Early for you maybe, I've been awake for three hours... Wife woke me up when she got up for work. :(

I know of a lot of affiliates who make over $3000 a day. I know of even more who make over $1000 a day. I know of a lot of them who make that much for single programs from traffic sources that would take a very long time and a very large staff to establish.

Looking at a few examples, Lightspeeds top 100. $50,000 a month the Lightspeed organization would lose tomorrow if they went to your solution and then waiting for you to actually build the traffic generating this cash.

Or take a smaller fish like Glamcash, They'd be out $15,000 a month in the top 10 alone. To someone there size it'd be a major fuck up.

Now take a large program like Nasty Dollars... They would lose as much as $10,000 to $20,000 a DAY.

#1. No sponsor without a need for affiliates can pay $50 - 100K all at once.
#2. What feeder traffic? Without affiliates and their sites, free, tgp, 404'd, etc, traffic would be GOOGLE, YAHOO and MSN only.

i thought most sponsors already drive traffic inhouse?

#1. I meant ON THE SIDE.

#2. I thought you were smarter than this. Sorry.

well, it's an idea. I'd say an OLD idea, but an idea anyway. There are quite a bunch of programs not taking affiliates, ours between those. And of course, we need to get traffic. Building a pro, reliable staff, whether it's inhouse or outsourced is very important, but just a part of it, unless you love to throw the traffic (money) to the bin

I don't know the details of your idea, however, if it's just build TGP or MGP, it won't work at all for certain programs. After all, all sponsors would be doing it if it was that easy. We had to experiment a lot, we spent (not invest: SPENT) some money to learn from our own mistakes and finally we're quite happy with what we got, but be warned: this is not for everyone. And it's absolutely non sense for big sponsors (1000+ affiliates plus some whales), it will only work for medium to small sponsors, and that provided they know what they're doing

You should REALLY take the time to read the entire thread...

I guess I am not school me... I am sure you will say something like, from a traffic source, that is actually an aggrigator of traffic from other sources...

of course :pimp

There's no carved-in-stone idea behind this. However, again, I'm not fishing for site growing jobs, since that seems to be the common misunderstanding among people who reply. One solid part of the idea would be proper training for the staff. Anyone can have staff, hell, you can outsource if you can't find any near you. But to have SKILLED staff, that's a totally different story.

woj! :pimp :pimp

Programs rely on innovative webmasters to bring traffic from all sorts of sources.

This will never change.

i agree with damagex :thumbsup

And you should learn why Apple doesn't make its own processors... Or why GM buys car parts from other people... Or why the greese in bearings isn't made by the people who fabricated the bearings... Or why book publishers don't make the glue that holds the books together... Or why GFY doesn't just post its own ads... and everyother affiliate doesn't just create its own board... or...

You're psychic, aren't you? :)

Anyway, you mentioned affiliates, all types of adult sites, 404 traffic and search engines. You omitted purchased traffic, which I was referring to in the first place.

A staff member can never replace a motivated affiliate. Never.

And besides: im a fucking idiot.. nex to adwords i wouldnt have a clue where to pull traffic from. Every project i have running is based on affiliates as its engine.

I would be lost!!

Right, and where do you think purchased traffic comes from? It is aggrigated from the afformentioned places I specified.

There's a graph that illustrates the advantages of producing in-house versus buying, versus outsourcing. I'll try locating it. Simply, it deals with an economy-of-scale concept. However, it applies to most manufacturing industries and not the online adult industry.

See, I told you you were psychic. :)

Yes, it's aggregated from the abovementioned sources. You didn't get my point though, so I won't draw out this argument anymore.

Affiliate programs were opened for 1 main reason: make money off of affiliates.

DamageX contact me
We would probably be interested
:winkwink:

Damn, that makes so much sense... Wonder why I never figured this out until now? :)

lol

)))))))))))))

bottom line is 2257 should have no affect on non-us webmasters. And there are plenty of very good affiliate programs out there that are also not US owned.

You've got mail.

This is mere speculation. As well as it's speculation to think that non-US affiliate programs may well be shut out of selling to the US. This can go either way, so I'd say your safest bet, in order to keep selling porn to US customers, would be to comply.

You didn't get my point... If you don't have affiliates, you don't have TGP's either... or other sources for aggrigating traffic. You think theHun.net is going to host over 3 million hits a day in bandwidth for free?

affiliates are good.. inhouse people are good. Call me the fucking weaver but this either or argument is stupid... proggies aren't going to get rid of affiliates.. affiliates shouldn't make up 100% of your traffic. done.

see sig.

Not necessarily. However, I think I may have given the wrong impression here, as advocating cutting affiliates loose altogether. Wasn't my intention, of course doing something like that would be utterly stupid, if your current business model is based on affiliates promoting your paysites.

Spot on.

You got this whole sig spot thing all wrong. Bad sigwhore. :)

I think I am finally starting to see your point.. And I agree with it in part. But I guess the underlying fact is that the market will shape itself. Currently most affiliate programs became affiliate programs because they didn't want to do what affiliates do or to escape out of being an affiliate.

Though, I guess with the power of suggesting, a lot of things can change. I am sure there are a lot of smaller spondors out there who'd like to increase their traffic flow and possibly even keep the affiliates around too.

My point exactly. Lots of sponsors have, by now, quite a decent amount of freehosted galleries, either created by them as FHG's, or created by affiliates and freehosted by the sponsors themselves. Now, this would mean quite an amount of 404, which most sponsors sell to brokers or whatnot. Now, imagine you had a crew of 10 people, all working at shaping up trading sites, couldn't you put that 404 to better use?

One of the reasons why I think many sponsors have done this yet is because doing this would mean either taking time off from what they're currently doing (namely managing the business) and teaching staff how to grow sites (many sponsors have histories of TGP-ing and CJ-ing), or hiring staff who already knows what to do. Most people who already know what they're doing won't come cheap. Taking time off from managing the business to train staff might end them up with a higher alternative cost. Basically, people like sticking to what they do best and makes them most money.

What I'm thinking here is, has it ever occured to anyone that they could hire someone to train their staff?

More opinions, please?

You ever tried to train a bunch of lazy morons? Workers that call in sick, steal etc.. Fuck that LOL

Oh I see, you would go in and do training seminars for a company get paid trying to teach thier workers how to get traffic?

aren't quite some programs doing this allready next to having regular affiliates?

This is a flawed idea, what makes you think that the people that get results done (mind you with several sponsors) would want to downgrade to a monthly paycheck for much less money...

DamageX can you please contact me on icq

Yes, I have.

Someone's starting to use them greys. :)

Who said anything about people downgrading? Hire new staff and train them to do a job and do it well.

could work, but as an affiliate my self I rather not see it work :upsidedow