tgp2 - who's with us?

[aedx]

ok, everyone who is interested in andy's idea about new tgp generation, post a message here.

it would be good to know how many we are.

aedx

[george]

what are the final rules ???

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[aedx]

we gotta create them

[DamageX]

As I said, I'm in. Just post a lot to other forums as well and try to get as many as we can to work on this one. And try to get some of the bigger guys too, that wouldn't hurt. But I gotta say, this smells like green from a mile away, they'd be stupid not to tag along.

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[Kat - Fast]

don't ban (lightning)free hosts eh?

[DamageX]

No, we shouldn't ban free hosts. Some people are just starting in this biz and they just can't afford paid hosting. Plus, newbie gallery makers also tend to put in way too many images in a gallery, just to get accepted, resulting in huge bandwidth bills. I knew a few cases of people getting accepted by The Hun, ending up with 0 sign-ups and close to a grand worth of bandwith cost. So free hosts should be allowed.

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[george]

Please ban all freehosts - I'm tired of competing with teenagers who have nothing to lose

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[enoj]

I think we need a standard. Pictures must be high quality, since they are inn thumbnail size. NO freehosts should be allowed. There should be a bit class over these TGP's. I hope we can create a network of TGPs this style. I will run one on www.lesbian4you.com .. let's meet together on IRC someday and talk about it..

My ICQ# is 117683133 contact me.

[george]

as a matter of fact if you allow free hosts you can count me out - I will wait for TGP 3

I want to play with grown-ups

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[whoreans]

rule number one. you do not tell nobody about the fight club
rule number two. you do not tell nobody about the fight club
rule number three. you do not tell nobody about the fight club

rule number four. you must foward all your TGP2 traffic to tony's(ME) site

[aedx]

i think it should depend on the tgp owner if s/he lists free hosts or not...
everyone will probably prefer paid hosts, but...

[DamageX]

Originally posted by george:
as a matter of fact if you allow free hosts you can count me out - I will wait for TGP 3

I want to play with grown-ups

George, don't be a kid about this, you know damn well I have a point. Plus, we can eventually filter out the free hosts, but we shouldn't ban them from the start. This idea will experience some growing pains, just as anything else does, you think Thumbzilla was what it is now from the start? If we don't accept free hosts, we might end up not having enough submissions, so I say we better be safe than sorry. Personally I prefer a shitload of submissions to choose from, so I can filter out the bad seeds, instead of not having enough of them and my surfers not returning because I don't provide them with enough quantity.


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[This message has been edited by DamageX (edited 07-26-2001).]

[Ludedude]

Yep, no free-hosted kiddie bs for me.

I'll play the game, post galleries and put up a TGP to see how this works, but if this is going to be a business and not a hobby, let's get it started the right way please.

Nice galleries
No pop-ups, traps, dialers etc.
20 images MAX, but I prefer 16.

What did I miss?
Q U A L I T Y is what we want, right?

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[Bastii]

Hi i would join

-16 thumbs
-only 4 big pics
-no console
-no freehost cause ppl from them are only stealing traffic with using consoles cause they think they are smart

and a union which will control that submitters to TGP2s wouldnt also submit to mormal TGPs.Or we would all loose our traffic and the other TGPs would laugh about us.

[aedx]

Originally posted by Bastii:
and a union which will control that submitters to TGP2s wouldnt also submit to mormal TGPs.Or we would all loose our traffic and the other TGPs would laugh about us.

i don't think it's possible to control...

[OzKaNoz]

If you ban free host with this you're defeating the purpose of it.

Oz

[aedx]

hm... i must agree...

[Karupted Charles]

I'm in for it I'll not ban free hosts but I do think that it should be based in individual opinion about the free-host listings. The rest sounds solid.
16 thumbs 4 big no linked images.
I have a Pay host and would be willing to set up a new tgp for just this type of gallery and I'll add some of these galleries to my existing tgp if you want to submit.

[Burtman]

There are six million TGP's out there right now that don't accept free hosts and 12 million that do.

So now there will be TGP2's that don't accept free hosts and TGP2's that accept free hosts.
If your on free hosting don't submit to one that doesn't accept free hosts. Leave it up to the individual webmasters, dont blow this puppy on a little tech.
With free hosts or no free hosts, you will still have cheaters galore count on it. Just because somebody owns a domain doesn't mean a thing. You TGP owners should know that.

