING
he got a press release and I had his back

It could have been a useful thing for him- now it will be more useful for others...

Rui · 06-12-2005, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

Rui-

Learn how to read- he paid me NOTHING
he got a press release and I had his back

It could have been a useful thing for him- now it will be more useful for others...

Excuse me if I don't get it rigth, but during that first period that he is suposed to pay $3k for you still didn't did much else except defend him on that whole stats ordeal (blind defense which not always is good for the person defending - in this case you), the press release plus 5 affiliates that didn't generate any revenue?

BTW I actualy do find your 3 month-work-plan good, but tell me something for how much time did you worked for MensNiche?

Offtopic: What happened to JoeBucks (I mean you "repping" for them)?

pradaboy · 06-12-2005, 03:06 AM

damn I have to get a rep job man... expecting $3K/month for posting a press release! Not too shabby

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-12-2005, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makefuckingmoney

but this isnt accurate..none of the stats that got posted were..

i still think he is doing 300 joins a day

Why would a guy supposedly pulling down thousands of dollars a day in sign-ups (and possibly much more in rebills) need to stiff an employee/contractor for what amounts to a half day of income for the sponsor program (if your numbers are accurate)?

Besides, even if Danza has a dispute with KB, why should that preclude him from living up to his sponsorship commitment to the Player's Ball?

Danzabucks is still listed and linked as a sponsor on the Player's Ball web site, so Danza is enjoying all of the benefits of being a big shot sponsor, yet he purportedly has not made good on his pledge of support (assuming there was one).

BTW, I haven't seen it mentioned yet how much Danza was expected to pay in order to be listed as a sponsor.

I'm sure the Player's Ball will still be off the hook, although it's too bad if the other sponsors have to pick up Danza's tab, especially after he benefited from being listed as a sponsor.

I've attended a few Player's Ball events over the years and the entertainment has always been first rate and the house is always packed.

Wish I could be there...

ADG Webmaster

JFK · 06-12-2005, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

Also it's important to note-
I can only get people to look at your product and sign up
The rest is completely up to the program owner-

There is an old saying in sales-
You can overcome the price, value, selection, color, quantity etc-

But you can NEVER overcome one essential objection
and that is
" I tried it once, and it didn't work"

You will never convince that kind of person that he or she should try it again-
A person's paradigm is formed based upon initial dealings and experience with a company or product

If that company is not reputable or underperforms- it's not my fault-

I can lead horses to water-
but your water better taste good
:-))

I tend to agree with you there KB , You can place a huge magazine ad and introduce people to a certain product,but You cant force those people to buy.At least he was given corporate recognition, after this I wonder how many people will bother to do business with him. You should honour your verbal comitments. Business is not what it was a few years ago, all the programs are after a limited # of webmasters for trafic. It will not happen overnite, as much as we might all wish

stev0 · 06-12-2005, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

Out of curiosity... why do you watermark every picture you post?

Joesho · 06-12-2005, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOKEREMPIRE

To get this correct I am missing something...

What was your exact verbal agreement?

Considering the fact you promised him large refs and your 5 refs you brought in made $0.00 so far, I can understand Danza and actually think the 20% until he has seen some results are a fair offer.

And why do you post his ICQ here and don't solve this in private, as he contacted you in private as well.

Just curious...

If you don't want to explain here, ICQ is in my sig.

S.-

You ever gonna deliver the traffic we paid for ? or refund us our 500 bucks you stole last year?

until then your opinion means shit!
you do not live up to your side of an agreement ( at least you did not then)

Maybe now you have someone backing you , liked you claimed Yishai was back then. I do not know

However you still owe us $500.00

if you are making such good coin now in your traffic sales, why do you still not pay us the money you owe us?

is that your way of getting even with us for calling you a thief when YOU did not pay?

Joesho · 06-12-2005, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOKEREMPIRE

Doesnt everybody.

Same goes for undelivered services that have been promised

Aint that the truth.

