Are there any US host planing on setting up shop outside of the US due to 2257? - GoFuckYourself.com

Quotealex · 05-21-2005, 04:48 AM

I'm seriously considering moving my content sites out of servers located in the US du to this 2257. I wonder if US hosts will follow some of their clients and setup shops in more "porn friendlier" countries!

MegaBondage · 05-21-2005, 04:49 AM

It doesnt matter where the server is.

Example I have a server in China, but I still live in the USA.

Or I have an office in china with the servers in Russia but my corporation is in the USA.

BRISK · 05-21-2005, 04:52 AM

Why not just host with companies that are already outside of the US? Why do you think you need to wait for a US hosting company to setup in another country?

MegaBondage · 05-21-2005, 04:52 AM

Brisk, there problem is
It doesnt matter where you host.

If you reside in the USA you are applicable to it's laws.

BRISK · 05-21-2005, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaBondage

Brisk, there problem is
It doesnt matter where you host.

If you reside in the USA you are applicable to it's laws.

Are you aware that there are people that don't live in America?

sumphatpimp · 05-21-2005, 04:55 AM

yank the ip from the nameserver and you are history.
where the server is means nothing.

MegaBondage · 05-21-2005, 04:56 AM

Yes, but MOST of the people on this board DO live in America.

fris · 05-21-2005, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaBondage

Yes, but MOST of the people on this board DO live in America.

?

check again. most of it lives in europe and canada

BRISK · 05-21-2005, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaBondage

Yes, but MOST of the people on this board DO live in America.

Did you happen to see the nick of the person who started this thread?

MegaBondage · 05-21-2005, 04:58 AM

Did you happren to read his question?

I'm seriously considering moving my content sites out of servers located in the US du to this 2257. I wonder if US hosts will follow some of their clients and setup shops in more "porn friendlier" countries!

See where it says US

As in United States

Like yea know, United States of Crapmerica?

For anyone in the USA it doesnt matter where they send a server too or where it is hosted, IF THEY LIVE IN THE USA then they are affected by the law regardless of where the server/hosting company is at. If they live out of America but USE an American coproration to host their adult their site must still be compliant.

Hinc · 05-21-2005, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Are you aware that there are people that don't live in America?

Tell that to Bush. He seems to have missed that point.

BRISK · 05-21-2005, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaBondage

Did you happren to read his question?

I'm seriously considering moving my content sites out of servers located in the US du to this 2257. I wonder if US hosts will follow some of their clients and setup shops in more "porn friendlier" countries!

See where it says US

As in United States

Like yea know, United States of Crapmerica?

For anyone in the USA it doesnt matter where they send a server too or where it is hosted, IF THEY LIVE IN THE USA then they are affected by the law regardless of where the server/hosting company is at. If they live out of America but USE an American coproration to host their adult their site must still be compliant.

See where his nickname says "Alex from Montreal"?

Do you know where Montreal is?

MegaBondage · 05-21-2005, 05:02 AM

Dude, you should read this whole thread over again.

mikeylikesit · 05-21-2005, 05:03 AM

"Foreign producers who wish to peddle their products in the United States should be expected to abide by our laws no less than domestic producers."

direct quote from a US court of appeals and it means if your business has any contact with the US whatsoever then you are affected

Quotealex · 05-21-2005, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Why not just host with companies that are already outside of the US? Why do you think you need to wait for a US hosting company to setup in another country?

I'm not waiting for US hosts to setup costs to setup elsewhere, I'm waiting for the 2257 to take effect before I decide what my next move will be. Tho I'd like to know if hosting companies in the US will start having servers/offices in other countries so that they don't lose some of their clients....

mardigras · 05-21-2005, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal

I'm seriously considering moving my content sites out of servers located in the US du to this 2257. I wonder if US hosts will follow some of their clients and setup shops in more "porn friendlier" countries!

Who are your domains registered with? They also need to be with a non US company. Be sure to also remove links to any US sponsors.

