Sponsors: time to build your own traffic?

[DamageX]

Seems to me that sponsors are going through a lot of hassle just to comply AND help their affiliates comply. Not to mention the heat they're taking over this from their own and others' affiliates.

So, isn't it about time you guys built your own traffic and lost the hassle of dealing with every damn whining affiliate? Think about it, have a bunch of people on your staff, building TGP's/MGP's/galleries/free sites, only for you. You wouldn't have to rely on affiliates to get your signups. You'd no longer have to spend money on hosted galleries and free hosting to please them whining bitches. Spend that money on getting your own traffic instead. No more affiliate payouts, money goes straight into your pocket. Have ten people each grow you a 50-100K/day TGP every month, plus each make galleries and cross-post them on your entire network. Wouldn't that be a lot more profitable for you?

So, let's have a raise of hands here, who's interested in this? I might be able to provide you with a solution for the abovementioned, from training your existing staff to actual staffing.

[Alex]

Holy shit. You mean like outsourcing??? Jesus, why hasnt anyone ever thought of this sooner.

[Harmon]

Looks like your Comus Thumbs, build a 100,000 traded TGP in a month for a grand or whatever the fuck you charge thing is going south huh bro?

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Alex

Holy shit. You mean like outsourcing??? Jesus, why hasnt anyone ever thought of this sooner.

Not necessarily outsourcing, but that can be done too. Let's see what results you'll get from outsourcing 10 sites/mo being grown to any of the outsourcing companies. Let's see the quality of the designs and galleries they produce. How much are you willing to bet that it ain't gonna come out as planned?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by DamageX

Not necessarily outsourcing, but that can be done too. Let's see what results you'll get from outsourcing 10 sites/mo being grown to any of the outsourcing companies. Let's see the quality of the designs and galleries they produce. How much are you willing to bet that it ain't gonna come out as planned?

It is outsourcing, its hiring hired labor that arent acutally part of staff and payroll to work for you. Thats called outsourcing.

When people hire you to grow tgps, they are outsourcing. WHen you hire a designer for a project, you are outsourcing.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Looks like your Comus Thumbs, build a 100,000 traded TGP in a month for a grand or whatever the fuck you charge thing is going south huh bro?

Well, not really, our waiting list is over six months long at this point and I'd expect it to grow even longer, as many non-US webmasters would see the benefit of having a thumb preview TGP, while US webmasters would flock to have text sites grown. But hey, thanks for bumping.

[tradermcduck]

This has been done before ...

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Alex

It is outsourcing, its hiring hired labor that arent acutally part of staff and payroll to work for you. Thats called outsourcing.

When people hire you to grow tgps, they are outsourcing. WHen you hire a designer for a project, you are outsourcing.

In-house staff isn't outsourcing, but whatever floats your boat, my good man.

[xxxice]

Interesting

[DateDoc]

How can you take peoples money to build MGPs, which you are very good at (if not the best in the business), then try to pose a method for a sponsor to cut out it's affiliates. These affilaites are the ones you have lined up to pay you for MGPs. That sure does not sound like good business to me.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by DamageX

In-house staff isn't outsourcing, but whatever floats your boat, my good man.

Didn't i just fucking say that in-house staff isnt outsourcing? Fuck you repeat what i said and use that as a point agaisnt me? Im confused?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

How can you take peoples money to build MGPs, which you are very good at (if not the best in the business), then try to pose a method for a sponsor to cut out it's affiliates. These affilaites are the ones you have lined up to pay you for MGPs. That sure does not sound like good business to me.

Hate to say it, but an affiliate program and order 10 tgps, while one affiliate orders 1.

Its more profitable having large programs as clients.

[DateDoc]

Originally Posted by Alex

Hate to say it, but an affiliate program and order 10 tgps, while one affiliate orders 1.

Its more profitable having large programs as clients.