Just a thought.
Burtman

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[enoj]

why won't we discuss the new tgp at #newtgp on efnet?

servers :

irc.homelien.no | irc.du.se

or email me [email protected] .. i think the all of us should meet at #newtgp

[george]

Sorry but no FREE HOSTS for me, if you include free hosts I have to go to the next level

There is room for TGP, TGP2 and TGP3

Why force me to play your game, I don't care if you don't want to play with me

More than likely you will get more traffic, I prefer less traffic and a better conversion ratio

[DamageX]

Ok peeps, we're on IRC on EfNet, in #newtgp, get on NOW!

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[ldinternet]

I use a combination of free hosting and paid hosting. Does the free hosting make me a "kiddie"?

Anyway, If you are making the rule that free hosts are accepted, I suggest that you make it very clear which freehosts ARE accepted on a webmaster page.

This idea can be compared to those circle jerk movie posts. They offer very little in the way of content besides blind linked movie thumbs to other such sites. They do hold traffic though I believe that it is the deceit factor in the blind links that helps them achieve this. It's hard enough to get traffic to a new tgp that isn't running a script - and don't forget that these have much more to offer than the "tgp2". I'm not keen on this new idea and personally I can't see it as a traffic hold, but good luck anyway.

[wolfshade]

I think my submit page will have the following rules:

Action Porn TGP is not a regular Thumbnail Gallery Post it is a Next Generation Thumbnail Gallery Post,.designed to make you sales from your galleries. It is for that reason that we only accept galleries designed in the way as described below.
Follow these rules carefully and you will get good traffic making you more money then from any other regular TGP.
Webmasters disregarding the rules below will be blacklisted!


YOUR GALLERY CAN HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 5 CLICKABLE THUMBS LEADING TO THE LARGER PICTURES
You can have up to 20 thumbs total on a page but only 5 may be linked and those 5 must be linked to the large version of the thumbnail. For an example of what an gallery the way we want them looks like click here

YOUR PICTURES CAN BE ON HTML PAGES BUT ONLY ONE TEXTLINK BELOW THE IMAGE IS ALLOWED
Though we designed it so you will have more exposure to your site/sponsor we must maintain a level of quality for our surfers.

WE WANT CLEAN GALLERIES
The way your "new style" galleries are build will give the surfer more exposure to your advertisements, therefor less is more in this case. Bannerfarms will not be accepted.

NO POP UPS, AUTOBOOKMARKS, EXIT CONSOLES OR ANY OTHER WAYS TO TRAP THE SURFER
You can advertise any(legal)thing you want on your galleries just do it the accepted way(banners, buttons and/or textlinks)
Submissions containing the above wil be removed and the submitting webmaster blacklisted without notice! This includes freehosts that practise these ways of advertising. If your host pops consoles find another one that doesn't there are plenty of them around!

WE DO NOT ACCEPT GALLERIES HOSTED ON NON ADULT HOSTS
No Geocities, Fortune city, etc... Get and Adult Freehost then we will list you.
WE REQUIRE A RECIPROCAL LINK
Sharing the traffic is the only way to survive. You like to get our traffic and we like to be able to send it to you, so do the honourable thing and link back. As a bonus we have set our script to count hits back and the more you send the higher you will get listed! You may link to us in any way you like, however should you want to use a banner or button click here for our bannerfarm.

NO ILLEGAL CRAP!
Childporn, Bestiality and other crap will be dealt with accourdingly and reported to the proper authorities.

FOLLOW THE ABOVE RULES AND YOU WILL GET LISTED. DO NOT FOLLOW THEM AND GET BLACKLISTED!
Our list gets shared with all next generation styled TGP's, so once on the blacklist you will never be able to use this new type of TGP again.

That should be enough I think or did I forget anything?

Wolfshade


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[Bake]

Whats with the free host ban ? there are allot of very experenced webmasters who make very afective galleries on free host you should be worried about quaility not free hosts some of you guys need to take your head out of your ass and look at the real reasons you dont make allot of cash Its called marketing, some of the paid host galleries I see everyday could not sell cold beer on a hot day.
Bake

[wolfshade]

I can't speak for the others but I don't plan on banning freehosts Bake

Wolfshade


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[DamageX]

BAKE, try beating that point into George.

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[JackFoley]

I think it should be left to the individual TGP owners, like it is now with regular TGPs.

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[Scoobs]

I am in... I like the idea and will happily submit. Lets give it a try!

[wolfshade]

I think wether or not to accept free hosts should be left up to the owner.

