Mutt

just surfing around and it's pretty obvious that most people, the vast majority are not going to come close to complying with 2257.

i'm buying stock in the company that manufactures orange jump suits. if anybody knows who does that job let me know.

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I just posted this in Choker's Thread.

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yeah, i have considered it, just cause most of the shit I sell or have online is very basic porn, nothing extreme...but I can't risk it...

I have been going through all my domains all week and removing all images on my SE shit, just text for now

BlackCrayon

it will be impossible to police, it will be interesting to see what happens. im not bothering with anything because im canadian but still i wonder if shit does hit the fan will sponsors start terming affiliates that don't comply?

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Webby

I'm working on buying more stock in these adjustable plastic handcuffs Mutt - want some? :-)

Also checking out the prison biz - it boomed well in the early 70's and due for an upturn again. When you can get a biz out of folks not keeping records - that sounds promising, if not very sad.

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GatorB

Well I know Euros won't give a shit about complying, but I am currious as to how many Americans will be compliant on June 23rd. I'll be scanning the TGPs especially to see how many non-compliant galleries are out there.

Mutt

if you look around you'll see that 90% of free sites aren't even in compliance with the previous 2257 requirements and the paysites aren't that much better.

not hoping anybody goes to jail or has to deal with a drawn out legal battle with the government - scratch that - there are lots of people I'd like to see taken down - but not the good folks who just might be burying their heads in the sand. i can't imagine going to jail for 5 years for this bullshit - rapists and drunk drivers don't spend 5 years in jail half the time.

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GatorB

Probally not unless THEY get a visit form the DOJ because some affilate is a moron. still they can you know for using cetain content or terms that are against the law and non-comliance with 2257 is against the law so who knows. I have yet to see a sponsor say they will can a affiliate that fails to comply with 2257 though.

chadglni

Also the affiliate programs should be getting the word out for affiliates that don't frequent the boards. I didn't even know the industry communicated with each other a few years ago, much less the current laws in detail.

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Mutt

i did talk to somebody last week - not a small player in this business - i brought up 2257 - had NO CLUE what i was talking about. yikes!

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afx

I'm from Uruguay, but I'll have to move to my webs to a host and a CC processor outside USA, I don't plan to implement any 2257 change.

The only people that loose here is the people from USA, which is a true pity.

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Damian_Maxcash

90% are small operators (me included) that will wait to see what happens.

The big guys will go down first (if anyone does), and if that happens they will start thinking about it.

I live in the UK and at the moment Im seeing 2257 as an opportunity. A chance to to use my location as an advantage for once. That may change later of course.

GatorB

Better get busy you have 19 days.

We live in the USA you live in Uruguay you "loose"

polish_aristocrat

He makes $10k per month ( random guess ), in the USA it would make a good living, in Urugway he can live like a king.

Now who loses?

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Terry

Does it matter where your server is located? What if you are Canadian but your hosting is in the US?

I have read so many different threads on this and by doing so I have become beyond confused. I like many others are waiting it out for now.. but I am scared!!!

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directfiesta

Same here. I host a few major " agents" selling rights to clients. They were shocked when I told them they should have all documents in hand for evry video they sell, since they publish it.

I think they will all switch to my Canadian servers ....

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Shooting_Manic

All the more traffic and all the more work for me. Let them go.

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Damian_Maxcash

and he dosnt have to worry about 2257, maybe xxx and probably tax - u lucky Americans!

directfiesta

Hit me up for servers in Canada by Canadian company.

I can also give you the " in" for a Euro processor in France.

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Until I hear people actually serving jailtime..I'll let the feds cross the border after my ass

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GatorB

So how come YOU aren't moving there if it's so great? I wouldn't live in Uruguay if Bill Gates left me all his money. Jan 20, 2009 America becomes free again.

Damian_Maxcash

If you are a non-us wm and you host on a US server then I expect* the worst that will happen is your site gets pulled by the server, if anyone bothers to bitch about it.

It really is a mystery how US sponsors are going to handle non US affiliates. Looking at some of the stats published by the sposors I expect we will be treated well, they will make special "arrangements" for us.

bigdog

small guys can easily go down, if the goverment decides to go to the most popular sites on the web like thehun and worldsex. I would hate to have the top text link on thehun for the 23rd

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GatorB

Yeah I mean it's not like American webmasters will be all pissy about Euros bragging abut not having to comply and would actually report a non-comlying site to the DOJ or anything.