I'm not questioning whether it will make more money or not but to essentially call his clients whining bitches on the board is not a very good move in my opinion.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Alex

Didn't i just fucking say that in-house staff isnt outsourcing? Fuck you repeat what i said and use that as a point agaisnt me? Im confused?

Seems you were born that way.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

I'm not questioning whether it will make more money or not but to essentially call his clients whining bitches on the board is not a very good move in my opinion.

Like i said.

If he can land five programs that take him on 10 tgps. I think he can blow off a few possible small fry clients.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by DamageX

Seems you were born that way.

Fuck happened man? I thought we were having an intellectual debate?

Sucks that you dropped to insults.

[adonthenet]

thats an idea.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

How can you take peoples money to build MGPs, which you are very good at (if not the best in the business), then try to pose a method for a sponsor to cut out it's affiliates. These affilaites are the ones you have lined up to pay you for MGPs. That sure does not sound like good business to me.

I'm not cutting them out. They should start their own paysites to feed them traffic, or find sponsors who won't drop affiliates. At this point, it doesn't look as if any sponsor will do this, but in the future, they just might, with or without my influence.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Alex

Fuck happened man? I thought we were having an intellectual debate?

Sucks that you dropped to insults.

Intelectual ends when you start cursing.

[DateDoc]

Originally Posted by DamageX

I'm not cutting them out. They should start their own paysites to feed them traffic, or find sponsors who won't drop affiliates. At this point, it doesn't look as if any sponsor will do this, but in the future, they just might, with or without my influence.

You are very good at what you do and far be it from me to stifle your thoughts that grow your business but this would have probably been served better if it was presented directly to a sponsor than here on the board. That being said it is your business to do with as you wish.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by DamageX

Intelectual ends when you start cursing.

No, they end when you make circular statements. Like the ones you have made.


Alex: Inhourse workers arent oursourcing

Damagex: No alex, you are wrong. Inhourse workers, ARENT outsourcing.

Thats going to get us far.

[BigK]

Your idea is very limited. with a good affiliate program you have hundreds of webmasters promoting your sites. and they only get paid when they produce. Your in house staff will require a paycheck. whether they produce or not.

There is a good reason why affiliate programs work.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Alex

No, they end when you make circular statements. Like the ones you have made.


Alex: Inhourse workers arent oursourcing

Damagex: No alex, you are wrong. Inhourse workers, ARENT outsourcing.

Thats going to get us far.

Damn, you're persistent.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by BigK

Your idea is very limited. with a good affiliate program you have hundreds of webmasters promoting your sites. and they only get paid when they produce. Your in house staff will require a paycheck. whether they produce or not.

There is a good reason why affiliate programs work.

There's also a good reason why my idea would work well. Of course staff would require a paycheck, but that check would bring you a bigger profit at the end of the day, provided your people knew what they were doing.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by DamageX

Damn, you're persistent.

Really am. There are only a handful of people that i can disagree wiht, and aruge without calling someone an idiot and shit.

Funny thing is, you are still one of them

Im out of this thread, allowing you to keep it to gain more business. Good luck.

[Major (Tom)]

i really think 2257 will open up more oppurtunities for program owners.

Duke

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Alex

Really am. There are only a handful of people that i can disagree wiht, and aruge without calling someone an idiot and shit.

Funny thing is, you are still one of them

Im out of this thread, allowing you to keep it to gain more business. Good luck.

Damn, now I pissed off the only person who'd bump this thread. Crap.

[pr0]

"TGP/MGP/Paysite designs that get you RESULTS!!"

If you knew so fucking much...i doubt you'd be designing tgp's for beer $

[bhutocracy]

Most affiliate programs have been looking into their own traffic sources for quite some time now.

[aaron]

good ol gfy.

[pr0]

The fact is having affiliates is a huge moneymaker & all the big programs will be complying. Unless their getting prepared to retire, or are comfortable & don't feel like dealing with the work.