I think the only point we realy need to get clear on is

The maximum of clickable thumbs

The Maximum ads on a gallery page

Once we have that clear we can start the rest should be left up to te TGP2 owner IMHO.

The Hun and I have oposite opinions on almost everything but one thing I gotta agree with what he says iT's his site so he determines what gets posted and what not. I think the same applies here

So with this post I suggest let's get the basics straight and then get to work

Wolfshade



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[goodgirl]

I added one of my tgps to the list
I need someone to email me what you come up with please.

thanks
gg

[DamageX]

Originally posted by goodgirl:
I added one of my tgps to the list
I need someone to email me what you come up with please.

thanks
gg

Welcome and Go Fuck Yourself.



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[goodgirl]

That isn't as fun..uhm well forget it hehe

Thanks

I was just getting ready to redo porn-candy.com this weekend, getting to be too much and doing better on my other site goodgirlsswallow.com so this is great timing hehe

gg

[Bake]

Why dont you all just use 1 list of gallerys get someone to make the list up and email to everybody ? he can have top spot for his trouble and leave 5 spots for the tgp to use for themselfs ? this would make it allot easyer ??

[Dawgy]

rather than sit here & discuss it endlessly, im actually working on my site. when its ready ill post it and then discuss what i am doing and get opinions on things i should change, shouldnt change, etc.

so... dont think im ignoring this thread now, im just too busy to read constantly

but yes, i'm in

[Techie Media]

Originally posted by Kat:
don't ban (lightning)free hosts eh?

Kat thanks for the kind words, (once again). I see your getting many galleries on Hun and many other places with your Galleries hosted with me.

Well I have been following this thread since it started. My opinion as a Free Host Owner, and also as a old timer tgp Owner, and gallery maker, I think most of you have a very good Idea going on here. Unfortunately there are 1 or 2 here that are insistant on making this an attack on free hosts.

Most all newbies, and almost ALL experienced webmasters know the importance of a free host, to post galleries on, and even main sites, and AVS's. It doesnt matter if you have a domain of your own or not, Free Hosts play a big part in this business for everyone.

On my personal TGP, I get just as many cheating Webmasters on Paid hosting, as on free hosting. In some cases actually the free host is better, at least the big free hosts have the servers, and bandwidth to load pages fast, where some small sites on paid hosting on a choaked virtual server, can be very slow, or even won't open. So to put a ban on free hosts is really not a very intellegent idea.

OK well thats 2 cents worth for now from lil'OL me,.... but hey!!, What do I know??



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[harvey]

1) Is this one OK? Or do I need those boring ones? Check at http://www.terra.es/personal6/831954...page01tgp2.htm

2) For those planning on not accepting free host, you'd make an exception on terra, chello and home servers, they're free but clean (and no consoles if down)

3) When can we start? I just need to know if this gallery is OK or not, anyway I'm ready to go!

4) Well, just a big good luck and success wishes for everybody involved in this new TGP2 thingy!


Peace and profits

Harvey

[Lightning]

Harvey, no offense intended to you at all, but, terra.es really does not allow porn, so I dont approve of being a cheater, so even though that gallery is very very nice, I wouldnt post it. Also Sooner or later terra will get around to deleting it and then its all just a waste... I would rather post galleries on free hosts like Lightning, and all his hosts, & Thunder , &stynk & xxxwebhosting, and all the other Great Free Hosts that hang in here, and give them a chance to help their businesses out as well.
Those guys all work hard at what they do and deserve a littl Professional respect.
I've know Lightning for a long time now, from way back before he was into the Hosting. He ran some very nice (big) tgp's, and has always sent me good traffic, and he still does on his tgp now.

[This message has been edited by askmomma (edited 07-26-2001).]

[harvey]

Hey askmomma! I don't know about chello and home, but Terra DOES ALLOW adult content! If you can read Spanish, you can see that. They don't allow copyright breaking, which is a different thing. As a matter of fact, most Spanish servers allows adult content, but Terra is the best simply because they have no banners and are reasonably fast. Why do you think they were doing this for 2 years in a row and most galleries are still online? They'd simply disallow non-latin countries surfers by .htaccess, and that's it! (because 60% of their traffic is from those countries, and most of it is to adult sites hosted at Terra). I heard they're going to add advertisement on the top quite soon, but in the meanwhile...

Peace

Harvey

[Angel11]

ok first off why is everyone trying to convince george what to do, if he wants to move up to the TGP3 level let him. As far as TGP2 goes Im in.

