Non US webmasters need to quit their fucking whining - GoFuckYourself.com

Snake Doctor · 06-08-2005, 12:21 PM

Quit your damn bitching already about how 2257 is inconveniencing you.

YOU are the one who CHOSE to do business with a U.S. company, therefore you are going to be affected by the new rules governing the company you do business with.

Nobody forced you to use a U.S. sponsor, you chose to, so now you have to deal with the shit the same as everyone else.

You may have to change some of your shit in order to continue doing business with certain companies, but you're not looking at 5 years in federal prison for non compliance the way the U.S. people are, so forgive us for not boo-hooing for you and making our decisions based on what's going to keep us out of jail rather than what may inconvenience a TGP owner in Europe.

Manowar · 06-08-2005, 12:26 PM

US webmasters need to quit their fucking whining about Non US webmasters needing to quit their fucking whining

exportyourbiz-com · 06-08-2005, 12:26 PM

Please try to keep up with the rest of the class.

There is a huge difference between 'we are instating these new policies based on the guidance of our legal counsel to protect ourselves and our models' and 'we don't want to put our US affiliates at a disadvantage'

Snake Doctor · 06-08-2005, 12:40 PM

I'd also like to add that alot of U.S. webmasters are getting fucked by other countries' laws at the moment as well.

How many US companies bought content from Canadian and European providers and now can't secure the proper documents because it violates privacy laws in those other countries?

We're all getting a royal screwing over this, and nobody in this business wanted any of this to happen.
You need to get off your fucking soapboxes and quit bitching at the U.S. program owners that have been paying your bills for years.
They're facing jail time for making the slightest mistake concerning this law....cut them some fucking slack will ya?

Pornopat · 06-08-2005, 02:07 PM

I hope you are aware that complying WITH 2257 can put European webmasters in jail?
European Data Protection Act its called.....

Nydahl · 06-08-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Quit your damn bitching already about how 2257 is inconveniencing you.

YOU are the one who CHOSE to do business with a U.S. company, therefore you are going to be affected by the new rules governing the company you do business with.

Nobody forced you to use a U.S. sponsor, you chose to, so now you have to deal with the shit the same as everyone else.

You may have to change some of your shit in order to continue doing business with certain companies, but you're not looking at 5 years in federal prison for non compliance the way the U.S. people are, so forgive us for not boo-hooing for you and making our decisions based on what's going to keep us out of jail rather than what may inconvenience a TGP owner in Europe.

basicly you are right

Nydahl · 06-08-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

I hope you are aware that complying WITH 2257 can put European webmasters in jail?
European Data Protection Act its called.....

discutable - has different rules in every single country....

Dirty Dane · 06-08-2005, 02:14 PM

I'm not whining. I see opportunities

directfiesta · 06-08-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

I'd also like to add that alot of U.S. webmasters are getting fucked by other countries' laws at the moment as well.

How many US companies bought content from Canadian and European providers and now can't secure the proper documents because it violates privacy laws in those other countries?

?

Sorry, but you are comparing apples with melons ...

When US webmasters bought the content, they did not require documents. Everything was fine and dandy...

Now which law changed ? The US one or the foreigners one... We know the answer, don't we ....
So if you want to whine, go to Washington DC or STFU.

You are getting fucked, but look by who first.

BukkakeBrown · 06-08-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

US webmasters need to quit their fucking whining about Non US webmasters needing to quit their fucking whining

Donny · 06-08-2005, 02:15 PM

Nice thread. Very nice indeed.

Sly · 06-08-2005, 02:16 PM

I think a lot of them are upset they can't get the "edge" over the Americans that they thought they could. That and all the wasted time and energy put into changing everything.

Don't worry guys, we have to change everything, too.

directfiesta · 06-08-2005, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I think a lot of them are upset they can't get the "edge" over the Americans that they thought they could. That and all the wasted time and energy put into changing everything.

Don't worry guys, we have to change everything, too.

Yep, like the French were pissed that they could not run the war in Iraq .... remember ?

Pornopat · 06-08-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nydahl

discutable - has different rules in every single country....

True. Where I live (Netherlands) I could technically get jailtime for complying with 2257 though.
I would rather break American laws then European laws since I live in Europe. I dont understand why this issue does not get the attention it deserves.

