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dopeman 06-08-2005 04:48 PM

time to start sniping some dirty 'pornographers' and fight indecency.

theking 06-08-2005 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy
Animal Farm and to a lesser extent 1984 were also satire.
Sometimes the best way to get a political point across is through fictional satire.. especially when the case in point hasn't happened yet and therefore HAS to be fictional. A point is a point is a point. The delivery mechanism is irrevelant to it's validity.

I enjoy good satire...and I sometimes enjoy good fiction...though I have never been a big reader of fiction...but I accept both for what they are...satire and fiction.

The Sultan Of Smut 06-08-2005 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
No...I compared the "relevancy" of a fictional satirical novel to the "relevancy" of the fictional satirical mockumentaries of Michael Moore.

I don't know what you mean when you refer to "relevancy". Do you state it like that to illustrate that both works are from the delusional ramblings of madmen and thus no one should attempt to take anything from the works? Are you trying to associate Sinclair with Moore? I'm not going to talk about the obvious propaganda of Michael Moore since it's cloaked in what is laughingly called a documentary.

I haven't read Sinclair's book but am familiar with other forms of fiction that were used for political decent while preventing the author from suffering political persecution (nursery rhymes, poetry, science fiction - my personal favorite is Paradise Lost by John Milton).

The point of some of the greatest works of fiction is to teach us (and help us teach our children) of various forms of corruption and tyrrany.

theking 06-08-2005 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t
your great leader is also very good in lying, remember those air photos he showed with trucks with nuclear weapons in em? and used that fairy tale to invade iraq and start a war?

While it is true that WMDs/WMD materials was the primary reason (but not the only reason) presented to the public to "beat the drums of war"...in my opinion it was most certainly not the real reason.

The Admin used WMD's/WMD materials to "beat the drums of war" because they fully expected to find WMD's/WMD materials...as it was the consensus of all fifteen of our intel agencies that they would be there...and the intel agencies of Britain...Israel...France...Germany...Russia...Egy pt...Saudi Arabia...and others all concurred with US intel agencies.

What you call lies was based upon the failed intel of not only our own intel agencies but also the failed intel of major intel agencies around the world.

taibo 06-08-2005 05:06 PM

:pimp :thumbsup

theking 06-08-2005 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Sultan Of Smut
I don't know what you mean when you refer to "relevancy". Do you state it like that to illustrate that both works are from the delusional ramblings of madmen and thus no one should attempt to take anything from the works? Are you trying to associate Sinclair with Moore? I'm not going to talk about the obvious propaganda of Michael Moore since it's cloaked in what is laughingly called a documentary.

I haven't read Sinclair's book but am familiar with other forms of fiction that were used for political decent while preventing the author from suffering political persecution (nursery rhymes, poetry, science fiction - my personal favorite is Paradise Lost by John Milton).

The point of some of the greatest works of fiction is to teach us (and help us teach our children) of various forms of corruption and tyrrany.

Niether are madman...and if you find something of value to you in the reading of fictional satirical novels...and/or ficitional satirical "documentaries" that is your personal choice.

As previously stated...while I do enjoy good satire and sometimes enoy fiction (though I have never read much fiction) I recognize them for what they are.

smack 06-08-2005 05:36 PM

amazing how none of the bush voters listened before the election, and many still refuse to admit their mistake. come on, this is getting silly. this transcends partisan politics, this guy is just bad for our country.

theking 06-08-2005 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by smack
amazing how none of the bush voters listened before the election, and many still refuse to admit their mistake. come on, this is getting silly. this transcends partisan politics, this guy is just bad for our country.

Approximately half of the public...think that you are mistaken...not them. History will be the determining factor.

nico-t 06-08-2005 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
While it is true that WMDs/WMD materials was the primary reason (but not the only reason) presented to the public to "beat the drums of war"...in my opinion it was most certainly not the real reason.

The Admin used WMD's/WMD materials to "beat the drums of war" because they fully expected to find WMD's/WMD materials...as it was the consensus of all fifteen of our intel agencies that they would be there...and the intel agencies of Britain...Israel...France...Germany...Russia...Egy pt...Saudi Arabia...and others all concurred with US intel agencies.

What you call lies was based upon the failed intel of not only our own intel agencies but also the failed intel of major intel agencies around the world.

It was clear that bush and his boys were searching for arguments to start a war, they were the action and not a reaction. It has to be the opposite.

Its like a cop busting in your door without a reason and turning the house upside down in the hope he finds a butter knife, calls it an "assault weapon" and put u in jail. His goal is to put u in jail, no matter what.

Bush and his boys' goal was to invade iraq, clearly for economic purposes, and they desperately grasped any vague detail they could find to blow it out of proportion and use it as arguments for their plan. That way you will find a reason to invade any country in the world.

theking 06-08-2005 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t
It was clear that bush and his boys were searching for arguments to start a war, they were the action and not a reaction. It has to be the opposite.

Its like a cop busting in your door without a reason and turning the house upside down in the hope he finds a butter knife, calls it an "assault weapon" and put u in jail. His goal is to put u in jail, no matter what.

Bush and his boys' goal was to invade iraq, clearly for economic purposes, and they desperately grasped any vague detail they could find to blow it out of proportion and use it as arguments for their plan. That way you will find a reason to invade any country in the world.

It was actually the US Congress...during President Clinton's time in office...that took it upon themselves to vote on and pass a resolution advocating the overthrow of Saddam and the Baath party. President Clinton failed to act upon this resolution and President Bush chose to act. I have personally been an advocate for the overthrow of Saddam and the Baath party since '91...when they first began to violate the cease fire agreements that they signed on for...and have been an advocate every year there after...for multiple accumlative reasons.

There were multiple good...valid reasons...for removing Saddam and the Baath party since '91 and 9/11 presented additional...good...valid reasons.

simple simon 06-08-2005 06:03 PM

polls mean absolutely fuck-all in a second term, why you guys are bitching back and forth on approval poll numbers in a second term is hilarious. Oh ya see sig :1orglaugh

theking 06-08-2005 07:58 PM

As is SOP for Richy boy...he spreads his lies and/or misinformation then runs away from it.

ronbotx 06-08-2005 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by simple simon
polls mean absolutely fuck-all in a second term, why you guys are bitching back and forth on approval poll numbers in a second term is hilarious. Oh ya see sig :1orglaugh

Bush did fine on the only poll that counted, the one on November 2, 2004.

Kind of funny how the worthless Canadians , who have one of the most corrupt governments around , always complain about Bush.

But then again, who cares what happens to a third rate power like Canada.? Not really relevant to us or the rest of the world.

theking 06-09-2005 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
As is SOP for Richy boy...he spreads his lies and/or misinformation then runs away from it.

Worth noting.

Paraskass 06-09-2005 02:35 PM

so fucking what.

Bush would still be reelected tomorow if there we're to be elections.
Pussy americans cannot take decisions.

Paraskass 06-09-2005 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx
Bush did fine on the only poll that counted, the one on November 2, 2004.

Kind of funny how the worthless Canadians , who have one of the most corrupt governments around , always complain about Bush.

But then again, who cares what happens to a third rate power like Canada.? Not really relevant to us or the rest of the world.


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I agree. Those canadians are stupid. In quebec, we want out.


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