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gleem · 06-07-2005, 06:21 AM

after the conversation we had yesterday I find this thread moderately disturbing DamageX

fireorange · 06-07-2005, 06:21 AM

David! · 06-07-2005, 06:21 AM

I would say that most sponsors already generate their in-house traffic.

devilspost · 06-07-2005, 06:31 AM

I say write an ebook with all your knowledge and sell that to the masses. You will make allot money (if you can sell it) - practically none of the buyers will ever use any of it to compete. The ones that do you can go in to business with.

ravo · 06-07-2005, 06:36 AM

Any paysite operator that does not explore all sources of traffic generation is missing out on potential profits. It doesn't matter if this is an affiliate program (revshare, PPS, PPC), in house sites (TGPs, freesites, link lists), or purchased traffic (SEs, bulk, targetted).

I think the smart ones are already employing all the possible methods.

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

Even if it's not him, what would posess somebody with the kind of knowledge to participate in something like this?

If you are at the top of the elite pile when it comes to any and all methods of generating traffic you won't want to be travelling around teaching your methods to others without a MASSIVE pay-off which would obviously have to be written by the sponsor... say bye-bye to your increased profit margins from canning affiliates.

Everyone has their own reasons, I have mine. Say a sponsor would be interested in having staff trained to perform the abovementioned tasks. That investment would be a one-time one and while not every sponsor would afford this, it would sure as hell pay off in the long run.

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gleem

after the conversation we had yesterday I find this thread moderately disturbing DamageX

Good thing you replied, reminded me that I need to e-mail you. Let's keep the disturbing factor to moderate, check your e-mail.

AmateurFlix · 06-07-2005, 08:16 AM

DamageX, do you build text sites as well as thumbs? If so contact me sales at amateur-flix.com thanks.

Shags · 06-07-2005, 08:26 AM

They would if they could. But sponsors dont know how to convert traffic.

CraK · 06-07-2005, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

If you actually knew enough about generating traffic to be able to teach Joe Blow off the street how to outperform the top affiliates in the industry you wouldn't be designing $300 TGP's.

Next.

I'm sorry, I just had to laugh at your comments.

It wouldn't hurt to actually know about people's background before trying to make a comment.

The fact that our waiting list for growing sites is over 6 months long, speaks for itself. We're at a point where I have to explain to many people on a daily basis that we are already backlogged, therefore, are not taking anymore orders.

You seem like the kind of person who can use some more knowledge before speaking

PS. Our design services are done by our in-house designer and not directly by DX or myself.

DamageX · 06-07-2005, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CraK

PS. Our design services are done by our in-house designer and not directly by DX or myself.

They are supervised by us though.

marec · 06-07-2005, 10:21 AM

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tony286 · 06-07-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

There's no carved-in-stone idea behind this. However, again, I'm not fishing for site growing jobs, since that seems to be the common misunderstanding among people who reply. One solid part of the idea would be proper training for the staff. Anyone can have staff, hell, you can outsource if you can't find any near you. But to have SKILLED staff, that's a totally different story.

I have to agree , especially when probably 20% of affiliates bring in the real money. To do the rest with a in house staff, makes sense and costs alot less.

QuaWee · 06-07-2005, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nismo

Affiliate programs were opened for 1 main reason: make money off of affiliates.

no shit, lol

crockett · 06-07-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Like i said.

If he can land five programs that take him on 10 tgps. I think he can blow off a few possible small fry clients.

And where do you think he will get traffic to build these TGP's if all sponsors went to no affiliates? No matter how you look at it, the adult web industry depends on mass amounts of affiliates for it's required traffic.

The only thing something like this would be good for would be a smaller scale operations. That don't want to deal with affiliates. No way the big program players could keep their current numbers pushing everything themselves.

fireorange · 06-07-2005, 11:09 AM

DamageX, since many sponsors these days are into getting TGP/MGPs for themselves, what % of your clients are sponsors and what % are affiliates?

NTSS · 06-07-2005, 11:15 AM

Shouldn't this have been done before? Pretty sure it has and still is. Must not be as easy as it sounds.

alan-l · 06-07-2005, 12:27 PM

btw, a few days ago Pimpdog posted a search for people doing this kind of job, no surprise we're seeing this post now

but I'd like to know if Pimpdog found what he was looking for

CraK · 06-07-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

And where do you think he will get traffic to build these TGP's if all sponsors went to no affiliates? No matter how you look at it, the adult web industry depends on mass amounts of affiliates for it's required traffic.

The only thing something like this would be good for would be a smaller scale operations. That don't want to deal with affiliates. No way the big program players could keep their current numbers pushing everything themselves.

I think you missed the point.

What DX was trying to point out was that due to the new 2257 laws, many US webmasters are going to have trouble pushing the same amount of traffic to the sponsors, disagree with me as you please. By not depending on affiliates 100%, you keep pushing traffic to your own sites, in addition to the affiliates that sponsors already have.

If you had an affiliate program and someone offered to teach you everything you needed to know to push out your own tgps/mgps on a massive scale, that you never had to depend on affiliates, would you turn it down?

Lets be real here.

DX might have twisted around the words a bit and that is seemingly causing it to sound a lot more complicated than it actually is.