YOU of all people should talk about that LOL LOL LOL

I still am waiting on you to pay us the $500.00 you STOLE FROM US LAST YEAR WHEN YOU WERE BROKE AND COULD NOT DELIVER ON YOUR PROMISE

xxxdesign-net · 06-12-2005, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stev0

Out of curiosity... why do you watermark every picture you post?

Hey, he did spend time to find the pic on Google..

Pipecrew · 06-12-2005, 04:30 PM

kb, this seems to be a recurring theme with companies calling you out and saying you dont produce results, I think you should develop a skills set in something other then "marketting" or get into another industry.

chadglni · 06-12-2005, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

kb, this seems to be a recurring theme with companies calling you out and saying you dont produce results, I think you should develop a skills set in something other then "marketting" or get into another industry.

Ouch....

Pipecrew · 06-12-2005, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni

Ouch....

I was'nt trying to be mean, I'am sure he's a great guy and lots of people like him, but this is more like a reality check, if you have been around GFY for a while, he has been called out soo many times on this stuff, Time to Move On.

bigdog · 06-12-2005, 05:16 PM

3k should be jump change for danza if he is doing a couple hundred joins a day

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-12-2005, 05:24 PM

I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict this thread goes to 5 pages.

Still haven't heard how much the sponsorship deal was supposed to have cost, nor if Danza intends to make good on that at least.

ADG Webmaster

Pornwolf · 06-12-2005, 05:29 PM

There's nothing like Convention Week drama.

Va2k · 06-12-2005, 05:35 PM

ooooouch Good luck KB

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	KBizzle seems like quite a hustler (I mean that in the good way), and so I feel sorry for him if Danza is stiffing him for money. Likewise, Danza will be letting everyone in San Diego down if he fails to come through on his sponsorship pledge. They may have to change the entertainment from "Half-Pint" to Quarter Pounder, and Tone Loc to no luck. I guess it's not too late. Danza can make it all good by settling his debts and then ride his bike up on stage at the Player's Ball. Despite all of the goofing on my posts in this thread, I do hope everything works out fine for all concerned. ADG Webmaster __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

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06-12-2005, 12:40 AM	#157
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	So I have heard from Danza... And here is what he says in a nutshell- you there bro Danza (06:09 PM) : "KB, listen... you've been supposed to get me affiliates that generate steady income, you promised me big guys. Until today you have 5 affiliates that made exactly $0.00 in revenue. How do you see me paying your $3k monthly if you do not deliver your part of the deal. At this point I don't see what I should pay you for. Hereby I offer you 20% of all affiliates you bring on board, when I see you do good work,we can always negotiate your $3k a month plus 10% from your affiliates, until then the 20% stand as my offer. I am not trying to be a dick bro.. I have always thought your cool and this is buisness not as friends know what I mean" Now why on earth would I send my trusted contacts and clients over to a person who cannot answer my calls? I did something here that I have never done before- I started work in good faith that we'd consummate a great working relationship together- I ws told a check would be sent out for half of my monthly fee last wednesday to date no check- I think I stuck my neck out pretty good and tried to protect Danza from his negative jabs he was receiving on this board- This is what he tells me- I am supposed to send him joins when he hasn't paid me? Come on Danza, let's be real here for a minute. Why would I bend over backwards and continue to solicit affiliates when some of your affiliates were hounding me for your late payments already? Danza this is ludicrous and what you call a clear case of someone renegging on a verbal agreement, and not living up to what you said to me in our discussions. I feel as though you really put me in a bad situation here- and I know from the amount of people asking about what's up with Danza today at the tradeshow- __________________

06-12-2005, 12:45 AM	#158
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	and those five affiliates that signed up for DANZABUCKS signed up while I was defending you that day on GFY- It is IN NO WAY A MEASURE OF MY ROLODEX - My rolodex is reserved for paying customers __________________

