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What will gallery submitters do when free content goes away?
If hosted galleries are the only option that sponsors will give you will you still promote them? Will you still be able to?
I can see most of the TGP's that have been filling up with their own hosted galleries axing submissions all together if the only thing people are submitting are the same hosted galleries that they can get on their own.

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FilthyRob

having your own paysites and doing your own galleries is an option

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JD

they'll comit suicide

candyflip

The same thing they did before sponsors started giving tons of it away.

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After Shock Media

You mean they will actually do some work?

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Paraskass

stfu with stupid 2257 threads.
just shut the fuck up.

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WarChild

Who exactly is taking away content? So far so good for every single one of my sponsors.

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Buddy

Some of here actually make a living in the industry and are therefore concerned about the impact the new 2257 regs will have. I realize to a surfer it doesn't make much of a difference.

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Alex

I would like to know who is not giving out free content as well.
Most are still giving it out along with 2257 docs.

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andrej_NDC

more than 50% of all submitters are non US webmasters, so there will be a plenty of galleries to choose from anyway

dopeman

i just read extreme paychecks is. care to name anyone else?

Buddy

Lightspeed is the first major sponsor I have seen:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=476823

But I think more will come. What sponsor is going to want to risk being held liable for some model getting stalked or killed because they gave her personal info out?

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WarChild

Yeah I noticed lightspeed. I don't sell them much anyway so that doesn't really change much for me. Almost everyone else is going to let non US webmasters continue business as normal though from what I can tell.

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Buddy

And 65% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

What is happening here will effect everyone, US or not. Don't pretend it won't.

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Alex

That 65% is of 80% statistics. The other 20% are true.

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WarChild

I've heard straight from the camel's mouth, so to speak, from major sponsors paying me more than 5K a month that they don't feel it's their job to police non US affiliates with US laws. Maybe I'm just lucky.

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Wizzo

I feel like a old guy now, "back in my day we bought content to build galleries"...haha

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WarChild

It just doesn't make sense to do that anymore. Especially for a sponsor, paying per sign up on trials and using exclusive content on their site. When you're paying out on trials you'd think you would want the surfer to be able to find the exact content he was expecting when he signed up.

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Buddy

That's interesting and may well be the case. That's part of the reason that I started this thread, we are all hearing different things from different people. If we start piecing those things together we may get a look at the big picture.

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andrej_NDC

of course it does less webmasters, more money for those who continue

3piece chicken Dinner

click your own link and read Steve's post again. He is still providing "free" content. My god people you act as if you can't promote sites without giving away the money shots to the surfer.

As for submitters, I feel really bad for the great ones. because now anyone with the ability to adapt will purchase their own content and hold their own records and submit at will. Grab a copy of EXCEL create your data base.

Oh and if they cut a thumb from an explicit image in their galleries provide model ID's and Doc's to the TGP's that they are submitting too. Ones that are based in the US will need that info.

See Submitting made simple.

Now push some traffic to your sponsor's and hire an attny

alan-l

so you assume gallery submitters depends on sponsors content? Maybe some of them, but did you ever thought about submitters submitting galleries for their own sites, submitters buying content, submitters outside US, submitters that steal content, submitters that will use sponsor content in free hosts and give a fuck about 2257 and the list goes on. I don't think the submitters are specially concerned with this, maybe the serious ones, but they usually have all their stuff in order so no big deal

alan-l

you're 100% right on that, reason why we only submit exclusive content galleries only if it's for our own sites. As an example, a few weeks ago Topbucks launched a promo to promote their new exclusive content sites. They didn't provide a single image to promote it, so how the fuck do they expect those sites to be promoted? Happily we told our design guy about this (he's a bloody creative brain) and he found out a solution that allowed us to enter that promo and make some nice bucks. But not everybody has him, so how the fuck do exclusive content sites expect their sites to be promoted? They barely have 15-20 episodes and those are saturated (killing the whole exclusive content concept in the process)

However, I'm not afraid of 2257, furthermore, we were talking a lot with my partner and lawyers and we expect a rise in income

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Matt_WildCash

Free content WILL NOT go away overnight stop even thinking this.

Pornwolf

This will barely even slow down free content. Most of the free porn seems to come from outside of the US anyway.

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Tempest

Not going to happen.. Some are still suppling content and will continue to supply it.. And those that take the knee jerk approach will quickly change their tune and start supplying content again when their traffic starts to drop. It's ALL about the money.

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tradermcduck

I agree on that

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Matt_WildCash

Cheap non US hosting given to affilates FREE + non US sponsor + sponsor gives free domain owned by sponsor = Carry on as usual folks nothing to see here.

For gallery submitters anyhow.

DamageX

Some sponsors WILL police non-US affiliates, as not doing so will put their US affiliates at a disadvantage. Not so much financially, maybe, but they'll most definitely have to put in some extra effort to make sure they comply.

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Paul Markham

The future is going to be interesting that's for sure.

The belief that free content drives all the traffic is BS. I know the truth based on the sales we get on www.bargainbasementcontent.com just how many buy content to drive traffic. A lot more webmasters buy it than sponsors that's for sure.

Reasons are simple, unless the site has an exclusive twist or style, like Perfect Gonzo or Bang Bus there is bought content that will do the job.

I'm finding some sponsors are still using free content they bought 2 years ago. Any affiliate using that content will soon find out why freesites don't want it.

