Even if US ISPs block access to .XXX domains, you will always be able to access your favorite porn site by its IP address.. unless they block that too, but I highly doubt it

Ask your friendly paysite owners just how many people write down that site name to come back to later. They could pay 100% commission to affiliates on a brand new paysite and make a profit on the typins and people writing it down for later.

lol and how should the surfer know it?

Shit man.... if you're worried about kids, TRY VOLUNTARY FUCKING RATINGS!! There is NOTHING whatsoever... I repeat... NOTHING... that "dot xxx" can do for "protecting kids" that couldn't be done with VOLUNTARY FUCKING RATINGS that already exist!! Self-rate your site, and parents can turn it off in Internet Explorer. Easy! Why do we need to pay $75 per domain name to ICM to accomplish what we can already do? :mad:

http://196.54.THE.HUN :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Same amount of gallery spot sales, less traffic, less bandwidth, same if not more sales.

Oh great... so we'd all have to start giving out IP addresses? That would go over great in our marketing and search engine efforts... :1orglaugh

The percentage of memberships bought at offices or colleges is small. The majority of porn is bought from home.

I dont know about you, but i as a webmaster, would never dream accessing a porn site or even any of my sites or GFY from a library or cubicle, let alone whip out a CC and order something. If surfers are browsing for porn at work they are JUST BROWSING, wasting bandwidth, not going to pay for anything.

With that said, i dont support .xxx at all. As a new TLD, sure go for it, open as many as you want, but i dont want anyone pushing me off my .com's

i can assure you some isps will block .xxx
6 months after its released they'll release an update with an .xxx filter thats default ON that takes a 15 line bat file to disable. it makes sense too, parents are too preoccupied with survivor to turn on the parent filters now, the isp will be helping those parents out. thanks aol, we love you

read the bottom paragraph

A Different Perspective...
 

FRC Voices Opposition to '.xxx' Domain Name


WASHINGTON, June 3 /PRNewswire/ -- The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) recently announced a plan to create a ".xxx" domain address to house pornographic websites. Patrick Trueman, FRC's senior legal counsel and former chief of the U.S. Department of Justice's Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section, released the following statement expressing strong opposition to ICANN's plan:

"The new domain would do more harm than good. The '.com' domain has been a cash cow for the porn industry and pornographers will not give it up and remove themselves to the '.xxx' domain. Instead, they will populate the '.xxx' domain and perhaps double the number of porn sites available on the Web.

"The '.xxx' domain also cloaks the porn industry with legitimacy. The industry will have a place at the table in developing and maintaining their new property.

"Creating a virtual red light district may also discourage law enforcement from bringing obscenity cases on the notion that the problem is solved."

Patrick Trueman is the author of a newly released FRC pamphlet -- "Dealing with Pornography: A Practical Guide For Protecting Your Family and Your Community." The pamphlet explains actions that the average citizen can take to fight porn in stores, on the internet, and on television. A download of the pamphlet can be found at http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=BC05C01

SOURCE Family Research Council

06/03/2005 11:58 ET

Yes, for the affiliates, not the TGP owners. They are going to lose the *traffic we don't want to talk about*.

TGP owners don't want the .xxx because they know that their traffic is going to decrease.

P.S. "The traffic we don't want to talk about" = teenagers under 18 without credit cards.

Trueman is right, amazingly enough, when he says that it wouldn't do anything to protect children. And if left voluntary, he's right that porn sites would populate BOTH the .com and .xxx domain names... I don't think anyone disagrees about that. This move does nothing but line the pockets of certain individuals and companies.

Shocking this is comming from the owner of 'adult.com', a domain that will potentially be worthless in a couple years.

While I agree, it would make filtering sites VERY easy. I'll bet money that someday the government will pass a law REQUIRING all adult content on .xxx domains.

This is just the first step of sucking us in.

Not if he has a deal for adult.xxx in place. ;)

Why .xxx is not going to work.

OK, the augment is that all porn sites can go onto .xxx.