MegaBondage · 05-21-2005, 05:05 AM

Well I dont think the domain name itself has any effect on 2257 laws at all...

Hinc · 05-21-2005, 05:06 AM

Hmmm...btw...what good dedicated server hosting is currently available outside US?

mardigras · 05-21-2005, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal

I'm not waiting for US hosts to setup costs to setup elsewhere, I'm waiting for the 2257 to take effect before I decide what my next move will be. Tho I'd like to know if hosting companies in the US will start having servers/offices in other countries so that they don't lose some of their clients....

Are saying they move their servers to other countries but continue to do business in the US? If any of the money goes to anyone in the US they are conducting business in the US and fall under US laws.

Quotealex · 05-21-2005, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaBondage

. If they live out of America but USE an American coproration to host their adult their site must still be compliant.

That is what I don't like

BRISK · 05-21-2005, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaBondage

Dude, you should read this whole thread over again.

You said: "If you reside in the USA you are applicable to it's laws."

I told you to look at the nickname of the person who started this thread.

mardigras · 05-21-2005, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaBondage

Well I dont think the domain name itself has any effect on 2257 laws at all...

Fine. Register your names in the US and host offshore and violate US laws. Go ahead.

BRISK · 05-21-2005, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hinc

Hmmm...btw...what good dedicated server hosting is currently available outside US?

I know some people who host with: www.mainswitch.com

mardigras · 05-21-2005, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal

That is what I don't like

Why? If you are in the US and laundry money through a foreign bank should you no longer fall under the US laws for money laundrying?

CheneyRumsfeld · 05-21-2005, 05:15 AM

little fuckers are cute when they try to think aren't they?
LOL

the truth is whatever country you want to sell in, you must comply with the laws of that country.
noone cares where you live. only you.
and the server? who gives a shit!

mardigras · 05-21-2005, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CheneyRumsfeld

little fuckers are cute when they try to think aren't they?
LOL

the truth is whatever country you want to sell in, you must comply with the laws of that country.
noone cares where you live. only you.
and the server? who gives a shit!

Every week there are at least a couple that declare they have found the answer by hosting off shore and don't want to hear the reasons why they are wrong

Hinc · 05-21-2005, 05:21 AM

But...if someone was living in Nigeria, hosting in bangladesh and billing in Russia...well he might violate the laws in US (and Panama and Nepal for that matter), but he´d be hard to do something to....

CheneyRumsfeld · 05-21-2005, 05:22 AM

yes! but they are such fun to watch!
LOL

CheneyRumsfeld · 05-21-2005, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hinc

But...if someone was living in Nigeria, hosting in bangladesh and billing in Russia...well he might violate the laws in US (and Panama and Nepal for that matter), but he´d be hard to do something to....

very easy really.
you just pull his ip from the nameservers.
now he doesn't exist!

mardigras · 05-21-2005, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Hinc

But...if someone was living in Nigeria, hosting in bangladesh and billing in Russia...well he might violate the laws in US (and Panama and Nepal for that matter), but he´d be hard to do something to....

Besides the nameserver issue just mentioned, this person has 3 other countries laws to contend with and has to hope they don't cooperate with the US in any prosecutions.

BRISK · 05-21-2005, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CheneyRumsfeld

very easy really.
you just pull his ip from the nameservers.
now he doesn't exist!

So if a Japanese resident has a Japanese adult website hosted in Japan, and uses JCB Card for billing, but doesn't have any 2257 info, you think the US government is going to try and pull their IP from the nameservers?

CheneyRumsfeld · 05-21-2005, 06:01 AM

ofcourse!
thats what they done in China

breaker · 05-21-2005, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

So if a Japanese resident has a Japanese adult website hosted in Japan, and uses JCB Card for billing, but doesn't have any 2257 info, you think the US government is going to try and pull their IP from the nameservers?