[BigK]

Your idea would be good for a small company with a few sites to work with. an in house staff just couldnt do the quantity that a hundred affiliates do. and although you may not have to payout 50% of the profits to an affiliate, you would however have to pay as i mentioned before wages for your staff, increased hosting costs, more domain names cost, promotion costs. all of these costs the affiliates pay for to get the sale.

I think your time would be better served trying to get buisnesss from affiliates there is definatly more affiliates than there are sponsors. and sale is a sale reguardless if its an affiliate or a paysite owner. you can build 10 sites for the one paysite owner that wants to do it your way. or you can build 100 for affiliates to promote the paysites who like not having to manage dozens of tgp's on top of all their paysite stuff.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by BigK

Your idea would be good for a small company with a few sites to work with. an in house staff just couldnt do the quantity that a hundred affiliates do. and although you may not have to payout 50% of the profits to an affiliate, you would however have to pay as i mentioned before wages for your staff, increased hosting costs, more domain names cost, promotion costs. all of these costs the affiliates pay for to get the sale.

I think your time would be better served trying to get buisnesss from affiliates there is definatly more affiliates than there are sponsors. and sale is a sale reguardless if its an affiliate or a paysite owner. you can build 10 sites for the one paysite owner that wants to do it your way. or you can build 100 for affiliates to promote the paysites who like not having to manage dozens of tgp's on top of all their paysite stuff.

You should be doing both.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by pr0

"TGP/MGP/Paysite designs that get you RESULTS!!"

If you knew so fucking much...i doubt you'd be designing tgp's for beer $

A TGP/MGP design is $300. Might be beer money to you, but among the shitloads of "get your TGP design for $65" designers, I'd say that would clearly put our designs in the premium segment.

On a second note, the design site was only launched because I have way too much to do growing sites, so people could get a little help to starting their own sites.

Originally Posted by BigK

I think your time would be better served trying to get buisnesss from affiliates there is definatly more affiliates than there are sponsors. and sale is a sale reguardless if its an affiliate or a paysite owner. you can build 10 sites for the one paysite owner that wants to do it your way. or you can build 100 for affiliates to promote the paysites who like not having to manage dozens of tgp's on top of all their paysite stuff.

I didn't post this thread so that I could get more business growing sites for sponsors. As I've already stated, I have more than enough orders for growing sites. I posted this so I could try assessing the interest among sponsors for building their own traffic, then see what I can put together to cater to that market.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Alex

No, they end when you make circular statements. Like the ones you have made.


Alex: Inhourse workers arent oursourcing

Damagex: No alex, you are wrong. Inhourse workers, ARENT outsourcing.

Thats going to get us far.

Since one of the things I hate the most is when someone refuses to admit he's wrong, I just re-read your posts. It seems I was wrong, I initially didn't notice that you had, in fact, posted about in-house staff not being outsourcing. I apologize, you were right and I was making an argument out of something that wasn't correct.

[Theo]

i'ts time

any top sponsor with several niches, $50k-100k/month adv budget that wants to get in to volume PPC purchases can mail me

[BigK]

There is definatly a market there.. but i dont think the market would include outing their affiliates. But there is definatly a market with paysite owners building their own stuff.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

i'ts time

any top sponsor with several niches, $50k-100k/month adv budget that wants to get in to volume PPC purchases can mail me

Now that's what I call an interesting thread hijack.

[Theo]

sorry bro, early wake up call :/

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by BigK

There is definatly a market there.. but i dont think the market would include outing their affiliates. But there is definatly a market with paysite owners building their own stuff.

I honestly don't think sponsors with lots of affiliates would drop them, that would be plain stupid. If you already have an infrastructure for a business model based on affiliates, not using it for further business would be an utterly stupid thing to do.