Sponsors will often buy on price when purchasing content for affilaites. They want a deal on stuff they will saturate.

If you can't afford to buy a $10 set you control it's use on, what you do with the traffic you drive with it and that is intended to get you sales then you are in trouble.

Free content will continue and it will have an effect. But is does not rule the traffic business. Webmasters making real money will continue to buy content and more will see the benefits.

Sponsors have the options of giving out hardcore and IDs and risk getting sued, or giong softcore and/ot hosted galleries.

On our paysite we will give out free content without IDs to non US webmasters and the free hosted galleries. All content will be updated all the time so our affilaites are not submitting old crap.

http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/affiliates/

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iwantchixx

Charly, you're so full of shit it's seeping from your ears. You're way too overly fucking biased to make an opinion on this as you sell content yourself.

Almost every TGP I frequent is 75% sponsor content. People sell with what is being sold. It will always be that way. Saying that "Webmasters making real money will continue to buy content" is just a form of your marketing. You're bullshitting on so many levels. Just because someone doesn't buy your content doesn't mean they aren't making "real" money. I use mostly sponsor content and sales are no less than with bought content for the traffic levels generated. Ultimately, it's up to marketing, use of the content, traffic and the site being sold that makes the bottom line impact.

Selling exclusive sites needs exclusive content to really work well. While bought content is good for mega sites and other forms of marketing nothing works as well as using the same content found in the members area on your galleries. While listings are better with bought content because TGP webmasters are frowning upon people submitting content that can be seen on the same sites they promote with hosted galleries that they sue themselves and because they like to bite the hand that feeds them it all comes down to how much money is made. Submitters want to make more money, so they cut costs and use what sells best.... the content found in the sites being promoted.

Have you ever actually ran a gallery campaign besides promoting your sites? You seem to think that your sites are different than anyone elses. You still provide "sponsor" content and you are no different. Almost all sponsors update their free content often so nobody is submitting the same old "crap" as you put it. Stop trying to make yourself out to be the one and only holy grail exception to your biased theory.


Take your creative spam elsewhere's and shove it up your tight wad spamming ass.

I'm sick of biased individuals such as yourself spreading propaganda to fatten your own wallet and misinforming webmasters.

Your sites are no different from every one else's in aspect of "saturation". If you took your own advice one would have to say that you are saying promoting your sites with bought content is the only way to net sales and that using your provided "sponsor" content means your affiliates will never make "real" money.

iwantchixx

oh and BTW, basing the "truth" on how many content sales you have is nor here nor there. For every content set providers sell, there are 10 (guestimating) more webmasters using sponsor's content. Unless I am wrong and you have exact figures on how many galleries are made per day by everyone in the world and you compare that to how much you sell.

DamageX

iwantchixx, give Paul a break. Regardless of how much you flame him, he won't change, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

I honestly expected him to pop in here and post some creative spam. Just wondering what took him so long.

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Problem with some is they look at the world from their point of view and shoot people down for doing the same.

So you do well or better with sponsor content, good for you. Do you think I could maintain this business with only sponsors buying? Or even them being the major buyers?

Or are you saying sponsors are the guys buying a Bargain Basement $10 set 100 times, to give to affialites to use 1000 times?

You look at the world through your eyes and deny the existance of any other view. I never said webmasters only use sponsor content, I said

"A lot more webmasters buy it than sponsors that's for sure." I also said

"The belief that free content drives all the traffic is BS."

But you say that's full of shit, so I must be wrong.

As for old crap content being used, would you like me to name the sponsors chasing me for IDs so they can continue to give content, they bought two years ago, to affilaites.

So on your statement, TGPs sites give better listings to fresh content and 10% of webmasters use bought content. 10% of affiliates is a lot of buyers.

And not just me, go look at the content providers who do allow their content to be given to affialites. Some are finding it more profitable to sell to 20 guys who use it themselves than 20 guys who give it to 1,000.

But in answer to this thread, I think it will decline in usage.

Simply because a lot of it is hardcore and documents cannot be given out to affiliates, some of the recipients will not want their addresses made public and the galleries will be listing hardcore when they have the option.

Might be wrong, but about affiliates buying content, that I'm right on.

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DamageX

Actually, on this I need to say that you are full of shit. Free content DOES drive all the traffic, that's why TGP's, MGP's, galleries and linklists are called FREE SITES. The content within them is FREE for the surfer. It's used to move traffic to paysites. Just curious where all paysites would get their traffic from, if it wasn't for their affiliates spewing out free sites. They'd probably have to either build their own, using the same methods, or buy it from advertisers, who'd probably use free content to drive traffic in the first place.

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Nicky

when pushing a exclusive content reality site id very much like to use content that comes from that site, my guess is that ratios will drop 50% if u use other content to promote it.....

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Mefo

jup that's true back in the days there weren't those reality sites so it was easy to promote the sites with content that you could buy.....

aah the good old days where people still bought their own content

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I meant free content that is given to affilaites, sorry if I did not make that clear enough.

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Paul Markham

Yes, but that would be as appropriate as driving traffic to a bondage site with teeny content. The content should always match the target site.

We have a guy buying content to send it to a site that we will not sell to, he still buys and maintains our stuff does better because it's fresher and less used.

One of the things that some affiliates encounter is KNOWING what to buy. They know how to build a gallery, submit it but when it comes to choosing content they are lacking something. How many threads do I see here of girls many call hot, but I would not shoot?

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