Think about it....If you post a gallery to the Hun, Worldsex, Al4a or Video-post with 2257 attached you are breaking a law and could be arrested when you try to visit the Amsterdam show in September.
Offcourse this is theory and it will never happen. Same thing goes for Europeans not complying with 2257 and visiting the USA.

polle54 · 06-08-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

US webmasters need to quit their fucking whining about Non US webmasters needing to quit their fucking whining

haha nice approach

But we are a lot of non us masters not whining at all because there must be a lot of extra money to be made when all the small us fish quits tgp buiss...

FilthyRob · 06-08-2005, 02:29 PM

in one way or another every webmaster is affected

Snake Doctor · 06-08-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

True. Where I live (Netherlands) I could technically get jailtime for complying with 2257 though.
I would rather break American laws then European laws since I live in Europe. I dont understand why this issue does not get the attention it deserves.

Think about it....If you post a gallery to the Hun, Worldsex, Al4a or Video-post with 2257 attached you are breaking a law and could be arrested when you try to visit the Amsterdam show in September.
Offcourse this is theory and it will never happen. Same thing goes for Europeans not complying with 2257 and visiting the USA.

How would you get jail time for complying with 2257?

If you were to pass out ID's of model's in violation of privacy laws where you live that's one thing.....but to simply have the ID's on hand for the content you publish?

Gawdy · 06-08-2005, 02:31 PM

compliant US webmasters have the most to gain. US webmasters will make a ton if thet play there cards right

stev0 · 06-08-2005, 02:33 PM

everyone needs to stop whining, US webmasters should be writing letters if they don't like the new laws...

Nydahl · 06-08-2005, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

How would you get jail time for complying with 2257?

If you were to pass out ID's of model's in violation of privacy laws where you live that's one thing.....but to simply have the ID's on hand for the content you publish?

its simple personal data law protection - its a kind of problem
We edited new model releases and will make all girls to agree with providing thier IDs to 3rd party..only way to go but still not 100%

digi · 06-08-2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

How would you get jail time for complying with 2257?

If you were to pass out ID's of model's in violation of privacy laws where you live that's one thing.....but to simply have the ID's on hand for the content you publish?

so whats the point of having the id's if you cant hand them out? why should I gather all the docs the US requires when I cant give them out?

DutchTeenCash · 06-08-2005, 02:42 PM

Its illegal in most EU countries to hand out copies of IDs, privacy laws stating you cant... but theres a workaround for every problem

Pornopat · 06-08-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

How would you get jail time for complying with 2257?

If you were to pass out ID's of model's in violation of privacy laws where you live that's one thing.....but to simply have the ID's on hand for the content you publish?

8. Personal data shall not be transferred to a country or territory outside the EEA (European Economic Area) unless that country or territory ensures an adequate level of protection for the rights and freedoms of data subjects in relation to the processing of personal data.

The USA is seen as inadequate when it comes to safekeeping of personal data. Therefor even offering to show this information is illegal. (invitation to commit a crime. )

Dirty Dane · 06-08-2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

8. Personal data shall not be transferred to a country or territory outside the EEA (European Economic Area) unless that country or territory ensures an adequate level of protection for the rights and freedoms of data subjects in relation to the processing of personal data.

The USA is seen as inadequate when it comes to safekeeping of personal data. Therefor even offering to show this information is illegal. (invitation to commit a crime. )

So actually the ones (lawmakers) who signed/approved a law that force non-US citizens to hand out privacy information against their EU laws, should not visit EU for a while

Machete_ · 06-08-2005, 02:59 PM

Im sending the british army to kill you now.

tranza · 06-08-2005, 03:01 PM

Are you a republicane Lenny?

Pornopat · 06-08-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

So actually the ones (lawmakers) who signed/approved a law that force non-US citizens to hand out privacy information against their EU laws, should not visit EU for a while

You said it man. I see another lawcase in Brussels coming up!

Offcourse the American lawmakers would defend themselves saying they did not force Europeans to put up 2257 though. They would claim that they did not force Europeans to do biz with Americans. And there you have it...A split in the adult industry.

bhutocracy · 06-08-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

Same thing goes for Europeans not complying with 2257 and visiting the USA.

I wouldn't be too confident of that. Plus you are scanned and fingerprinted on entry these days.

NoCarrier · 06-08-2005, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

US webmasters need to quit their fucking whining about Non US webmasters needing to quit their fucking whining

taibo · 06-08-2005, 03:04 PM

just quit the damn whining

Elli · 06-08-2005, 03:23 PM

http://www.informationcommissioner.g...l.aspx?id=1163

Has a bunch of information about clauses for exchanges of model contract information around the middle of the page.

adonthenet · 06-08-2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

US webmasters need to quit their fucking whining about Non US webmasters needing to quit their fucking whining

lol

06-08-2005, 03:32 PM

yeah we should ............ check this please, if this list http://www.galleryfillers.com is ready ......... we will be not whining anymore LOL

Snake Doctor · 06-08-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tranza

Are you a republicane Lenny?

