i do not agree at all, as broughten up in this thread earlier the ".com" doesnt always have priority over the .net and .org. so if a .net and .org site get more traffic and have more income than the .com? you really think they are going to allow the ".com'ers" to just take the .xxx domain?

that is like saying that because you own adult.com and are an american citizen you should own adult.us. it is no ones fault that you put an xxx site on the .com. it just doesnt work that way, this will be a free for all just like all domain registration.

you cannot regulate domain registration based on prior registrations, if you own the trademark, thus you will just be going through the same steps as getting a .com.

How will this ever be a mandatory program? There will always be countries that reject the proposal and you could host your servers there.
What happens if you don't opt for moving from the .com gTLD will you be forced? if so, how? It's rather 'Chicken Little' to be predicting the death of the Porn industry with the release of a gTLD with a voluntary signup status.

perhaps, with the rampant paranoia you should ask that ICANN be moved to the United Nations? so when the Government trashcans the constitution and decides to remove all access to .XXX they cannot use ICANN as a vehicle to remove you to a .COM concentration camp? j/k

Out of those only sex.xxx is trademarked.


Out of these

sex.xxx
dick.xxx
porn.xxx
adult.xxx
bangbros.xxx
hardcore.xxx
pussy.xxx
fucked.xxx
webcam.xxx
webcams.xxx
livecams.xxx


Only sex porn and pussy are trademarked.

How would it cause a 40% decrease in sales?

So parents will now block all .xxx domains and schools will too. Thats less people who are not going to buy porn, meaning less bandwidth, but the same amount of sales.

Amen. :thumbsup

bingooooo, i cant wait for the tgp webmasters to come in here and try to argue with this.

its not about the extension, its about being grouped to where processors can knock us off.

Wow...
Lensman, wanted to hear what you say on this important matter, cause you are one of the very influential peeps in this whole biz. Now saying that I dont think that I am to comfortable with this very secret bunch or group of people selling this idea and using the "ASACP or the Child Protection angle" as there cover or selling point.

It just really makes me sick to my stomach to think that a small group of greedy people can sink that low to make some money.

Something smells like bullshit.

http://www.mikehawkmovies.com/cryin.jpg

1) you can have a voluntary .XXX -AND- US government prosecution via 2257 and obscenity.. so having .XXX or not doesn't alleviate government interactions.

Having a mandatory .XXX for US-based websites (much like with 2257) with just make it easier to prosecute, since it would no longer require DOJ onsite visits.. they simply need to check the location of the "offending" .COM, see that it is in US jurisdiction, and pretty quick to judgement. ISP could even be required to review all domains hosted at their faciilites for their "adult" classification. ISP are already required by law to report CP activities, so it's not a far stretch for ISP to be the watchdogs (and be legally required to do so).


2) ICANN wouldn't/couldn't enforce anything. Their organization is about self-labelling. WHile they support .XXX because it is a form of "labelling", they have no enforcement powers.

ICANN's authority exists globally, so ICANN could make it a content rule that adult related material must be in .XXX, but they have not taken that approach, and have instead, offered the TLD to be managed by ICM Registry. Certainly there are implications that public and private sector could use a .XXX extension for filtering, taxing (if US), etc, but that has nothing to do with ICANN, other than their approval gives the realistic and very feasible method for which all of the above can happen.

What could happen, is that pro-XXX lobbyists (including the US gov't) could convince other countries to do the same, thus getting to the global coverage of mandatory .XXX that you don't have a problem with.

If .XXX is to be something used as a tool to classify and categorize websites, it would seem better that the United Nations be the ones that administers this and collects the funds, since the scope is international. Imagine the situation where "your porn dollars at work" displayed over 3rd world country development projects as the revenue gained from sales of .XXX goes to good causes, rather than to those who are the private shareholders of ICM Registry (tho if you subscribe to "trickle down economics" then having a few fat cats is good for the economy then)



Fight the Voodoo Economics!

There will be a lot less traffic, would suck for skimming tgps because they cant skim out kids to other sites and hope for exchange of actuall surfers.

but kids dont buy passes.

Sadly I agree with you on this on...I can see lots of problems and headhaches :(

That would be a logistical nightmare.

i am still lost?

