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alan-l · 06-06-2005, 11:38 PM

woj!

Nismo · 06-06-2005, 11:39 PM

Programs rely on innovative webmasters to bring traffic from all sorts of sources.

This will never change.

cyber_ninja · 06-06-2005, 11:40 PM

i agree with damagex

V_RocKs · 06-06-2005, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

You should REALLY take the time to read the entire thread...

And you should learn why Apple doesn't make its own processors... Or why GM buys car parts from other people... Or why the greese in bearings isn't made by the people who fabricated the bearings... Or why book publishers don't make the glue that holds the books together... Or why GFY doesn't just post its own ads... and everyother affiliate doesn't just create its own board... or...

DamageX · 06-06-2005, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I guess I am not school me... I am sure you will say something like, from a traffic source, that is actually an aggrigator of traffic from other sources...

You're psychic, aren't you?

Anyway, you mentioned affiliates, all types of adult sites, 404 traffic and search engines. You omitted purchased traffic, which I was referring to in the first place.

mrthumbs · 06-06-2005, 11:45 PM

A staff member can never replace a motivated affiliate. Never.

And besides: im a fucking idiot.. nex to adwords i wouldnt have a clue where to pull traffic from. Every project i have running is based on affiliates as its engine.

I would be lost!!

V_RocKs · 06-06-2005, 11:46 PM

Right, and where do you think purchased traffic comes from? It is aggrigated from the afformentioned places I specified.

DamageX · 06-06-2005, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

And you should learn why Apple doesn't make its own processors... Or why GM buys car parts from other people... Or why the greese in bearings isn't made by the people who fabricated the bearings... Or why book publishers don't make the glue that holds the books together... Or why GFY doesn't just post its own ads... and everyother affiliate doesn't just create its own board... or...

There's a graph that illustrates the advantages of producing in-house versus buying, versus outsourcing. I'll try locating it. Simply, it deals with an economy-of-scale concept. However, it applies to most manufacturing industries and not the online adult industry.

DamageX · 06-06-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Right, and where do you think purchased traffic comes from? It is aggrigated from the afformentioned places I specified.

See, I told you you were psychic.

Yes, it's aggregated from the abovementioned sources. You didn't get my point though, so I won't draw out this argument anymore.

Nismo · 06-06-2005, 11:58 PM

Affiliate programs were opened for 1 main reason: make money off of affiliates.

jovigirl · 06-07-2005, 12:02 AM

DamageX contact me
We would probably be interested

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Nismo

Affiliate programs were opened for 1 main reason: make money off of affiliates.

Damn, that makes so much sense... Wonder why I never figured this out until now?

Theo · 06-07-2005, 12:06 AM

lol

)))))))))))))

thewebgarage · 06-07-2005, 12:08 AM

bottom line is 2257 should have no affect on non-us webmasters. And there are plenty of very good affiliate programs out there that are also not US owned.

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jovigirl

DamageX contact me
We would probably be interested

You've got mail.

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Originally Posted by thewebgarage

bottom line is 2257 should have no affect on non-us webmasters. And there are plenty of very good affiliate programs out there that are also not US owned.

This is mere speculation. As well as it's speculation to think that non-US affiliate programs may well be shut out of selling to the US. This can go either way, so I'd say your safest bet, in order to keep selling porn to US customers, would be to comply.

V_RocKs · 06-07-2005, 12:58 AM

You didn't get my point... If you don't have affiliates, you don't have TGP's either... or other sources for aggrigating traffic. You think theHun.net is going to host over 3 million hits a day in bandwidth for free?

bhutocracy · 06-07-2005, 01:09 AM

affiliates are good.. inhouse people are good. Call me the fucking weaver but this either or argument is stupid... proggies aren't going to get rid of affiliates.. affiliates shouldn't make up 100% of your traffic. done.

taibo · 06-07-2005, 01:15 AM

see sig.

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

You didn't get my point... If you don't have affiliates, you don't have TGP's either...

Not necessarily. However, I think I may have given the wrong impression here, as advocating cutting affiliates loose altogether. Wasn't my intention, of course doing something like that would be utterly stupid, if your current business model is based on affiliates promoting your paysites.

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

affiliates are good.. inhouse people are good. Call me the fucking weaver but this either or argument is stupid... proggies aren't going to get rid of affiliates.. affiliates shouldn't make up 100% of your traffic. done.

Spot on.

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by taibo

see sig.

You got this whole sig spot thing all wrong. Bad sigwhore.