Not if he has a .jp domain ;)

mardigras · 05-21-2005, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CheneyRumsfeld

ofcourse!
thats what they done in China

How soon they forget

WhoGivesaShit · 05-21-2005, 07:07 AM

the smart thing to do is sell out now before your site becomes worthless.
thats what the smart money is doing.

mardigras · 05-21-2005, 07:09 AM

If you don't think the US government can shut down sites outside of the US, just Google Indymedia.

Antonio · 05-21-2005, 07:16 AM

oh fuck, the sky is falling again, that happens here how often, every 2-3 months?

BRISK · 05-21-2005, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

If you don't think the US government can shut down sites outside of the US, just Google Indymedia.

www.indymedia.org isn't shut down, and suspected support of terrorism is a little more serious than simply forgetting to put some 2257 on a webpage with naked pictures of some 50 year old woman.

Also, Rackspace is a US company.

WhoGivesaShit · 05-21-2005, 07:26 AM

indymedia.org is a pr/7

swedguy · 05-21-2005, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CheneyRumsfeld

ofcourse!
thats what they done in China

That's because China wanted to get rid of internet pornography and not pressures from the US, right?

BRISK · 05-21-2005, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by swedguy

That's because China wanted to get rid of internet pornography and not pressures from the US, right?

China tries to block its citizens from seeing porn and foreign news sources. Although, I've heard they're not very successful at doing it, people just use proxys and stuff to get around it.

swedguy · 05-21-2005, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

China tries to block its citizens from seeing porn and foreign news sources. Although, I've heard they're not very successful at doing it, people just use proxys and stuff to get around it.

True. They're also trying to close down porn sites that are hosted in China.

mardigras · 05-21-2005, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

www.indymedia.org isn't shut down, and suspected support of terrorism is a little more serious than simply forgetting to put some 2257 on a webpage with naked pictures of some 50 year old woman.

Also, Rackspace is a US company.

The seized servers were in London, England.

Sections from http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Indymedia/ :

Two Internet servers, known as ahimsa1 and ahimsa2, provided space to more than 20 Independent Media Centers in the United States and around the world, offering independent journalists a soapbox upon which to speak in a public forum. Independent Media Centers are autonomous portions of Indymedia, a global collective of independent media organizations and thousands of journalists offering grassroots, non-corporate coverage of news events. IMCs publish information often missed by mainstream media organizations, and offer unique perspectives on world events. The IMC content is widely read, with the two servers transmitting over 3.2 terabytes of information a month, serving over 18 million page views a month.

Through the Ahimsa servers, Indymedia IMCs had access to Internet services for news websites and an online radio server. The hosted websites included local IMCs from Western Massachusetts, Andorra, Brazil, the Czech Republic, Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Galzia, Italy, Poland, Portugal, the United Kingdom, Uruguay, multiple sites from France and Belgium, and popular Indymedia Internet radio streams. The Internet radio streams used the domain radio.uk1.indymedia.org, providing about ten streams to the public.

The servers provided email services for BLAG (Brixton Linux Action Group), syndicate.org.uk, and foref.org (For Refugees), and a beta test email service at indymail.org. The servers also contained an archive of the email communications from the ahimsa techs.

In addition, the servers hosted www.blagblagblag.org, a website offering BLAG (BLAG Linux And GNU), a version of the GNU/Linux operating system, along with technical support and forums for communicating about the software.

BRISK · 05-21-2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

The seized servers were in London, England

Yes, and they were hosted by Rackspace, a US company. Which is probably why the FBI handed Rackspace the court order instead of Indymedia.

Indymedia.org was suspected of supporting terrorism and they were being hosted by a US company, so it's not really surprising that Rackspace handed over the servers.

That scenario doesn't prove that US authorities can just wander all over the world taking whatever servers they want.

directfiesta · 05-21-2005, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Are you aware that there are people that don't live in America?

That's .... UN-American

PS: I already mirrored my sites with servers in Montreal. I also have a Euro Billing setup. If the shit comes nearer on the horizon, a flick of the switch and it is " Asta la Vista US "

directfiesta · 05-21-2005, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CheneyRumsfeld

ofcourse!
thats what they done in China

So you are confirming that the " Free Usa " has regressed to the " opressed China " level....

