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RAM · 06-07-2005, 07:51 AM

I have been in Europe for the last 1 year 7 day's. In that time I have opened up a business and bought a Apartment "flat".

So if I take all my sites that are under RAM Websites LLC and Move them all to RAM Enterprises BT in Hungary. Have my sponsors wire my payments to my business account here "Hungary" Also move my sites to a server here -

Then I should not have to change a thing on the web pages ??

Is this right ?

Thanks

Juicy D. Links · 06-07-2005, 07:51 AM

Ram you still have a US Citinship?

RAM · 06-07-2005, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Ram you still have a US Citinship?

Yes this is true - But if all my sites and hosting is here in a company that pays taxes and is legal - would that solve the problem ?

I would take the money I make from my sites - The money comes here to pay myself "RAM Websites" which means sending some of it back to the USA and paying some taxes there. However RAM Enterprises is paying RAM Websites to consult ??

Juicy D. Links · 06-07-2005, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RAM

Yes this is true - But if all my sites and hosting is here in a company that pays taxes and is legal - would that solve the problem ?

I would take the money I make from my sites - The money comes here to pay myself "RAM Websites" which means sending some of it back to the USA and paying some taxes there. However RAM Enterprises is paying RAM Websites to consult ??

TBH I am just shooting this from my pov but the US Gov can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want . For example you are still US Citizen and they called Hungary and say yo we want RAM holla back and so on..... nut the idea is good just make it solid n tight.

Pete-KT · 06-07-2005, 07:58 AM

Being that you are a US citizen and own the company can be a problem

GatorB · 06-07-2005, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAM

Yes this is true - But if all my sites and hosting is here in a company that pays taxes and is legal - would that solve the problem ?

I would take the money I make from my sites - The money comes here to pay myself "RAM Websites" which means sending some of it back to the USA and paying some taxes there. However RAM Enterprises is paying RAM Websites to consult ??

There's your problem your money is still going back to the US. The DOJ can seize your US bank accounts. Also if you ever decide to come back home they can nab you as soon as you step off the plane.

Juicy D. Links · 06-07-2005, 07:58 AM

The DOJ prob can tell me when was the last time i took a piss for all I know. They prob have a sattelite on my keyboard now watching me.

Juicy D. Links · 06-07-2005, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

There's your problem your money is still going back to the US. The DOJ can seize your US bank accounts. Also if you ever decide to come back home they can nab you as soon as you step off the plane.

true true

Juicy D. Links · 06-07-2005, 08:01 AM

Ram The best way I have found to set up is with an offshore IBC. You can have an IBC in Belize, Nevis or several other countries. I would recommend Belize or Nevis. Then you set up a trust in the Bahamas that owns the IBC bearer shares. That way your name is not on anything connected with the business. The trust and the IBC are safe from US attempts to find you. If you do things right, there is no way for anyone to even know you reside in the US. So there would be no reason to try and pierce the corporate shield. Your name is not attached to the Trust (that holds the "bearer shares" of the IBC) or the IBC itself. It is about as safe as you can get in this world.

To get paid, the sponsor just wires the money to the IBC's offshore bank (xyz company, LTD or whatever you decide to call it). Everything is handled offshore. The offshore banks issue ATM cards that allow you to take out usually $10k per callendar month or $5k/week. If you need more than that, you need to get additional ATM cards from different accounts. You can also wire $ to you us bank, but understand that there are risks associated with this.

Juicy D. Links · 06-07-2005, 08:02 AM

^^^^^^ You didnt here that from me

RAM · 06-07-2005, 08:02 AM

I'm also thinking to make it 100% I would have to show some type of transaction of the Domains changing company's - bill of sale or something - this plus moving all the content off USA ground should do it ?

Wizzo · 06-07-2005, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

The DOJ prob can tell me when was the last time i took a piss for all I know. They prob have a sattelite on my keyboard now watching me.

Or they could just log on and watch from Juicydorm.com

tony286 · 06-07-2005, 08:04 AM

If the money eventually comes back into the country ,you have to have it.