No I'm not a republicane, I'm a democrate.

Also, when I was talking about being 2257 compliant, I wasn't referring to shipping model info from the EU to U.S.

I was talking about having all the proper documents for all models that appear on your sites, as an affiliate, not as a program owner.

There will be some U.S. sponsors who won't do business with you unless you are 2257 compliant, regardless of where you live.

If you don't live in the U.S. you don't have to follow the rules of the CAN-SPAM act, but you can't send that spam traffic to U.S. sponsors.
Some programs will have the same rules regarding 2257, if your sites aren't compliant they won't take your traffic.

fireorange · 06-08-2005, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Sorry, but you are comparing apples with melons ...

When US webmasters bought the content, they did not require documents. Everything was fine and dandy...

Now which law changed ? The US one or the foreigners one... We know the answer, don't we ....
So if you want to whine, go to Washington DC or STFU.

You are getting fucked, but look by who first.

Owned...

fireorange · 06-08-2005, 03:34 PM

I think it's good, less hardcore.

baddog · 06-08-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

You said it man. I see another lawcase in Brussels coming up!

Offcourse the American lawmakers would defend themselves saying they did not force Europeans to put up 2257 though. They would claim that they did not force Europeans to do biz with Americans. And there you have it...A split in the adult industry.

You do realize that 2257 does not require you to post the records, just where the records can be found.

GatorB · 06-08-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

I hope you are aware that complying WITH 2257 can put European webmasters in jail?
European Data Protection Act its called.....

How? if a US sponsor were to give you the 2257 info on a model how are YOU going to jail?

Pornopat · 06-08-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You do realize that 2257 does not require you to post the records, just where the records can be found.

Yes and even that would be illegal since it would be "invitation to commit a crime".
I dont think that concept is being used in American law so please allow me to elaborate on that:
It has happened more that once that American law officers offered Dutch citizens to buy drugs. If a Dutch person agrees to buy the drugs he would commit a crime according to the US law and would be put in an American jail.
Often the Dutch government aks the American government to hand over the person to the Dutch law officers. When this happens the person will be set free within a short time because of the techniques used to arrest the person. He was "invited to commit a crime" which is illegal.
2257 offers information to make it easier to commit a crime. The goal of 2257 is to break a law.

Lee · 06-08-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

How would you get jail time for complying with 2257?

If you were to pass out ID's of model's in violation of privacy laws where you live that's one thing.....but to simply have the ID's on hand for the content you publish?

We wouldnt. The reality of having to hand out the id's to a US is extremely unlikely, but in the event & we did contravene any privacy laws it would most likely be a fine.

GatorB · 06-08-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You do realize that 2257 does not require you to post the records, just where the records can be found.

I think most webmaster are confused about this. I know where they would get the idea that you are supposed to put the models info on there site. All you have to put on your site is the 2257 statement and YOUR name and YOUR address where the DOJ can find you. The records are for you to KEEP not put online. If they ahd to be online WTF would they need to do a personal inspection for?

just a punk · 06-08-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Quit your damn bitching already about how 2257 is inconveniencing you.

YOU are the one who CHOSE to do business with a U.S. company, therefore you are going to be affected by the new rules governing the company you do business with.

Nobody forced you to use a U.S. sponsor, you chose to, so now you have to deal with the shit the same as everyone else.

You may have to change some of your shit in order to continue doing business with certain companies, but you're not looking at 5 years in federal prison for non compliance the way the U.S. people are, so forgive us for not boo-hooing for you and making our decisions based on what's going to keep us out of jail rather than what may inconvenience a TGP owner in Europe.

You say "whining". I thought they feel just happy because a biggest part of market (hosting, traffic generatin systems etc) will move to EU. So the EU Sponsors will get a BIG RISE due to new 2257.

Doctor Dre · 06-08-2005, 04:16 PM

I'm bitchin cauz you guys put a moron, right wing nut at the head of the country

2257 won't be sooo hard :P only a bit more work

CDSmith · 06-08-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

US webmasters need to quit their fucking whining about Non US webmasters needing to quit their fucking whining

GatorB · 06-08-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

US webmasters need to quit their fucking whining about Non US webmasters needing to quit their fucking whining

Non-US webmaster need to quit whining about US webmasters needing to quit whinning about non-US webmasters whining.