Nice.

mardigras · 05-21-2005, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Indymedia.org was suspected of supporting terrorism

So... if someone opens up a Google Group that is suspected of supporting terrorism should we expect to see the Google/Yahoo servers turned over until the matter is sorted?

xxxdesign-net · 05-21-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CheneyRumsfeld

little fuckers are cute when they try to think aren't they?
LOL

the truth is whatever country you want to sell in, you must comply with the laws of that country.
noone cares where you live. only you.
and the server? who gives a shit!

country you want to sell IN ? If I sell a membership to an american.. THat american is coming to ME .... We sell beer to 18yo americans here..

SplitInfinity · 05-21-2005, 12:25 PM

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DWB · 05-21-2005, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

Besides the nameserver issue just mentioned, this person has 3 other countries laws to contend with and has to hope they don't cooperate with the US in any prosecutions.

Your missing the point. The USA has to first issue a warrant for your arrest before any such action would even be discussed with a foreign government. They are not going to extradite you just so the USA can search your records. That's not going to happen and every country on earth would laugh at that request.

Just because you host, bill and live abroad does not mean your in trouble. You would first have to deny the USA access to your records. Then they would have to issue a warrant. Then they would have to negotiate with the government that controls the country you are in, bill in and host in... MAYBE they will assist the USA on such a bull shit matter. Maybe not.

There are plenty of countries that will not extradite people for rape and murder, they would laugh hysterically at the US request to do so over documents that may not even be illegal.

The bottom line is this. The porn industry will evolve over this and the smart hosting, billing and domain registrars who are not already overseas, will set up there to avoid this bullshit.

It's time for another step in porn evolution...

Bring it on.

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05-21-2005, 04:49 AM	#2
MegaBondage So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Dungeon Posts: 101	It doesnt matter where the server is. Example I have a server in China, but I still live in the USA. Or I have an office in china with the servers in Russia but my corporation is in the USA.

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sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	yank the ip from the nameserver and you are history. where the server is means nothing.

05-21-2005, 04:56 AM	#7
MegaBondage So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Dungeon Posts: 101	Yes, but MOST of the people on this board DO live in America.

05-21-2005, 04:58 AM	#10
MegaBondage So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Dungeon Posts: 101	Did you happren to read his question? I'm seriously considering moving my content sites out of servers located in the US du to this 2257. I wonder if US hosts will follow some of their clients and setup shops in more "porn friendlier" countries! See where it says US As in United States Like yea know, United States of Crapmerica? For anyone in the USA it doesnt matter where they send a server too or where it is hosted, IF THEY LIVE IN THE USA then they are affected by the law regardless of where the server/hosting company is at. If they live out of America but USE an American coproration to host their adult their site must still be compliant.

05-21-2005, 05:02 AM	#13
MegaBondage So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Dungeon Posts: 101	Dude, you should read this whole thread over again.

05-21-2005, 05:05 AM	#17
MegaBondage So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Dungeon Posts: 101	Well I dont think the domain name itself has any effect on 2257 laws at all...

05-21-2005, 05:15 AM	#25
CheneyRumsfeld Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,341	little fuckers are cute when they try to think aren't they? LOL the truth is whatever country you want to sell in, you must comply with the laws of that country. noone cares where you live. only you. and the server? who gives a shit!

05-21-2005, 05:22 AM	#28
CheneyRumsfeld Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,341	yes! but they are such fun to watch! LOL

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CheneyRumsfeld Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,341	ofcourse! thats what they done in China

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WhoGivesaShit Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 307	the smart thing to do is sell out now before your site becomes worthless. thats what the smart money is doing.

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mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	If you don't think the US government can shut down sites outside of the US, just Google Indymedia. __________________ .

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WhoGivesaShit Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 307	indymedia.org is a pr/7

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