This would be fine if all porn sites were .com's, but many are on regional domains, such as .co.uk and so on.

So imagine say a Japan domain (or any other country) that owns the adult.dk (or whatever the Japan domain is). Now the Japan owner will have as much right to the adult.xxx as much as the .com owner (adult.com). Now think of the court cases.

Also will all .xxx sites sell for the same price. If I asked for xxx.xxx will the firm charge me the same as if I asked for doobydoobydoo.xxx?

Also on day 1 of the launch of these sites, there will be several thousand requests for sites such as sex.xxx porn.xxx, so how will they decide who gets them?

those names will be held and put up for auction, not by the compnay of course. this whole .xxx is about money, you thing they'd sell the prime real estate for the same price as dfadsfdsfadfadfasdfaporn.xxx
first come first serve my ass

Agreed. This is my biggest concern.

:error although he represents a completely different front, I am happy that he said it :thumbsup

If anything, the creation of the .xxx TLD makes it easier to censor in the future, since it will be all grouped together.

It's no good.

Lens, how will xxx stop censorship when helmy is all about it?

pls explain
Duke

Wake up people!! don't you see the grave error in this. Forget it being mandatory, that will happen and we can I deny it if we want, but it will happen.

Traffic- who cares.

Blocked at the ISP- will probably happen somewhere sometime sooner than you expect............ Oh and Lensman, I think you might forget that there is a large portion of this great country that does not have a wide variety of service providers. IE central Florida. It's Brighthouse or the outhouse. And they are not going to loose 20% of their consumers because they block .xxx . Not going to happen bro.

But the biggest thing I think a bunch of us are over looking is the label and what it can REALLY do.

Anyone play poker online??? anyone try to use your bank credit card to put money in your account?? A VERY large portion of banking institutions do not allow you to do this, it's their company policy. Bank of America, Bank One, ect....ect.... Whats to stop these individual institutions from deciding they feel the same way about .xxx as they feel about PartyPoker or PokerStars????? in short NOTHING.

While I will agree this will not Kill the industry, It's sure gonna hurt those who are not going to benefit from .xxx purchases.

Look at the big picture, and on how many levels you will be filtered on and by who....

Great find, Aly. I would have to say that the Family Research Council's opposition to .xxx would make them the perfect candidate to sit on the Board of IFFOR that will create the policies that all .xxx domains will have to comply with when this goes through. That's going to be a lot of fun. Yes, there will also be a few representatives from the adult industry on the Board too, but who will they be, and what percentage of the whole will they make up, and who will be the other Board members. Stay tuned!

I was actually thinking of posting the same thing today. I don't think .xxx is so bad if it keeps the goverment off our back.

If you have a super important .com or brand -- now is a good time to trademark.

I would also like to add that this would be fine if dot xxx would the cool goverment's jets on the 2257 issue. .xxx is something I can live with. Federal agents knocking on my door every month isn't.

I really think it is going to come down to us living with one or the other. I'll take dot xxx.

Temporarily at least. It would change current traffic levels and how people deal with porn. The upside is that it may go a long way in changing the mainstream view that "porn has gotten out of hand." From a business perspective, it would require new creativity and efficiency to make more with less traffic UNTIL traffic surges again (as people get acclimated to .xxx and move to ISPs that would allow it).

I read between the lines... this may be an opening segue into pushing for MANDATORY move from non-.xxx domains to .xxx Only time will tell.

Sure, makes since. Hell parents don?t do their jobs so we must do it for them.. BS.. If kids can beat software now they can beat .xxx software blockers.. It changes nothing and creates more issues.

Why should .com owners have priority. What if you have a .net or .co.uk or a domain name from another country. Do these people have no rights?

I'm against it. I think it's a greedy scam and it's not going to stop a single kid from looking at porn.