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brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	is it true that your efforts so far have resulted in 0.00 his way? are you saying that he would have had much better results if he would have paid upfront? __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

06-12-2005, 12:50 AM	#160
JOKER Facit Omnia Voluntas Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Offshore Posts: 2,105	To get this correct I am missing something... What was your exact verbal agreement? Considering the fact you promised him large refs and your 5 refs you brought in made $0.00 so far, I can understand Danza and actually think the 20% until he has seen some results are a fair offer. And why do you post his ICQ here and don't solve this in private, as he contacted you in private as well. Just curious... If you don't want to explain here, ICQ is in my sig. S.- __________________ Facilitation - BizDev - Traffic - Consulting - Marketing Skype: jokerempire \| Silent Circle: joker

06-12-2005, 12:52 AM	#161
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	KB, I think it speaks volumes that Danza hasn't said "peep" here at GFY on this issue. Anyone with a small degree of marketing acumen know that it typically takes sometimes months to ramp up a marketing program. It's not about instant gratification, it's about long-term success. If Danza made a deal with you, then he should pay according to the deal that you agreed upon. If he wanted certain pay criteria, he should have stated so up front, not after the fact. I know you're reading this Danza. What do you have to say, considering that your credibility is being cut to shreds? ADG Webmaster __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

06-12-2005, 12:57 AM	#163
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	So basically Danza thought KB would drop tons of money into his pocked and get $3000 a month in return and when it didn't happen he hid and decided to change the deal. If he was wanting a % deal to start with he could have offered that or agreed to that initially. Say hey KB how about I give you this much of every $ that you send me through an affiliate of yours. So I can't understand either guys position. KB backed a guy with all the drama saying how he was throwing down big money at the casinos and all this and that without ever knowing it was happening and Danza is trying to bullshit his way out of a deal. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

06-12-2005, 01:03 AM	#166
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	Also it's important to note- I can only get people to look at your product and sign up The rest is completely up to the program owner- There is an old saying in sales- You can overcome the price, value, selection, color, quantity etc- But you can NEVER overcome one essential objection and that is " I tried it once, and it didn't work" You will never convince that kind of person that he or she should try it again- A person's paradigm is formed based upon initial dealings and experience with a company or product If that company is not reputable or underperforms- it's not my fault- I can lead horses to water- but your water better taste good :-)) __________________

06-12-2005, 01:06 AM	#168
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	I also wish to apolgize to Danza for printing a private ICQ convo However it was waiting for me at the end of a grueling day at the tradeshow and dinner at the HOMEGROWN HOUSE- after two long days in SF in meetings doing REAL BUSINESS for real Venture Capitalists It also irked me to no end- How else can I get his attention? I think GFY helped me to communicate a little more effectively with Danza wouldn't you agree? __________________ Last edited by TheGoldenChild; 06-12-2005 at 01:08 AM..

06-12-2005, 01:09 AM	#169
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	KB that totally sucks just the way you defended him when he wouldn't talk for himself is worth the 3k as you went to bat for him hard. I hope that you get the cash owed to you in full as the deal stipulated. Sad to see this happen like this as danzas site had a lot of potentilal. __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

06-12-2005, 01:14 AM	#172
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	That's too bad it had endup this way. I hate seeing anyone getting shorted money they have been promised.

06-12-2005, 01:15 AM	#173
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	i have been manning the tables at the palms for the last 3 days.. no sign of danza or anyone with a mohawk.. i did play blackjack with maroon 5, but i forgot to ask them if they knew danza..

