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keyboard warrior 06-04-2005 08:36 PM

The FBI will go after all the big programs that advertise here as they see them as money targets and will try to set an example - somebody has to go down.

the FBI reads this board daily.

FleshJoe2005 06-04-2005 08:39 PM

Can someone write me a '.htaccess' fix that redirects anything with '.gov' and '.mil'?

Thanks!

FleshJoe2005 06-04-2005 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopeman
i've taken down every pic and thumbnail from all my sites and have gone completely text. less than 3 weeks from the new regulations taking effect, and not a single sponsor i've contacted has given me access to any 2257 documents. they all say 'don't worry, we're working on it'.

but does taking the pics down actually make you compliant if it's done before June 23rd?

If you dont have any content that requires 2257 compliance then you're compliant.

FleshJoe2005 06-04-2005 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shooting_Manic
If the sponsor provides the image to the affiliate for promotion either off his affiliate program site or from a zip file that the sponsor host, the sponsor is responsible. Its going to all trace back to the sponsor that holds the 2257 docs on any given model.

It's pretty basic.

There's NO WAY that a sponsor can be held responsible for any action of an affiliate. All the sponsor has to do is say "look, here's the stash of documents I sent to affiliate Joe, I'm not to blame if they're an idiot" and he's off the hook.

Shooting_Manic 06-04-2005 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FleshJoe2005
There's NO WAY that a sponsor can be held responsible for any action of an affiliate. All the sponsor has to do is say "look, here's the stash of documents I sent to affiliate Joe, I'm not to blame if they're an idiot" and he's off the hook.

Thats assuming the sponsor sent his affiliate personal information about the models that work for them, id and release. You are correct if the sponsor actually sends the info to their affiliates on every single model within their program. I highly and I mean highly doubt many sponsors will do that. Not so much because they are behind and not up to snuff on 2257, but to protect their models. Can you see Lightspeed sending the info out on Jordan or Tawnee? I dont see that happening in a million years. Certainly not full information anyways.

This will all come to a head here soon. Watch and see.

dopeman 06-04-2005 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shooting_Manic
Thats assuming the sponsor sent his affiliate personal information about the models that work for them, id and release. You are correct if the sponsor actually sends the info to their affiliates on every single model within their program. I highly and I mean highly doubt many sponsors will do that. Not so much because they are behind and not up to snuff on 2257, but to protect their models. Can you see Lightspeed sending the info out on Jordan or Tawnee? I dont see that happening in a million years. Certainly not full information anyways.

This will all come to a head here soon. Watch and see.

this is my conclusion as well. i am just assuming that i won't get 2257 docs from the overwhelming majority of my sponsors. so i am all text now. but i still worry about some sort of 'retroactive' effect here. if i took everything down last week, am i covered here? or am i responsible for everything i had up even though everything is down now. if that's the case, there's absolutely nothing i can do.

GatorB 06-04-2005 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopeman
this is my conclusion as well. i am just assuming that i won't get 2257 docs from the overwhelming majority of my sponsors.

Well if they still allow the use of the their content using those models they HAVE to give you the docs if you ask for them. If they don't THEY can get busted for violating 2257.

dopeman 06-04-2005 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB
Well if they still allow the use of the their content using those models they HAVE to give you the docs if you ask for them. If they don't THEY can get busted for violating 2257.

but that just means we're both screwed.

kernelpanic 06-04-2005 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by damian2001
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directfiesta 06-04-2005 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shooting_Manic
Thats assuming the sponsor sent his affiliate personal information about the models that work for them, id and release. You are correct if the sponsor actually sends the info to their affiliates on every single model within their program. I highly and I mean highly doubt many sponsors will do that. Not so much because they are behind and not up to snuff on 2257, but to protect their models. Can you see Lightspeed sending the info out on Jordan or Tawnee? I dont see that happening in a million years. Certainly not full information anyways.

This will all come to a head here soon. Watch and see.

Sponsor is NOT responsible of the affiliate in NO way.

Scenario 1: Sponsor sends pics, movies and documents. Affiliate doesn't comply to 2257 by throwing out the documentation. AFFILIATE's problem.

Scenario 2: Sponsor sends pics, movies but NO documentation. Affiliate should not publish these pictures or movies, otherwise he is AGAIN responsible.

woj 06-04-2005 09:11 PM

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GatorB 06-04-2005 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopeman
but that just means we're both screwed.

It 's simple if you sponsor give you content you ask for the 2257 info. iof they say no don't use that content, but also send them a reminder that they are in fact violating 2257 and there you COULD report them.

directfiesta 06-04-2005 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB
Well if they still allow the use of the their content using those models they HAVE to give you the docs if you ask for them. If they don't THEY can get busted for violating 2257.

Come on... The publisher is responsible ... of publishing without docs.

GatorB 06-04-2005 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta
Sponsor is NOT responsible of the affiliate in NO way.

Scenario 2: Sponsor sends pics, movies but NO documentation. Affiliate should not publish these pictures or movies, otherwise he is AGAIN responsible.

if affiliate ASKS for documentation, but sponsors refuses sponsor IS in trouble.