All of you who think it's going to help are living in a dream world. Think about when you were a kid and you wanted to look a nudie mags. There was nothing going to stop you. We would sneak into our parents room to get peek at them, steal them from corner stores and even trade toys and money for them with other kids. Why? BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE IT. Simple answer. And when kids want to see it, they are going to find it no matter what.

Everyone has seemed to forget that we were all kids once, and by doing that you forget who kids think. You can't stop a child from doing what he really wants to do. Could they stop you? Once the kid is smart enough to un-filter the computer mommy and daddy set up to filter out porn, it's on.

Even if everyone did get .XXX (which you all probably will), unless we are forced from our .com domains, it will do absolutely nothing but create sales for the new domain. If all the .com's are still there, what's the point?

.XXX will solve nothing.

couldnt have said it better :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Will porn sites be forced to go .xxx?

I fail to see how this will happen for several reasons.

1. It would need every country to pass this law. I do not think the UK would.
2. The main problem is then you have to define what is porn. Such as is hegre-archives.com porn? To me this is art. Also webcam sites and dating sites, will they be classed as porn. If fact what if you have a health sex site, would this have to be put on a .xxx? Its not possible to say what is or is not porn. In the UK there is no legal definition of porn. In fact much of the UK law is defined under obscenity which again is not defined but down to personal view points. Although R18 porn films do have a list of what is acceptable, this is not law but what the sensors have decided.

"yeah but you're forgetting about people who will still want to censor pornography because they think it's obscene..."<P>The supreme court already ruled that people have a right to view porn !

But not "obscenity." And the SC has no problem with some people calling some kinds of porn obscene.

All I know is that the first day of public .xxx registrations will be hectic! A stampede!

The Great State of Utah will block your XXX tld in a heart beat (if they still have a pulse that is)

I believe XXX would go in waves... As in, it'd be available in 2006 and maditory in 2008 so that the TM issues can be worked out.

Have you read this?
From:
http://www.icannwatch.org/articles/0.../1339259.shtml
___________________


From: Lauren Weinstein
Date: June 2, 2005 12:39:32 AM EDT
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: ICANN's "ex-ex-ex" domains and the slippery slope

Dave,

As noted in:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/interne....ap/index.html

ICANN has reversed its long-standing opposition to a TLD (top-level domain) "red-light district" and is moving toward creation of a "dot-ex-ex-ex" domain space (my phonetic spelling is an attempt to avoid having this message and your list shunted by the usual simpleminded filters).

This about-face by ICANN demonstrates yet again how major decisions by the organization are made without significant, broad public discourse. Ironically, it also reverses one of the more sensible arguments that ICANN had previously been making.

Unlike other "topic-specific" TLDs like dot-jobs or dot-travel, the existence of dot-ex-ex-ex is likely to create a political and litigious firestorm over time, as various government entities move to try force "adult" sites into the new domain space, and battles erupt over what an adult site is defined to be.

While some obviously hardcore sites will likely be enthusiastic about having an ostensibly "safe" TLD for operations, a vast number of sites that aren't hardcore, or that have a variety of materials -- only some of which are adult oriented in nature -- are likely to be far less willing to be categorized in that manner.

Will there be calls for any site with explicit photographs or texts (even in classical or health contexts) to be relegated to the new dot-ex-ex-ex domains? What about sites selling contraceptives, sexual aids, or "adult toys" of various kinds? Given the history of the religous right, these should not be considered to be far-fetched possibilities. Will it be mandated that you must "prove" your adult status (e.g., by identifying yourself with a credit card) before you may have access to the new domains? Certainly many organizations (and possibly even ISPs) will be pressured to block access, making "forced" population of the new TLD even more problematic.

And does this set a precedent that will be applied to other areas of Internet content control, especially if some or all of the Children's Online Protection Act (COPA) is upheld by the Supreme Court?

The creation of dot-ex-ex-ex may set the stage for potentially damaging and disruptive content control and censorship wars that we can hardly even imagine today. It's worth thinking through these issues very carefully before going down that path.


--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
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jman hit it on the spot , if others think different you are being fooled :2 cents: