Non US webmasters need to quit their fucking whining
 

Quit your damn bitching already about how 2257 is inconveniencing you.

YOU are the one who CHOSE to do business with a U.S. company, therefore you are going to be affected by the new rules governing the company you do business with.

Nobody forced you to use a U.S. sponsor, you chose to, so now you have to deal with the shit the same as everyone else.

You may have to change some of your shit in order to continue doing business with certain companies, but you're not looking at 5 years in federal prison for non compliance the way the U.S. people are, so forgive us for not boo-hooing for you and making our decisions based on what's going to keep us out of jail rather than what may inconvenience a TGP owner in Europe.

:2 cents:

US webmasters need to quit their fucking whining about Non US webmasters needing to quit their fucking whining

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Please try to keep up with the rest of the class.

There is a huge difference between 'we are instating these new policies based on the guidance of our legal counsel to protect ourselves and our models' and 'we don't want to put our US affiliates at a disadvantage'

I'd also like to add that alot of U.S. webmasters are getting fucked by other countries' laws at the moment as well.

How many US companies bought content from Canadian and European providers and now can't secure the proper documents because it violates privacy laws in those other countries?

We're all getting a royal screwing over this, and nobody in this business wanted any of this to happen.
You need to get off your fucking soapboxes and quit bitching at the U.S. program owners that have been paying your bills for years.
They're facing jail time for making the slightest mistake concerning this law....cut them some fucking slack will ya?

I hope you are aware that complying WITH 2257 can put European webmasters in jail?
European Data Protection Act its called.....

basicly you are right :pimp

discutable - has different rules in every single country.... :2 cents:

I'm not whining. I see opportunities :pimp :2 cents: :2 cents:

Sorry, but you are comparing apples with melons ...

When US webmasters bought the content, they did not require documents. Everything was fine and dandy...

Now which law changed ? The US one or the foreigners one... We know the answer, don't we ....
So if you want to whine, go to Washington DC or STFU.

You are getting fucked, but look by who first. :321GFY

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Nice thread. Very nice indeed.

I think a lot of them are upset they can't get the "edge" over the Americans that they thought they could. That and all the wasted time and energy put into changing everything.

Don't worry guys, we have to change everything, too.

Yep, like the French were pissed that they could not run the war in Iraq .... remember ? :1orglaugh

True. Where I live (Netherlands) I could technically get jailtime for complying with 2257 though.
I would rather break American laws then European laws since I live in Europe. I dont understand why this issue does not get the attention it deserves.

Think about it....If you post a gallery to the Hun, Worldsex, Al4a or Video-post with 2257 attached you are breaking a law and could be arrested when you try to visit the Amsterdam show in September.
Offcourse this is theory and it will never happen. Same thing goes for Europeans not complying with 2257 and visiting the USA.
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haha nice approach

But we are a lot of non us masters not whining at all because there must be a lot of extra money to be made when all the small us fish quits tgp buiss...

in one way or another every webmaster is affected

How would you get jail time for complying with 2257?

If you were to pass out ID's of model's in violation of privacy laws where you live that's one thing.....but to simply have the ID's on hand for the content you publish?

compliant US webmasters have the most to gain. US webmasters will make a ton if thet play there cards right

everyone needs to stop whining, US webmasters should be writing letters if they don't like the new laws...

its simple personal data law protection - its a kind of problem
We edited new model releases and will make all girls to agree with providing thier IDs to 3rd party..only way to go but still not 100%

so whats the point of having the id's if you cant hand them out? why should I gather all the docs the US requires when I cant give them out?

Its illegal in most EU countries to hand out copies of IDs, privacy laws stating you cant... but theres a workaround for every problem :)

8. Personal data shall not be transferred to a country or territory outside the EEA (European Economic Area) unless that country or territory ensures an adequate level of protection for the rights and freedoms of data subjects in relation to the processing of personal data.