Would you, or would you not want to be able to have your own source of traffic, instead of depending on others 100%?

How many threads do you see here, everyday, to send 10 signups a day and receive a trip somewhere or some other kind of prize?

How many threads do you see here, everyday, where sponsors offer free listings on the hun, for free, if you promote them?

If a sponsor had the knowledge to generate traffic for themselves on an unlimited level, would they be spamming like that?

On our waiting list, I can count many sponsor programs that want 1 or 2 100k sites done, and this includes some of the biggest programs out there.

The point of this thread was to get feedback from SPONSORS. Nobody would be cut out in this deal, because thats what everyone seems to be worried about [affiliates mostly].

The fact that so many sponsors have been interested in our services to build them a few sites, speaks for itself as to how many of them would like to have their own sources of traffic.

Now, I hope this post clears up some of the confusion that seems to be in the air. Read, comprehend, have a coke and a smile.

CraK · 06-07-2005, 01:45 PM

Another thing I would like to elaborate on, that DX pointed out earlier is that many sponsors have massive amount of hosted galleries of their own.

Since most people run their sites on hosted galleries only, wouldn't it be better if the sponsors created tgps/mgps with massive amounts of traffic that only had their own hosted galleries?

The only people I see in here complaining are the non-sponsors, and the sponsors have told us to hit them up.

I know it is hard to to look at something like this to go through if you're an affiliate, but we're all here to make money. The need of affiliates will always be there, so no need to panic. This is just an offer for the sponsors to increase the level of their traffic, so everyone benefits from it and nobody loses out.

Rui · 06-07-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CraK

The only people I see in here complaining are the non-sponsors, and the sponsors have told us to hit them up.

Don't be so cocky...doesn't look good

CraK · 06-07-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui

Don't be so cocky...doesn't look good

I apologize if I came across as cocky. I just say it how I see it, but it was never my intention to sound that way

Kevsh · 06-07-2005, 02:04 PM

This very philosophy is why I'm working for a Casino company now

taibo · 06-07-2005, 02:06 PM

nice long thread

missnat · 06-07-2005, 04:29 PM

A bump for you DX, Its a good suggestion

Sponsors that dont do own TGPs/MGPs with their own content have missed a one good traffic source ;)

Steve · 06-08-2005, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I have to agree , especially when probably 20% of affiliates bring in the real money. To do the rest with a in house staff, makes sense and costs alot less.

After reading this thread, I'm glad someone finally mentioned this. It's not like sponsors would be looking to cut out their whale accounts. But to deny that 70% - 90% of the affiliates in almost all programs are almost insignificant is unrealistic.

I am not trying to be mean, or put anyone down. The avg webmaster will push 2-10 programs hard, and the rest are just filler, didn't perform as well as hoped, or the webmaster signed up but never has the time to rev up any kind of campaign (because he/she is already getting paid well by the aforementioned 2-10 programs).

I would really like to see just how 2257 shakes out before I would predict if hiring/training a staff to create in-house galleries/sites would be a smart move. My main concern would be the risk of teaching someone how to do this, and they split, and go out on their own, promoting everyone else's program. Right now, that would be a smart move on their part. 2257 might make this a much more difficult option for US citizens, especially web-newbies (albeit, now skilled newbies).

Benja · 06-08-2005, 09:15 AM

Once your well trained staff has built a few sites and they know how to generate traffic, they will not take long to realize the amount of money you do with that traffic, therefore maybe asking for a salary raise, but you would probably end by giving them a commission on the sales, which would be more interesting for you and your employees, making them some... affiliates.

DamageX · 06-08-2005, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Benja

Once your well trained staff has built a few sites and they know how to generate traffic, they will not take long to realize the amount of money you do with that traffic, therefore maybe asking for a salary raise, but you would probably end by giving them a commission on the sales, which would be more interesting for you and your employees, making them some... affiliates.

Hmmm, interesting concept. I guess this makes outsourcing a better option after all. Or at least having a foreign division doing this, set up in a country where leaving you to start out on their own would be too big a risk for the employees.

Steve · 06-08-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Benja

Once your well trained staff has built a few sites and they know how to generate traffic, they will not take long to realize the amount of money you do with that traffic, therefore maybe asking for a salary raise, but you would probably end by giving them a commission on the sales, which would be more interesting for you and your employees, making them some... affiliates.

Back when I worked in the brick and mortor world, you were lucky if the boss actually gave you the raise you were due on time. If you were easy to replace (and 95% of people in a company can be replaced), you just worked for your scheduled raises, or else you'd go on the 'shit list'. Also, most companies I worked for did their best to keep the workforce from knowing what they were making off their backs.

Stop thinking that everyone is an entrepreneur. Not everyone is going to jump out and open up shop for themselves. And if you read the last part of my post, you'll see that I stated it would be attractive IF the new 2257 regs make it much harder for a US based newb to get going in this biz. Like I said, I wouldn't want to produce competition.

DamageX · 06-08-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve

And if you read the last part of my post, you'll see that I stated it would be attractive IF the new 2257 regs make it much harder for a US based newb to get going in this biz. Like I said, I wouldn't want to produce competition.

My bet is on YES.

DamageX · 06-09-2005, 05:07 PM

Let's get more opinions in here. I'm off to bed.

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