Pete, sorry, I no longer use ICQ. It got to the point where I could no longer get anything done due to it interfering with my work all the time. Shoot me an e-mail to damagex at damagex dot com or leave me your e-mail here and I'll contact you. Sorry for the inconvenience.

LOL what about the 6 months of orders you already have :P

Affiliate programs will never go away. They might just change shape, but they'll never go away altogether.

I was talking about hiring people that know what they are doing, don't tell me you actualy belive somebody "trained" can do as good as somebody with +5 years of experience... :2 cents:

There's no such thing as a stupid student, only stupid teachers whose methods stink.

And once you train these staff, don't you think the good ones will leave the company when they find out they can make more money on their own!

How often do good salesmen leave the stores they work for, to make more on their own? Some people are never suited for being entrepreneurial, they'd rather see a solid paycheck come in every week. They're not cut out to take the risk of going on their own and no longer having the guarantee of making rent every month. Just because this industry is full of entrepreneurial type people doesn't mean that some wouldn't prefer a job instead.

Thats wishfull thinking to say the least :2 cents:

email me please PeteKT at samscash.com

design nothing do with traffic, and your design work is worster than $65" designers

If you actually knew enough about generating traffic to be able to teach Joe Blow off the street how to outperform the top affiliates in the industry you wouldn't be designing $300 TGP's.

Next.

While I disagree with most of his "ideas" on this subject I don't think he was impliying he would be the one teaching people :2 cents:

Heh... he does do a bit more than that :winkwink:

Even if it's not him, what would posess somebody with the kind of knowledge to participate in something like this?

If you are at the top of the elite pile when it comes to any and all methods of generating traffic you won't want to be travelling around teaching your methods to others without a MASSIVE pay-off which would obviously have to be written by the sponsor... say bye-bye to your increased profit margins from canning affiliates.

I've already been down this road before and it ends in an inescapable catch-22.

The sponsors that can afford the services don't need them.
The sponsors that need the services can't afford them.

I also said something among those lines ;)

Traffic is also a zero-sum game.

If you teach more and more people your methods the smaller the pie gets and the less people will be willing to pay you.

Focusing on something like increasing member retention & cross sales gives you much more scalability.

it is impossible

:pimp :pimp

after the conversation we had yesterday I find this thread moderately disturbing DamageX :disgust

:mad: :mad:

I would say that most sponsors already generate their in-house traffic.

I say write an ebook with all your knowledge and sell that to the masses. You will make allot money (if you can sell it) - practically none of the buyers will ever use any of it to compete. The ones that do you can go in to business with.

Any paysite operator that does not explore all sources of traffic generation is missing out on potential profits. It doesn't matter if this is an affiliate program (revshare, PPS, PPC), in house sites (TGPs, freesites, link lists), or purchased traffic (SEs, bulk, targetted).

I think the smart ones are already employing all the possible methods.

Everyone has their own reasons, I have mine. Say a sponsor would be interested in having staff trained to perform the abovementioned tasks. That investment would be a one-time one and while not every sponsor would afford this, it would sure as hell pay off in the long run.

Good thing you replied, reminded me that I need to e-mail you. Let's keep the disturbing factor to moderate, check your e-mail. :winkwink:

DamageX, do you build text sites as well as thumbs? If so contact me sales at amateur-flix.com thanks.

They would if they could. But sponsors dont know how to convert traffic.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I'm sorry, I just had to laugh at your comments.

It wouldn't hurt to actually know about people's background before trying to make a comment.

The fact that our waiting list for growing sites is over 6 months long, speaks for itself. We're at a point where I have to explain to many people on a daily basis that we are already backlogged, therefore, are not taking anymore orders.

You seem like the kind of person who can use some more knowledge before speaking :upsidedow

PS. Our design services are done by our in-house designer and not directly by DX or myself.

They are supervised by us though. :winkwink:

damage , contatc me pls ..

thanx

marcel
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I have to agree , especially when probably 20% of affiliates bring in the real money. To do the rest with a in house staff, makes sense and costs alot less.

no shit, lol

And where do you think he will get traffic to build these TGP's if all sponsors went to no affiliates? No matter how you look at it, the adult web industry depends on mass amounts of affiliates for it's required traffic.

The only thing something like this would be good for would be a smaller scale operations. That don't want to deal with affiliates. No way the big program players could keep their current numbers pushing everything themselves.

DamageX, since many sponsors these days are into getting TGP/MGPs for themselves, what % of your clients are sponsors and what % are affiliates?

Shouldn't this have been done before? Pretty sure it has and still is. Must not be as easy as it sounds.

btw, a few days ago Pimpdog posted a search for people doing this kind of job, no surprise we're seeing this post now :winkwink: but I'd like to know if Pimpdog found what he was looking for

I think you missed the point.

What DX was trying to point out was that due to the new 2257 laws, many US webmasters are going to have trouble pushing the same amount of traffic to the sponsors, disagree with me as you please. By not depending on affiliates 100%, you keep pushing traffic to your own sites, in addition to the affiliates that sponsors already have.

If you had an affiliate program and someone offered to teach you everything you needed to know to push out your own tgps/mgps on a massive scale, that you never had to depend on affiliates, would you turn it down?

Lets be real here.

DX might have twisted around the words a bit and that is seemingly causing it to sound a lot more complicated than it actually is.

Would you, or would you not want to be able to have your own source of traffic, instead of depending on others 100%?

How many threads do you see here, everyday, to send 10 signups a day and receive a trip somewhere or some other kind of prize?

How many threads do you see here, everyday, where sponsors offer free listings on the hun, for free, if you promote them?

If a sponsor had the knowledge to generate traffic for themselves on an unlimited level, would they be spamming like that?

On our waiting list, I can count many sponsor programs that want 1 or 2 100k sites done, and this includes some of the biggest programs out there.

The point of this thread was to get feedback from SPONSORS. Nobody would be cut out in this deal, because thats what everyone seems to be worried about [affiliates mostly].

The fact that so many sponsors have been interested in our services to build them a few sites, speaks for itself as to how many of them would like to have their own sources of traffic.

Now, I hope this post clears up some of the confusion that seems to be in the air. Read, comprehend, have a coke and a smile.

Another thing I would like to elaborate on, that DX pointed out earlier is that many sponsors have massive amount of hosted galleries of their own.

Since most people run their sites on hosted galleries only, wouldn't it be better if the sponsors created tgps/mgps with massive amounts of traffic that only had their own hosted galleries?

The only people I see in here complaining are the non-sponsors, and the sponsors have told us to hit them up.

I know it is hard to to look at something like this to go through if you're an affiliate, but we're all here to make money. The need of affiliates will always be there, so no need to panic. This is just an offer for the sponsors to increase the level of their traffic, so everyone benefits from it and nobody loses out.