Three commenters commented that the record-shifting requirements
under Sec. Sec. 75.2(a) and (b) are impermissibly burdensome.
According to the commenters, primary producers would resist turning
over records that contain trade secrets, such as the identities of
performers. The Department declines to adopt these comments. The D.C.
Circuit Court clearly held in American Library Ass'n v. Reno that the
record-keeping requirements were not unconstitutionally burdensome. Any
primary producer who fails to release the records to a secondary
producer is simply in violation of the regulations
and may not use the
excuse that the records contain alleged trade secrets to avoid
compliance.

FleshJoe2005 06-04-2005 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta
Sponsor is NOT responsible of the affiliate in NO way.

Scenario 1: Sponsor sends pics, movies and documents. Affiliate doesn't comply to 2257 by throwing out the documentation. AFFILIATE's problem.

Scenario 2: Sponsor sends pics, movies but NO documentation. Affiliate should not publish these pictures or movies, otherwise he is AGAIN responsible.

Thank you thats exactly what I meant.

Why do I have a strong feeling that all sponsors are laughing behind their hand and are going to rely exclusively on overseas affiliates? Hmm... Is there ANYTHING in the regs that says the sponsor is in violation if they provide content thats not 2257 compliant?

EDIT: See reply #54 it answers my question.

dopeman 06-04-2005 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB
It 's simple if you sponsor give you content you ask for the 2257 info. iof they say no don't use that content, but also send them a reminder that they are in fact violating 2257 and there you COULD report them.

i've asked them, and none of have given me a single document. so i decided to just say screw it, and take down all pics, videos and thumbs including old galleries i have posted. as now - under the new regulations - secondary producers (TGP OPERATORS AND GALLERY SUBMITTERS) have to have hardcopy ID documentation of every model they have published. it's simply not logistically possible for me to remain compliant. but i still don't know if taking everything down last week squares me away. they say the new regs don't go into effect until june 23rd. under the previous regs, i did not have to have all the docs. i mean they can't retroactively punish someone for new regulations, right?

FleshJoe2005 06-04-2005 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopeman
i've asked them, and none of have given me a single document. so i decided to just say screw it, and take down all pics, videos and thumbs including old galleries i have posted. as now - under the new regulations - secondary producers (TGP OPERATORS AND GALLERY SUBMITTERS) have to have hardcopy ID documentation of every model they have published. it's simply not logistically possible for me to remain compliant. but i still don't know if taking everything down last week squares me away. they say the new regs don't go into effect until june 23rd. under the previous regs, i did not have to have all the docs. i mean they can't retroactively punish someone for new regulations, right?

Yes you dont need to worry about what you were doing before June 23. Until that date the old regs hold where you didnt have to have the docs.

directfiesta 06-04-2005 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB
if affiliate ASKS for documentation, but sponsors refuses sponsor IS in trouble.

Three commenters commented that the record-shifting requirements
under Sec. Sec. 75.2(a) and (b) are impermissibly burdensome.
According to the commenters, primary producers would resist turning
over records that contain trade secrets, such as the identities of
performers. The Department declines to adopt these comments. The D.C.
Circuit Court clearly held in American Library Ass'n v. Reno that the
record-keeping requirements were not unconstitutionally burdensome. Any
primary producer who fails to release the records to a secondary
producer is simply in violation of the regulations
and may not use the
excuse that the records contain alleged trade secrets to avoid
compliance.

That's nice ...

So now you will have to get the affoliate to sign in 3 copies a form that he adknowledges that he did receive the info ... otherwise he can blame the PRIMARY PRODUCER which would have no way of proving different ...

Fuck 2257. Canada Host, Canadian Citizen, Euro Billing .

adonthenet 06-04-2005 09:26 PM

I must agree .

dopeman 06-04-2005 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta
That's nice ...

So now you will have to get the affoliate to sign in 3 copies a form that he adknowledges that he did receive the info ... otherwise he can blame the PRIMARY PRODUCER which would have no way of proving different ...

Fuck 2257. Canada Host, Canadian Citizen, Euro Billing .

the prosecutor will say 'well you shouldn't have published that thumbnail to that gallery without the documentation'.

you can blame the sponsor all you want, but if you publish a thumbnail, a gallery or a blog or whatever - you need to have the docs in your files ahead of time.

mardigras 06-04-2005 10:01 PM

Prisons are big business. Communities that have them fight to keep them. Ask them why. :upsidedow

OG LennyT 06-04-2005 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FleshJoe2005
Can someone write me a '.htaccess' fix that redirects anything with '.gov' and '.mil'?

Thanks!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

stev0 06-04-2005 10:28 PM

Wait and see if this law goes into effect at all... then worry about it

dopeman 06-04-2005 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stev0
Wait and see if this law goes into effect at all... then worry about it

it's a done deal. there's just a 'grace period' until june 23rd for everyone to get their shit together. after that, we'll see how much they enforce it. that's the real question.


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