RAM · 06-07-2005, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Ram The best way I have found to set up is with an offshore IBC. You can have an IBC in Belize, Nevis or several other countries. I would recommend Belize or Nevis. Then you set up a trust in the Bahamas that owns the IBC bearer shares. That way your name is not on anything connected with the business. The trust and the IBC are safe from US attempts to find you. If you do things right, there is no way for anyone to even know you reside in the US. So there would be no reason to try and pierce the corporate shield. Your name is not attached to the Trust (that holds the "bearer shares" of the IBC) or the IBC itself. It is about as safe as you can get in this world.

To get paid, the sponsor just wires the money to the IBC's offshore bank (xyz company, LTD or whatever you decide to call it). Everything is handled offshore. The offshore banks issue ATM cards that allow you to take out usually $10k per callendar month or $5k/week. If you need more than that, you need to get additional ATM cards from different accounts. You can also wire $ to you us bank, but understand that there are risks associated with this.

That is great stuff but really it's just heading for TAX trouble.

The company I have here is real and so is the accounts and bills get paid.
When I need money it ATM or walk into the bank - No calling some island and hoping they answer no way.

chase · 06-07-2005, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Ram you still have a US Citinship?

I would think it would be more where the biz is based than the citizenship of it's principles..
Some businesses have dozens of different countries citizens' employed there.

Juicy D. Links · 06-07-2005, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chase

I would think it would be more where the biz is based than the citizenship of it's principles..
Some businesses have dozens of different countries citizens' employed there.

true but still the fuzzzzzzzzzz wants ya theyll get ya ......thank you Bush and patriot act and your 2257 BS

BRISK · 06-07-2005, 08:08 AM

Summary:

Having non-US hosting is probably safer than US hosting

Having a 2257 page (even if you don't keep any records) that says the info is at [insert non-US address here], is probably safer than not having a 2257 page at all, because US authorities can't search a non-US address to see if the documentation is being kept.

Having a lawyer advise you is probably better than reading GFY

chase · 06-07-2005, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Ram The best way I have found to set up is with an offshore IBC. You can have an IBC in Belize, Nevis or several other countries. I would recommend Belize or Nevis. Then you set up a trust in the Bahamas that owns the IBC bearer shares. That way your name is not on anything connected with the business. The trust and the IBC are safe from US attempts to find you. If you do things right, there is no way for anyone to even know you reside in the US. So there would be no reason to try and pierce the corporate shield. Your name is not attached to the Trust (that holds the "bearer shares" of the IBC) or the IBC itself. It is about as safe as you can get in this world.

To get paid, the sponsor just wires the money to the IBC's offshore bank (xyz company, LTD or whatever you decide to call it). Everything is handled offshore. The offshore banks issue ATM cards that allow you to take out usually $10k per callendar month or $5k/week. If you need more than that, you need to get additional ATM cards from different accounts. You can also wire $ to you us bank, but understand that there are risks associated with this.

Nice. That made me wet.

Juicy D. Links · 06-07-2005, 08:08 AM

Ram this thread is useless without pics of Hungarian bbroads

chase · 06-07-2005, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

true but still the fuzzzzzzzzzz wants ya theyll get ya ......thank you Bush and patriot act and your 2257 BS

True dat...

RAM · 06-07-2005, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Ram this thread is useless without pics of Hungarian bbroads

Ok here is a video just for you

http://www.eurobridetryouts.com/ignore/1416.html

The best reason for me to stay !!!!

RAM · 06-07-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

true but still the fuzzzzzzzzzz wants ya theyll get ya ......thank you Bush and patriot act and your 2257 BS

That is very true, However there is no reason to be wanted for selling web advertising to a site that is LEGAL and that has it's records in order. Why should the people linking to a site that is Legal and proves to be legal have a problem ?