06-12-2005, 01:36 AM	#178
JOKER Facit Omnia Voluntas Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Offshore Posts: 2,105	>>>$3,000 a month for Public Relations and Marketing plus my 10% override on affiliates Upfront, or after your services have started / made him $ ? >>>I didn't even begin to start promoting him via phone calls and mass emails to my contacts. When would that be done, after your first payment? >>>>I never promised huge amounts of refs I never guarantee any numbers with any client and they know this going in - this is his cop out. and how else do you get someone to respond to you after days of trying to communicate and no responses to phone calls or ICQ's So you never talked about big guys and mass sales? ---- He did respond to you today on ICQ privately, didnt he, why not answer and handle it private as well, explaining your marketing strategy like you did here? Might have helped. I know he has been at a mutual friends house this wek as well as wired someone partial payment from a bank- which requires being up and about. If he was seriously injured which now I have my doubts about, then how is it he can galivant all over Vegas and not return my call? I'd call it priorities. Your mutual friend could have told you if he was injured or not, then you would have no doubts now, correct me if I'm wrong. Oh and wires could be done online / via phone, depeding on your bank, again - correct me if I'm wrong. Overall, I have to say, this could have been handled more wise after his response to you. If Danza owes you money that he has gotten the service for, he will pay you, no doubt. All I can recommend to both of you guys is: Talk in private and solve it right there. This "drama" here will likely not get you your money and him his service. My __________________ Facilitation - BizDev - Traffic - Consulting - Marketing Skype: jokerempire \| Silent Circle: joker

06-12-2005, 01:36 AM	#179
3piece chicken Dinner Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: On your plate Posts: 1,065	KB, I am sorry to see things turn this way. A well known promoter once said, "I believe Dean Martin in his later years would get in a suit and tie and go to the Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset and sit there and drink coffee and smoke cigarrettes all day Then again he was Alzheimer ridden and clinically insane" Guess this means you don't always have to wear a suit to lose your mind.

06-12-2005, 01:44 AM	#180
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	My money was supposed to be up front- there were no guarantees discussed, period. I was to get half of my money last wed it was supposed to be sent out- it never came- I worked in Good Faith handling some "spin control" and still feel as though I was left in the dark I realize that it's not the best way of collecting money- however what else could I do? In a perfect world, Danza pays my brother for his Players Ball sponsorship first and foremost- Second, He pays me for the two weeks worth of work that I attempted without very much luck in communication with him made it virtually impossible. He then apologizes for not getting back to me- we fix his problems with his sites retention and get him more set up like a real business ( one that call sback it's employees and affiliates) get affilaites signing up for his program and he remains a client of mine with realistic, targeted goals and expectations. and pays me in full on the 1st of every month- If that doesn't happen - I chalk this up as another learning experience and never commence any work until payment is made in full- People I am as nice as they come and do a lot of favors for a lot of people- I don't get fucked a lot , but when I do, I don't take it lightly __________________

06-12-2005, 01:49 AM	#182
JOKER Facit Omnia Voluntas Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Offshore Posts: 2,105	Sounds better. Hope both of you get this resolved to both parties satisfaction, after all this is a business and no soap-opera All the best, Steve __________________ Facilitation - BizDev - Traffic - Consulting - Marketing Skype: jokerempire \| Silent Circle: joker

06-12-2005, 03:06 AM	#187
pradaboy sell me your banners Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: on the tubes Posts: 12,931	damn I have to get a rep job man... expecting $3K/month for posting a press release! Not too shabby __________________ Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic! FREE to register domains... Better than 99% of the crap sold here!

06-12-2005, 04:30 PM	#194
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	kb, this seems to be a recurring theme with companies calling you out and saying you dont produce results, I think you should develop a skills set in something other then "marketting" or get into another industry.

06-12-2005, 05:16 PM	#197
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	3k should be jump change for danza if he is doing a couple hundred joins a day

06-12-2005, 05:24 PM	#198
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict this thread goes to 5 pages. Still haven't heard how much the sponsorship deal was supposed to have cost, nor if Danza intends to make good on that at least. ADG Webmaster __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare) Last edited by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude; 06-12-2005 at 05:25 PM..

06-12-2005, 05:29 PM	#199
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	There's nothing like Convention Week drama. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

06-12-2005, 05:35 PM	#200
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	ooooouch Good luck KB __________________