Pornopat · 06-08-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee

We wouldnt. The reality of having to hand out the id's to a US is extremely unlikely, but in the event & we did contravene any privacy laws it would most likely be a fine.

For the UK, where you live, that is correct. As said before though the law has different consquences in the different European countries.
The possible consequences for you are:

"Fine - in the U.K. a maximum of £5,000;
A criminal record against the company, its directors and/or its senior management;
A visit from the relevant European Commissioner's office;
The cessation of processing until such time as the Directive is complied with;
Litigation by the Data Subject; Subsequent legal costs incurred."

Makes you go uhm?

nico-t · 06-08-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

I'm bitchin cauz you guys put a moron, right wing nut at the head of the country

u hit the nail on the head with that sentence

nikad · 06-08-2005, 04:35 PM

I guess the average webmaster, running tgps, etc and is forign will be compliant by just putting the freaking 2257 link on all their sites and homepages, gallys, etc, getting the documentation, etc, could be an option, I do not think the DOJ will travel abroad to look at them? Anyway it is not their territory. So basically by doing this you will be covered to operate with US sponsors, and you won't break your countries laws, does this make sense?
Nik

06-08-2005, 12:21 PM	#1
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Non US webmasters need to quit their fucking whining Quit your damn bitching already about how 2257 is inconveniencing you. YOU are the one who CHOSE to do business with a U.S. company, therefore you are going to be affected by the new rules governing the company you do business with. Nobody forced you to use a U.S. sponsor, you chose to, so now you have to deal with the shit the same as everyone else. You may have to change some of your shit in order to continue doing business with certain companies, but you're not looking at 5 years in federal prison for non compliance the way the U.S. people are, so forgive us for not boo-hooing for you and making our decisions based on what's going to keep us out of jail rather than what may inconvenience a TGP owner in Europe. __________________ sig too big

06-08-2005, 12:40 PM	#4
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	I'd also like to add that alot of U.S. webmasters are getting fucked by other countries' laws at the moment as well. How many US companies bought content from Canadian and European providers and now can't secure the proper documents because it violates privacy laws in those other countries? We're all getting a royal screwing over this, and nobody in this business wanted any of this to happen. You need to get off your fucking soapboxes and quit bitching at the U.S. program owners that have been paying your bills for years. They're facing jail time for making the slightest mistake concerning this law....cut them some fucking slack will ya? __________________ sig too big

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Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,328	I think a lot of them are upset they can't get the "edge" over the Americans that they thought they could. That and all the wasted time and energy put into changing everything. Don't worry guys, we have to change everything, too. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

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06-08-2005, 12:26 PM	#2
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	US webmasters need to quit their fucking whining about Non US webmasters needing to quit their fucking whining

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exportyourbiz-com Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 141	Please try to keep up with the rest of the class. There is a huge difference between 'we are instating these new policies based on the guidance of our legal counsel to protect ourselves and our models' and 'we don't want to put our US affiliates at a disadvantage'

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Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	I'm not whining. I see opportunities

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Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Nice thread. Very nice indeed.

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Gawdy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 397	compliant US webmasters have the most to gain. US webmasters will make a ton if thet play there cards right __________________ hello

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stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	everyone needs to stop whining, US webmasters should be writing letters if they don't like the new laws...

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06-08-2005, 03:04 PM	#30
taibo Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,720	just quit the damn whining

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Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	http://www.informationcommissioner.g...l.aspx?id=1163 Has a bunch of information about clauses for exchanges of model contract information around the middle of the page. __________________ email: [email protected]

06-08-2005, 03:32 PM	#33
ThumbLord Guest Posts: n/a	yeah we should ............ check this please, if this list http://www.galleryfillers.com is ready ......... we will be not whining anymore LOL

06-08-2005, 03:34 PM	#36
fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	I think it's good, less hardcore.

06-08-2005, 04:35 PM	#48
nikad Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: BA Posts: 2,579	Now if you are not in the US I guess the average webmaster, running tgps, etc and is forign will be compliant by just putting the freaking 2257 link on all their sites and homepages, gallys, etc, getting the documentation, etc, could be an option, I do not think the DOJ will travel abroad to look at them? Anyway it is not their territory. So basically by doing this you will be covered to operate with US sponsors, and you won't break your countries laws, does this make sense? Nik __________________ The Filthy Few [email protected]