V_RocKs · 06-07-2005, 01:35 AM

I think I am finally starting to see your point.. And I agree with it in part. But I guess the underlying fact is that the market will shape itself. Currently most affiliate programs became affiliate programs because they didn't want to do what affiliates do or to escape out of being an affiliate.

Though, I guess with the power of suggesting, a lot of things can change. I am sure there are a lot of smaller spondors out there who'd like to increase their traffic flow and possibly even keep the affiliates around too.

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I think I am finally starting to see your point.. And I agree with it in part. But I guess the underlying fact is that the market will shape itself. Currently most affiliate programs became affiliate programs because they didn't want to do what affiliates do or to escape out of being an affiliate.

Though, I guess with the power of suggesting, a lot of things can change. I am sure there are a lot of smaller spondors out there who'd like to increase their traffic flow and possibly even keep the affiliates around too.

My point exactly. Lots of sponsors have, by now, quite a decent amount of freehosted galleries, either created by them as FHG's, or created by affiliates and freehosted by the sponsors themselves. Now, this would mean quite an amount of 404, which most sponsors sell to brokers or whatnot. Now, imagine you had a crew of 10 people, all working at shaping up trading sites, couldn't you put that 404 to better use?

One of the reasons why I think many sponsors have done this yet is because doing this would mean either taking time off from what they're currently doing (namely managing the business) and teaching staff how to grow sites (many sponsors have histories of TGP-ing and CJ-ing), or hiring staff who already knows what to do. Most people who already know what they're doing won't come cheap. Taking time off from managing the business to train staff might end them up with a higher alternative cost. Basically, people like sticking to what they do best and makes them most money.

What I'm thinking here is, has it ever occured to anyone that they could hire someone to train their staff?

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 03:07 AM

More opinions, please?

devilspost · 06-07-2005, 04:15 AM

You ever tried to train a bunch of lazy morons? Workers that call in sick, steal etc.. Fuck that LOL

devilspost · 06-07-2005, 04:20 AM

Oh I see, you would go in and do training seminars for a company get paid trying to teach thier workers how to get traffic?

Roald · 06-07-2005, 04:24 AM

aren't quite some programs doing this allready next to having regular affiliates?

Rui · 06-07-2005, 04:24 AM

This is a flawed idea, what makes you think that the people that get results done (mind you with several sponsors) would want to downgrade to a monthly paycheck for much less money...

Pete-KT · 06-07-2005, 04:29 AM

DamageX can you please contact me on icq

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by devilspost

You ever tried to train a bunch of lazy morons? Workers that call in sick, steal etc.. Fuck that LOL

Yes, I have.

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Originally Posted by Rui

This is a flawed idea, what makes you think that the people that get results done (mind you with several sponsors) would want to downgrade to a monthly paycheck for much less money...

Someone's starting to use them greys.

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Originally Posted by Rui

This is a flawed idea, what makes you think that the people that get results done (mind you with several sponsors) would want to downgrade to a monthly paycheck for much less money...

Who said anything about people downgrading? Hire new staff and train them to do a job and do it well.

Nicky · 06-07-2005, 04:33 AM

could work, but as an affiliate my self I rather not see it work

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete-KT

DamageX can you please contact me on icq

Pete, sorry, I no longer use ICQ. It got to the point where I could no longer get anything done due to it interfering with my work all the time. Shoot me an e-mail to damagex at damagex dot com or leave me your e-mail here and I'll contact you. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Mpegmaster · 06-07-2005, 04:40 AM

LOL what about the 6 months of orders you already have :P

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

could work, but as an affiliate my self I rather not see it work

Affiliate programs will never go away. They might just change shape, but they'll never go away altogether.

Rui · 06-07-2005, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Who said anything about people downgrading? Hire new staff and train them to do a job and do it well.

I was talking about hiring people that know what they are doing, don't tell me you actualy belive somebody "trained" can do as good as somebody with +5 years of experience...

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui

I was talking about hiring people that know what they are doing, don't tell me you actualy belive somebody "trained" can do as good as somebody with +5 years of experience...

There's no such thing as a stupid student, only stupid teachers whose methods stink.

Quotealex · 06-07-2005, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

My point exactly. Lots of sponsors have, by now, quite a decent amount of freehosted galleries, either created by them as FHG's, or created by affiliates and freehosted by the sponsors themselves. Now, this would mean quite an amount of 404, which most sponsors sell to brokers or whatnot. Now, imagine you had a crew of 10 people, all working at shaping up trading sites, couldn't you put that 404 to better use?

