Senate Gives FBI More Patriot Act Power - GoFuckYourself.com

marketsmart · 06-07-2005, 06:49 PM

Originally I heard they were going to tone it down a bit, guess not

WASHINGTON - The FBI would get expanded powers to subpoena records without the approval of a judge or grand jury in terrorism investigations under Patriot Act revisions approved Tuesday by the Senate Intelligence Committee.

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Some senators who voted 11-4 to move the bill forward said they would push for limits on the new powers the measure would grant to law enforcement agencies.

"This bill must be amended on the floor to protect national security while protecting Constitutional rights," said Sen. Barbara Mikulski (news, bio, voting record), D-Md.

Ranking Democrat Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., supported the bill overall but said he would push for limits that would allow such administrative subpoenas "only if immediacy dictates."

Rockefeller and other committee members, such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., also are concerned that the bill would grant powers to federal law enforcement agencies that could be used in criminal inquiries rather than intelligence-gathering ones.

Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said the bill places new checks and balances on the powers it would grant, such as new procedures that would allow people to challenge such administrative orders. He called the Patriot Act "a vital tool in the war on terror" and lauded the Democrats who voted for it in spite of misgivings.

Portions of the Patriot Act ? signed into law six weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks ? are set to expire at the end of 2005. The bill would renew and expand the act.

The bill also must be considered by the Senate Judiciary Committee, where Feinstein and other Democrats planned to again offer amendments.

Overall, Rockefeller said, the committee gave a nod to most of the Patriot Act in its first few years fighting the nation's new enemies.

"We concluded that these tools have helped keep America safe ... and should be made permanent," Rockefeller said in a statement.

Still, civil libertarians panned the bill and the closed-door meetings in which it was written.

"When lawmakers seek to rewrite our Fourth Amendment rights, they should at least have the gumption to do so in public," said Lisa Graves, the ACLU's senior counsel for legislative strategy. "Americans have a reasonable expectation that their federal government will not gather records about their health, their wealth and the transactions of their daily life without probable cause of a crime and without a court order."

dopeman · 06-07-2005, 06:51 PM

this country is fucked.

jollyperv · 06-07-2005, 07:45 PM

The decline continues.

tony286 · 06-07-2005, 07:47 PM

oh the hits just keep on coming lol

Damian_Maxcash · 06-07-2005, 08:22 PM

Mmmm.... I know its bullshit, but read that John Rittor stuff.

After a couple of bottles wine it makes you wonder.... just a little.

over911 · 06-07-2005, 08:34 PM

Who in the fuck are these people in the senate?
People better start getting real about how the government is run in the US.

Its goin to shit fast.

CheeseFrog · 06-07-2005, 08:34 PM

This is like a bad Star Wars episode...

marketsmart · 06-07-2005, 08:43 PM

well, if you saw the link i made earlier about the kid that crossed in from Canada (he was a US citizen, so don't get upset, O Canada, O Canada...), carrying a homemade sword, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chain saw stained with what appeared to be blood. U.S. customs agents confiscated the weapons and fingerprinted Despres. Then they let him into the United States. Then a day latter they found what out what he had used the chainsaw for in Canada.

First, this happened back and April and is just coming out now and makes you wonder what it takes to actually be held by border agents. Finally, with all the money and civil liberties that went towards homeland security, why is dumb shit like this still happening.

it's all making me crazier than a ferris wheel operator....

taibo · 06-07-2005, 08:48 PM

senate.. who? what

baddog · 06-07-2005, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by over911

Who in the fuck are these people in the senate?
People better start getting real about how the government is run in the US.

Its goin to shit fast.

I hope you live in a different country, or you are just a complete idiot.

06-07-2005, 06:49 PM	#1
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	Senate Gives FBI More Patriot Act Power Originally I heard they were going to tone it down a bit, guess not WASHINGTON - The FBI would get expanded powers to subpoena records without the approval of a judge or grand jury in terrorism investigations under Patriot Act revisions approved Tuesday by the Senate Intelligence Committee. ADVERTISEMENT Some senators who voted 11-4 to move the bill forward said they would push for limits on the new powers the measure would grant to law enforcement agencies. "This bill must be amended on the floor to protect national security while protecting Constitutional rights," said Sen. Barbara Mikulski (news, bio, voting record), D-Md. Ranking Democrat Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., supported the bill overall but said he would push for limits that would allow such administrative subpoenas "only if immediacy dictates." Rockefeller and other committee members, such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., also are concerned that the bill would grant powers to federal law enforcement agencies that could be used in criminal inquiries rather than intelligence-gathering ones. Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said the bill places new checks and balances on the powers it would grant, such as new procedures that would allow people to challenge such administrative orders. He called the Patriot Act "a vital tool in the war on terror" and lauded the Democrats who voted for it in spite of misgivings. Portions of the Patriot Act ? signed into law six weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks ? are set to expire at the end of 2005. The bill would renew and expand the act. The bill also must be considered by the Senate Judiciary Committee, where Feinstein and other Democrats planned to again offer amendments. Overall, Rockefeller said, the committee gave a nod to most of the Patriot Act in its first few years fighting the nation's new enemies. "We concluded that these tools have helped keep America safe ... and should be made permanent," Rockefeller said in a statement. Still, civil libertarians panned the bill and the closed-door meetings in which it was written. "When lawmakers seek to rewrite our Fourth Amendment rights, they should at least have the gumption to do so in public," said Lisa Graves, the ACLU's senior counsel for legislative strategy. "Americans have a reasonable expectation that their federal government will not gather records about their health, their wealth and the transactions of their daily life without probable cause of a crime and without a court order."

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dopeman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 294	this country is fucked.

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jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	The decline continues.

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Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	Mmmm.... I know its bullshit, but read that John Rittor stuff. After a couple of bottles wine it makes you wonder.... just a little.

06-07-2005, 08:43 PM	#8
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	well, if you saw the link i made earlier about the kid that crossed in from Canada (he was a US citizen, so don't get upset, O Canada, O Canada...), carrying a homemade sword, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chain saw stained with what appeared to be blood. U.S. customs agents confiscated the weapons and fingerprinted Despres. Then they let him into the United States. Then a day latter they found what out what he had used the chainsaw for in Canada. First, this happened back and April and is just coming out now and makes you wonder what it takes to actually be held by border agents. Finally, with all the money and civil liberties that went towards homeland security, why is dumb shit like this still happening. it's all making me crazier than a ferris wheel operator....

06-07-2005, 08:48 PM	#9
taibo Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,720	senate.. who? what