The USA is seen as inadequate when it comes to safekeeping of personal data. Therefor even offering to show this information is illegal. (invitation to commit a crime. )

So actually the ones (lawmakers) who signed/approved a law that force non-US citizens to hand out privacy information against their EU laws, should not visit EU for a while :1orglaugh

Im sending the british army to kill you now.
http://www.grovsjov.dk/billeder/grov..._06/queeen.jpg

Are you a republicane Lenny?

You said it man. I see another lawcase in Brussels coming up! :winkwink:

Offcourse the American lawmakers would defend themselves saying they did not force Europeans to put up 2257 though. They would claim that they did not force Europeans to do biz with Americans. And there you have it...A split in the adult industry.
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I wouldn't be too confident of that. Plus you are scanned and fingerprinted on entry these days.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

just quit the damn whining

http://www.informationcommissioner.g...l.aspx?id=1163

Has a bunch of information about clauses for exchanges of model contract information around the middle of the page.

lol :1orglaugh

yeah we should ............ check this please, if this list http://www.galleryfillers.com is ready ......... we will be not whining anymore LOL

No I'm not a republicane, I'm a democrate. :1orglaugh


Also, when I was talking about being 2257 compliant, I wasn't referring to shipping model info from the EU to U.S.

I was talking about having all the proper documents for all models that appear on your sites, as an affiliate, not as a program owner.

There will be some U.S. sponsors who won't do business with you unless you are 2257 compliant, regardless of where you live.

If you don't live in the U.S. you don't have to follow the rules of the CAN-SPAM act, but you can't send that spam traffic to U.S. sponsors.
Some programs will have the same rules regarding 2257, if your sites aren't compliant they won't take your traffic.

Owned...

I think it's good, less hardcore.

You do realize that 2257 does not require you to post the records, just where the records can be found.

How? if a US sponsor were to give you the 2257 info on a model how are YOU going to jail?

Yes and even that would be illegal since it would be "invitation to commit a crime".
I dont think that concept is being used in American law so please allow me to elaborate on that:
It has happened more that once that American law officers offered Dutch citizens to buy drugs. If a Dutch person agrees to buy the drugs he would commit a crime according to the US law and would be put in an American jail.
Often the Dutch government aks the American government to hand over the person to the Dutch law officers. When this happens the person will be set free within a short time because of the techniques used to arrest the person. He was "invited to commit a crime" which is illegal.
2257 offers information to make it easier to commit a crime. The goal of 2257 is to break a law.

We wouldnt. The reality of having to hand out the id's to a US is extremely unlikely, but in the event & we did contravene any privacy laws it would most likely be a fine.

I think most webmaster are confused about this. I know where they would get the idea that you are supposed to put the models info on there site. All you have to put on your site is the 2257 statement and YOUR name and YOUR address where the DOJ can find you. The records are for you to KEEP not put online. If they ahd to be online WTF would they need to do a personal inspection for?

You say "whining". I thought they feel just happy because a biggest part of market (hosting, traffic generatin systems etc) will move to EU. So the EU Sponsors will get a BIG RISE due to new 2257.

:2 cents:

I'm bitchin cauz you guys put a moron, right wing nut at the head of the country :)

2257 won't be sooo hard :P only a bit more work

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Non-US webmaster need to quit whining about US webmasters needing to quit whinning about non-US webmasters whining.

For the UK, where you live, that is correct. As said before though the law has different consquences in the different European countries.
The possible consequences for you are:

"Fine - in the U.K. a maximum of £5,000;
A criminal record against the company, its directors and/or its senior management;
A visit from the relevant European Commissioner's office;
The cessation of processing until such time as the Directive is complied with;
Litigation by the Data Subject; Subsequent legal costs incurred."

Makes you go uhm?

u hit the nail on the head with that sentence

Now if you are not in the US
 

I guess the average webmaster, running tgps, etc and is forign will be compliant by just putting the freaking 2257 link on all their sites and homepages, gallys, etc, getting the documentation, etc, could be an option, I do not think the DOJ will travel abroad to look at them? Anyway it is not their territory. So basically by doing this you will be covered to operate with US sponsors, and you won't break your countries laws, does this make sense?
Nik