However, aside from that, say invest $50-100K once, then add some monthly paychecks to that, plus some hosting and feeder traffic, and you'll have enough base to make back that money in a couple of months, afterwards making an increasing monthly profit.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

sorry bro, early wake up call :/

Early for you maybe, I've been awake for three hours... Wife woke me up when she got up for work.

[V_RocKs]

I know of a lot of affiliates who make over $3000 a day. I know of even more who make over $1000 a day. I know of a lot of them who make that much for single programs from traffic sources that would take a very long time and a very large staff to establish.

Looking at a few examples, Lightspeeds top 100. $50,000 a month the Lightspeed organization would lose tomorrow if they went to your solution and then waiting for you to actually build the traffic generating this cash.

Or take a smaller fish like Glamcash, They'd be out $15,000 a month in the top 10 alone. To someone there size it'd be a major fuck up.

Now take a large program like Nasty Dollars... They would lose as much as $10,000 to $20,000 a DAY.

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by DamageX

I honestly don't think sponsors with lots of affiliates would drop them, that would be plain stupid. If you already have an infrastructure for a business model based on affiliates, not using it for further business would be an utterly stupid thing to do.

However, aside from that, say invest $50-100K once, then add some monthly paychecks to that, plus some hosting and feeder traffic, and you'll have enough base to make back that money in a couple of months, afterwards making an increasing monthly profit.

#1. No sponsor without a need for affiliates can pay $50 - 100K all at once.
#2. What feeder traffic? Without affiliates and their sites, free, tgp, 404'd, etc, traffic would be GOOGLE, YAHOO and MSN only.

[TDF]

i thought most sponsors already drive traffic inhouse?

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

#1. No sponsor without a need for affiliates can pay $50 - 100K all at once.
#2. What feeder traffic? Without affiliates and their sites, free, tgp, 404'd, etc, traffic would be GOOGLE, YAHOO and MSN only.

#1. I meant ON THE SIDE.

#2. I thought you were smarter than this. Sorry.

[alan-l]

well, it's an idea. I'd say an OLD idea, but an idea anyway. There are quite a bunch of programs not taking affiliates, ours between those. And of course, we need to get traffic. Building a pro, reliable staff, whether it's inhouse or outsourced is very important, but just a part of it, unless you love to throw the traffic (money) to the bin

I don't know the details of your idea, however, if it's just build TGP or MGP, it won't work at all for certain programs. After all, all sponsors would be doing it if it was that easy. We had to experiment a lot, we spent (not invest: SPENT) some money to learn from our own mistakes and finally we're quite happy with what we got, but be warned: this is not for everyone. And it's absolutely non sense for big sponsors (1000+ affiliates plus some whales), it will only work for medium to small sponsors, and that provided they know what they're doing

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Looking at a few examples, Lightspeeds top 100. $50,000 a month the Lightspeed organization would lose tomorrow if they went to your solution and then waiting for you to actually build the traffic generating this cash.

You should REALLY take the time to read the entire thread...

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by DamageX

#2. I thought you were smarter than this. Sorry.

I guess I am not school me... I am sure you will say something like, from a traffic source, that is actually an aggrigator of traffic from other sources...

[alan-l]

Originally Posted by TDF

i thought most sponsors already drive traffic inhouse?

of course

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by alan-l

I don't know the details of your idea, however, if it's just build TGP or MGP, it won't work at all for certain programs. After all, all sponsors would be doing it if it was that easy. We had to experiment a lot, we spent (not invest: SPENT) some money to learn from our own mistakes and finally we're quite happy with what we got, but be warned: this is not for everyone. And it's absolutely non sense for big sponsors (1000+ affiliates plus some whales), it will only work for medium to small sponsors, and that provided they know what they're doing

There's no carved-in-stone idea behind this. However, again, I'm not fishing for site growing jobs, since that seems to be the common misunderstanding among people who reply. One solid part of the idea would be proper training for the staff. Anyone can have staff, hell, you can outsource if you can't find any near you. But to have SKILLED staff, that's a totally different story.