WiredGuy · 06-07-2005, 08:24 AM

If you are doing transactions with americans, you are subject to american laws, whether you live in america or not. That's the simple fact. Because you are outside the US does make it harder to prosecute, but it certainly is possible. If you really want to avoid 2257, you should ideally redirect all US traffic somewhere else. But the chances of anyone doing that are next to none.
WG

chase · 06-07-2005, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

If you are doing transactions with americans, you are subject to american laws, whether you live in america or not. That's the simple fact. Because you are outside the US does make it harder to prosecute, but it certainly is possible. If you really want to avoid 2257, you should ideally redirect all US traffic somewhere else. But the chances of anyone doing that are next to none.
WG

Why do you say that..I mean, what precendent has been set to support that theory?

directfiesta · 06-07-2005, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

If you are doing transactions with americans, you are subject to american laws, whether you live in america or not. That's the simple fact. Because you are outside the US does make it harder to prosecute, but it certainly is possible. If you really want to avoid 2257, you should ideally redirect all US traffic somewhere else. But the chances of anyone doing that are next to none.
WG

I knew I shouldn't have slept so long...

It seems I missed the invasion of the world by the USA... Shocks!

TheSaint · 06-07-2005, 09:03 AM

I think once they close the Gitmo base in cuba to terrorists it will free up space to hold a couple thousand webmasters who failed to comply with 2257 or who dreamed up offshore solutions.

You can go offshore and maybe get away with it and maybe not. Only 100% solution is to never come back though.

FilthyRob · 06-07-2005, 09:12 AM

I thought this was gonna be a Like having your asshole licked post.

Seriously, your Hungary plan sounds like what most of us would like to do Ram

RAM · 06-07-2005, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FilthyRob

I thought this was gonna be a Like having your asshole licked post.

Seriously, your Hungary plan sounds like what most of us would like to do Ram

Thanks - But will it work

Diligent · 06-07-2005, 02:28 PM

Interesting matter here:

Say company "TropicalIsland XXX/EuroXXX" (which *really* is operated by Americans) has a couple of paysites...
Say they use Verotel/other non-U.S. processor for billing... or an own non-U.S. merchant account etc.

Now... In this setup, NO ONE should be subject to any U.S. law or regulations... right?
"Wrong! TropicalIsland XXX are dealing with U.S. customers!"
No they're not, Verotel/else are though... which aren't subject to U.S. law.

In this scenario, the only thing I could think of happening (though HIGHLY unlikely) is:

A U.S. blocking/filtering of TropicalIsland XXX's sites. I really doubt that would happen since it would be nothing but a violation of peoples free will to look for porn.

Who else could be blocked and thereby cause trouble for TropicalIsland XXX?
Verotel, because they deal with U.S. customers? Nope, they're not in any way any kind of producer of sexually explicit content, 2257 shouldn't apply to them.

There.. Maybe this is a blueprint for a modus operandi..?

Talk it over with a lawyers/agencies specializing in offshore and "high-risk" first
though as I'm not sure about how this would hold up.

mardigras · 06-07-2005, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAM

I'm also thinking to make it 100% I would have to show some type of transaction of the Domains changing company's - bill of sale or something - this plus moving all the content off USA ground should do it ?

That will make it easier for them to prosecute you if ever encounter US legal problems or if wherever you set your stuff ends up cooperating with US on 2257. It shows a timed effort to circumvent US laws and paper trails it.

Good luck to everyone with all your great ideas for getting around 2257.

06-07-2005, 07:51 AM	#1
RAM They're all hookers, but mom! Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Right now Shelby Twp MI Posts: 7,047	MY 2257 answer - Will it work ? I have been in Europe for the last 1 year 7 day's. In that time I have opened up a business and bought a Apartment "flat". So if I take all my sites that are under RAM Websites LLC and Move them all to RAM Enterprises BT in Hungary. Have my sponsors wire my payments to my business account here "Hungary" Also move my sites to a server here - Then I should not have to change a thing on the web pages ?? Is this right ? Thanks __________________ RAM Fucking Machines are like CASH MACHINES See RAM on these quality sites!! Rightofftheboat.com EuroBrideTryouts.com