Any sponsor that gives non-american an unfair advantage will NOT be getting my business. That would be like sponsors saying white affilates get $35 per sale and black ones get $25 per sale.

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Damian_Maxcash

Thats a very interesting post.... I hope it dosnt come to this.

kernelpanic

Depends on the outcome, and on what boogeymen are conjured up in the months prior. At the rate we're going now, in a year, American intelligence might find hezbollah and al qaeda profiting off online pornograpy, and no, I wouldn't put that past our current administration.

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kernelpanic

It will. There are far too many people in this business for it not to come down to that. American webmasters certainly are being rubbed the wrong way by this law, and its going to cause a backlash against the people they see as making profit at their expense.

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Damian_Maxcash

From what I have seen in the published stats non-us wms are doing very well..... Im assuming that any prog that is thinking about business is going to make the best of a 'bad thing'.

Ive had a couple of sponsors hit me up and ask 'how can we take advantage of your non-us status?'.......'What can we offer you?' - it makes sense.

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CDSmith

I'm going to do what is best for my own sites, and let everyone else worry about theirs.

That's where 2257 begins and ends for me.

I couldn't care less if 9% or 90% of other webmasters shit themselves or forget to wind their watches. I worry about my own shit.

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bigdog

i would think a candian server and a candian whois would keep you safe for a while from prying eyes

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whats 2257?

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xanthias

i'm complying, but i know the majority of us webmasters aren't even going to batt an eye. how can anyone police this shit. the big sites are going to go down. that is all....

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GatorB

Your number at a federal prison in Arizona.

FleshJoe2005

Explain to me how a sponsor is responsible for what an affiliate does?

Shooting_Manic

If the sponsor provides the image to the affiliate for promotion either off his affiliate program site or from a zip file that the sponsor host, the sponsor is responsible. Its going to all trace back to the sponsor that holds the 2257 docs on any given model.

It's pretty basic.

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nico-t

it just doesnt seem right that the US can give me shit cuz i got my sites hosted in the US... im still in holland... they aint got shit to do with the laws here. The US comes to me for the porn, and i just happen to host it in the US but still... fuck em

dopeman

i've taken down every pic and thumbnail from all my sites and have gone completely text. less than 3 weeks from the new regulations taking effect, and not a single sponsor i've contacted has given me access to any 2257 documents. they all say 'don't worry, we're working on it'.

but does taking the pics down actually make you compliant if it's done before June 23rd?

keyboard warrior

The FBI will go after all the big programs that advertise here as they see them as money targets and will try to set an example - somebody has to go down.

the FBI reads this board daily.

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FleshJoe2005

Can someone write me a '.htaccess' fix that redirects anything with '.gov' and '.mil'?

Thanks!

FleshJoe2005

If you dont have any content that requires 2257 compliance then you're compliant.

FleshJoe2005

There's NO WAY that a sponsor can be held responsible for any action of an affiliate. All the sponsor has to do is say "look, here's the stash of documents I sent to affiliate Joe, I'm not to blame if they're an idiot" and he's off the hook.

Shooting_Manic

Thats assuming the sponsor sent his affiliate personal information about the models that work for them, id and release. You are correct if the sponsor actually sends the info to their affiliates on every single model within their program. I highly and I mean highly doubt many sponsors will do that. Not so much because they are behind and not up to snuff on 2257, but to protect their models. Can you see Lightspeed sending the info out on Jordan or Tawnee? I dont see that happening in a million years. Certainly not full information anyways.

This will all come to a head here soon. Watch and see.

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dopeman

this is my conclusion as well. i am just assuming that i won't get 2257 docs from the overwhelming majority of my sponsors. so i am all text now. but i still worry about some sort of 'retroactive' effect here. if i took everything down last week, am i covered here? or am i responsible for everything i had up even though everything is down now. if that's the case, there's absolutely nothing i can do.

GatorB

Well if they still allow the use of the their content using those models they HAVE to give you the docs if you ask for them. If they don't THEY can get busted for violating 2257.

dopeman

but that just means we're both screwed.

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directfiesta

Sponsor is NOT responsible of the affiliate in NO way.

Scenario 1: Sponsor sends pics, movies and documents. Affiliate doesn't comply to 2257 by throwing out the documentation. AFFILIATE's problem.

Scenario 2: Sponsor sends pics, movies but NO documentation. Affiliate should not publish these pictures or movies, otherwise he is AGAIN responsible.

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