One of the reasons why I think many sponsors have done this yet is because doing this would mean either taking time off from what they're currently doing (namely managing the business) and teaching staff how to grow sites (many sponsors have histories of TGP-ing and CJ-ing), or hiring staff who already knows what to do. Most people who already know what they're doing won't come cheap. Taking time off from managing the business to train staff might end them up with a higher alternative cost. Basically, people like sticking to what they do best and makes them most money.

What I'm thinking here is, has it ever occured to anyone that they could hire someone to train their staff?

And once you train these staff, don't you think the good ones will leave the company when they find out they can make more money on their own!

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal

And once you train these staff, don't you think the good ones will leave the company when they find out they can make more money on their own!

How often do good salesmen leave the stores they work for, to make more on their own? Some people are never suited for being entrepreneurial, they'd rather see a solid paycheck come in every week. They're not cut out to take the risk of going on their own and no longer having the guarantee of making rent every month. Just because this industry is full of entrepreneurial type people doesn't mean that some wouldn't prefer a job instead.

Rui · 06-07-2005, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

There's no such thing as a stupid student, only stupid teachers whose methods stink.

Thats wishfull thinking to say the least

Pete-KT · 06-07-2005, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

Pete, sorry, I no longer use ICQ. It got to the point where I could no longer get anything done due to it interfering with my work all the time. Shoot me an e-mail to damagex at damagex dot com or leave me your e-mail here and I'll contact you. Sorry for the inconvenience.

email me please PeteKT at samscash.com

kuthi123 · 06-07-2005, 05:20 AM

design nothing do with traffic, and your design work is worster than $65" designers

exportyourbiz-com · 06-07-2005, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Not necessarily. However, I think I may have given the wrong impression here, as advocating cutting affiliates loose altogether.

"So, isn't it about time you guys built your own traffic and lost the hassle
of dealing with every damn whining affiliate? Think about it, have a bunch of
people on your staff, building TGP's/MGP's/galleries/free sites, only for you.
You wouldn't have to rely on affiliates to get your signups."

exportyourbiz-com · 06-07-2005, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

There's no such thing as a stupid student, only stupid teachers whose methods stink.

If you actually knew enough about generating traffic to be able to teach Joe Blow off the street how to outperform the top affiliates in the industry you wouldn't be designing $300 TGP's.

Next.

Rui · 06-07-2005, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

If you actually knew enough about generating traffic to be able to teach Joe Blow off the street how to outperform the top affiliates in the industry you wouldn't be designing $300 TGP's.

Next.

While I disagree with most of his "ideas" on this subject I don't think he was impliying he would be the one teaching people

Series · 06-07-2005, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

If you actually knew enough about generating traffic to be able to teach Joe Blow off the street how to outperform the top affiliates in the industry you wouldn't be designing $300 TGP's.

Next.

Heh... he does do a bit more than that

exportyourbiz-com · 06-07-2005, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui

While I disagree with most of his "ideas" on this subject I don't think he was impliying he would be the one teaching people

Even if it's not him, what would posess somebody with the kind of knowledge to participate in something like this?

If you are at the top of the elite pile when it comes to any and all methods of generating traffic you won't want to be travelling around teaching your methods to others without a MASSIVE pay-off which would obviously have to be written by the sponsor... say bye-bye to your increased profit margins from canning affiliates.

exportyourbiz-com · 06-07-2005, 05:43 AM

I've already been down this road before and it ends in an inescapable catch-22.

The sponsors that can afford the services don't need them.
The sponsors that need the services can't afford them.

Rui · 06-07-2005, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

I've already been down this road before and it ends in an inescapable catch-22.

The sponsors that can afford the services don't need them.
The sponsors that need the services can't afford them.

I also said something among those lines ;)

exportyourbiz-com · 06-07-2005, 06:01 AM

Traffic is also a zero-sum game.

If you teach more and more people your methods the smaller the pie gets and the less people will be willing to pay you.

Focusing on something like increasing member retention & cross sales gives you much more scalability.

Pretty_Lara · 06-07-2005, 06:11 AM

it is impossible

fireorange · 06-07-2005, 06:20 AM

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,420	You didn't get my point... If you don't have affiliates, you don't have TGP's either... or other sources for aggrigating traffic. You think theHun.net is going to host over 3 million hits a day in bandwidth for free?

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,420	I think I am finally starting to see your point.. And I agree with it in part. But I guess the underlying fact is that the market will shape itself. Currently most affiliate programs became affiliate programs because they didn't want to do what affiliates do or to escape out of being an affiliate. Though, I guess with the power of suggesting, a lot of things can change. I am sure there are a lot of smaller spondors out there who'd like to increase their traffic flow and possibly even keep the affiliates around too.

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