06-07-2005, 08:01 AM	#9
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Ram The best way I have found to set up is with an offshore IBC. You can have an IBC in Belize, Nevis or several other countries. I would recommend Belize or Nevis. Then you set up a trust in the Bahamas that owns the IBC bearer shares. That way your name is not on anything connected with the business. The trust and the IBC are safe from US attempts to find you. If you do things right, there is no way for anyone to even know you reside in the US. So there would be no reason to try and pierce the corporate shield. Your name is not attached to the Trust (that holds the "bearer shares" of the IBC) or the IBC itself. It is about as safe as you can get in this world. To get paid, the sponsor just wires the money to the IBC's offshore bank (xyz company, LTD or whatever you decide to call it). Everything is handled offshore. The offshore banks issue ATM cards that allow you to take out usually $10k per callendar month or $5k/week. If you need more than that, you need to get additional ATM cards from different accounts. You can also wire $ to you us bank, but understand that there are risks associated with this. Last edited by Juicy D. Links; 06-07-2005 at 08:02 AM..

06-07-2005, 08:02 AM	#11
RAM They're all hookers, but mom! Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Right now Shelby Twp MI Posts: 7,047	I'm also thinking to make it 100% I would have to show some type of transaction of the Domains changing company's - bill of sale or something - this plus moving all the content off USA ground should do it ? __________________ RAM Fucking Machines are like CASH MACHINES See RAM on these quality sites!! Rightofftheboat.com EuroBrideTryouts.com

06-07-2005, 08:08 AM	#17
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Summary: Having non-US hosting is probably safer than US hosting Having a 2257 page (even if you don't keep any records) that says the info is at [insert non-US address here], is probably safer than not having a 2257 page at all, because US authorities can't search a non-US address to see if the documentation is being kept. Having a lawyer advise you is probably better than reading GFY __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

06-07-2005, 08:24 AM	#23
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,486	If you are doing transactions with americans, you are subject to american laws, whether you live in america or not. That's the simple fact. Because you are outside the US does make it harder to prosecute, but it certainly is possible. If you really want to avoid 2257, you should ideally redirect all US traffic somewhere else. But the chances of anyone doing that are next to none. WG __________________ I play with Google.

06-07-2005, 07:58 AM	#5
Pete-KT Workin With The Devil Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 51,532	Being that you are a US citizen and own the company can be a problem

06-07-2005, 08:04 AM	#13
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	If the money eventually comes back into the country ,you have to have it.

06-07-2005, 09:03 AM	#26
TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	I think once they close the Gitmo base in cuba to terrorists it will free up space to hold a couple thousand webmasters who failed to comply with 2257 or who dreamed up offshore solutions. You can go offshore and maybe get away with it and maybe not. Only 100% solution is to never come back though. __________________ I have no signature

06-07-2005, 09:12 AM	#27
FilthyRob Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anaheim - CA Posts: 6,741	I thought this was gonna be a Like having your asshole licked post. Seriously, your Hungary plan sounds like what most of us would like to do Ram __________________ AKA - Clubsexy

06-07-2005, 02:28 PM	#29
Diligent Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hoy Suecia, mañana Nirvana Posts: 1,594	Interesting matter here: Say company "TropicalIsland XXX/EuroXXX" (which really is operated by Americans) has a couple of paysites... Say they use Verotel/other non-U.S. processor for billing... or an own non-U.S. merchant account etc. Now... In this setup, NO ONE should be subject to any U.S. law or regulations... right? "Wrong! TropicalIsland XXX are dealing with U.S. customers!" No they're not, Verotel/else are though... which aren't subject to U.S. law. In this scenario, the only thing I could think of happening (though HIGHLY unlikely) is: A U.S. blocking/filtering of TropicalIsland XXX's sites. I really doubt that would happen since it would be nothing but a violation of peoples free will to look for porn. Who else could be blocked and thereby cause trouble for TropicalIsland XXX? Verotel, because they deal with U.S. customers? Nope, they're not in any way any kind of producer of sexually explicit content, 2257 shouldn't apply to them. There.. Maybe this is a blueprint for a modus operandi..? Talk it over with a lawyers/agencies specializing in offshore and "high-risk" first though as I'm not sure about how this would hold up. __________________ ~¤~ MORE MONEY ~¤~ VOD? XoD! ~¤~ ~¤~ ICQ# 9828 2461 ~¤~