[Bake]

Ok will you make a web ring here ? Where will the traffic come from ? Ill make a new tgp from scratch I have a domain hot free Pics sitting about , will you link all these sites together.
Bake

[OzKaNoz]

Wolfshade
The rules look good. Do you mind if I copy them for my tgp?
I like the part about
"You like to get our traffic and we like to be able to send it to you, so do the honourable thing and link back. As a bonus we have set our script to count hits back and the more you send the higher you will get listed!"
My tgp is already setup with a script like that plus it archives.

Oz

Erotic Candyland Tgp


[This message has been edited by OzKaNoz (edited 07-26-2001).]

[Cncr]

Morning everybody...

Nice to see that this idea didn't die overnight. Now after good sleep I'm convinced we will make this thing work.

Btw, http://www.babe-tgp.com/tgp2/ does not load load for me

Cncr

[Ludedude]

Ack...OK...fair enough...let the TGP owner decide. It's the fairest way to go and I'll apologize for starting down that path.

I like those rules too. Simple enough for even a moron to understand why he got blacklisted.

Now, I need a decent TGP script to do this. Any suggestions? I'm using auto-gallery now, but would like something a little better and easier to admin maybe.

Suggestions? I'll start working on this over the weekend.

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[OzKaNoz]

So we have an The Unofficial TGP2 List. So what about a official tgp2 list?

Anyway, you can count Erotic Candyland Tgp in.

Oz

Erotic Candyland Tgp

[playa]

one thing is I would not recommend
some of ya to switch your regular TGP's to tgp2 standard as this affect your traffic greatly..

i heard someone say they wouldn't wanna piss off a surfer,,,well let me tell you this a surfer will not like TGP2 site at all,,,so you can just forget about trying to please a surfer...
most of the traffic going to this TGP2 standard are from professional porn surfers that now where to get porn pics,,,
Don't be surprised to see productivity to these types of sites extremely bad. as they would not like the galleries

It is very important that rules would need to be place,,,you can't have some galleries with 20 pix and other galleries with 4..

also IMHO,,you thought converting regular galleries hard,,these "new" galleries would be 10 times harder

don't get me wrong,,,i ain't against it,,,i like the idea,,,but will it work?

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[Cncr]

We'll see that in no time...

[Cncr]

And personally I'm not be worried about traffic decrease. I make no money with my TGP, so if I lose the surfers I still make no money

We must get fresh traffic to get this thing going... and link trades to other new generetion TGP's.

And I really think tgp2 auto-submission thingy would be great thing to have...

Cncr

[goodgirl]

I just want to throw in a few ideas.
I'm thinking TGP2 will need something different and something that will make surfers want to come back and check out the galleries.
1. Come up with a creative name for the type of post it will be. This is a big one, the name should be something that makes them want to check out these new type of TGPs.
2. The galleries need to have something more desirable to them to want to keep viewing them. Not so much that they don't go to a sponsor.

I'm pretty new to all of this but I would like to suggest something, why not add a few words under the linked pics, the others just say sample, and let them know if they want the rest of the story so to speak to check out the sponsor.

Here are 2 examples of this type of gallery. http://www.goodgirlsswallow.com/ns1d/clean.htm
http://www.goodgirlsswallow.com/ns1/clean.htm

This might take a little creativity, but look how creative everyone is with different ways to send traffic.

From the little experience I have, those galleries there get 20 times more click thrus to the sponsor then with out a few words or sorta story.

Just a few ideas

gg

[wolfshade]

Hahah you go to sleep and the next morning this thread grew doubled

Ok lets ge my take on it starting from the post where I left off yesterday:

Bake:

Using one list of galleries would kind of defeat the purpose of multiple TGP2's as everybody would have the same galleries and therefor be nothing more then a doorway page.
I think we should exchange links, perhaps start an exchange but also promote on our own and get induvidual submissions for varieties sake

OzKaNoz

Sure buddy take what ya need from the rules

Ludedude:

try Elite TGP It's free it ranks and has a great admin section

Playa:

I think it should be like this:

Established TGP's wanting to do this should create a new TGP2 version next to their original TGP others can just convert. We need to grab traffic from all sources we can, and as for keeping the surfer we should join forces for that. Perhaps offer an adult chat on all TGP2 sites linking to a shared Chatroom for all surfers? Something like that, because interactive content always works great for pulling and keeping the surfer

Goodgirl:

Nice gallery you posted for example but ehm all thumbs are clickable and lead to a big pic? I think that was not the idea for TGP2

I plan on being live on Monday(right before my vacation )

Wolfshade



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