WHY IS THERE PROBLEMS AND HEADACHES?

you dont own the trademark you dont own the domain, just like any other extension.

Indeed a strange POV. Arguing that "dot xxx" would be the best way to STOP censorship is like arguing that the best way to lose weight is to three McDonalds extra values meals for dinner every night. Twisted logic, to say the least.

And the "protect the children" angle has been widely discredited. Is anyone still buying that?

Even though three congressmen are already lined up to MAKE this mandatory, who said the government is the biggest threat? Think credit cards.

I see a lot of ifs ands buts and ors here... feels like Saturday morning watching Schoolhouse Rock...

Ya know I recall several of my hosting clients telling me how no major upstream would be blocking spam traffic either as it accounted for a large percentage of bandwidth.

There are no assurances here other than this whole thing stinks from every angle. My guess is some of the "trademark" consultants are the same as the TLD consultants... speaking for the entire industry.

Best part is those buying into the xxx landgrab bonanza.

Its all FOOL'S GOLD!!!

That is never going to happen, from what I have heard. Never even heard it being discussed. Names will go on sale like any other names, and its optional in any case. There is no precedent for what you are suggesting, although obviously if I owned a big name .com I would think that was the ticket. :thumbsup

And --

In my view someday forcing porn into xxx might be a good thing. Obviously not too many of you have kids, or you would know that filters don't work. Take any pc loaded with filters and go google hunting, and you can quickly come up with porn. That is the problem and there is no apparent solution.

I don't like the .xxx idea, sure it would be cool to get a .xxx ending, but as long as we can still promote pron on .com

and I think moving all porn sites to .xxx is actually the worst way to stop censorship, then they just have to block that ending and all porn is censored...

correct :thumbsup

Dot Coms will have to get first pick or it will be a shit storm.

what he said , i would add arnold schwarzenegger blowing the head off a bad guy is not an issue , still its more dangerous in a child's mind than a girl sucking a dick

dont let juicy steal your thunder woj you gotta nail 100

bwaha i nailed it by mistake whoops.

I think it is great idea but what if someone else gets adult.xxx ?

WHY SHOULD THEY GET FIRST PICK!?

i see tons of you saying this in this thread WHY THE HELL SHOULD THEY GET FIRST PICK!?

you dont own the trademark YOU DO NOT OWN THE .xxx domain!

the only thing I'm worried about is that there's going to be some backroom deal to 'reserve' the best names for some organization that will use the revenue for the 'good of the industry' and I won't be part of it.

If that happens, I'm going to sue somebody dead.

Yes, but TGP's need that traffic. Less traffic for them = less gallery spot sales. :winkwink:

Isn't it amazing how some people will actually SUPPORT efforts that will completely fuck with their business? Gee, can't WAIT for the industry to fucking VOLUNTARILY help bring about the one fucking tool censors have been missing for the past ten fucking years... a way to lump all of us together. Fucking brilliant.

I guess money CAN buy people all the support they need if WEBMASTERS are actually here on GFY arguing that a "dot xxx" extension is a good idea. Amazing. Congrats Jason, looks like your money was well spent!

Because if we don't get it we'll tie the .xxx owner of our main .com domains up in litigation for the next 30 years.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

well guess what!? that is just to bad for you, you should have done something this has been in limbo for years and years, did you speak up?

how do you always "tie" it to the .com? you do not ALWAYS tie it to the .com, there is tons of sites out there that the other extensions are more well known that the .com counterparts.

you cant have your cake and eat it to.

I'm not telling you what's right or wrong, I'm telling you what's going to happen.

Update .xxx story from AVN
 

http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=229056

.xxx Raises More Eyebrows Than Excitement
By: MJ McMahon
Posted: 5:00 pm PDT 6-2-2005


TORONTO - Wednesday?s announcement that the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers has entered into commercial and technical negotiations with ICM Registry for the sponsored Top Level Domain (sTLD) .xxx raised more eyebrows than excitement. If all goes according to schedule, domains in the new sTLD will be available sometime between November 2005 and February 2006.

Although it is being marketed as a way to do away with child pornography and to keep minors away from adult entertainment, not everyone sees it that way. .....

It's LONG... click here for more.

I sale .net's cheap

no no im telling you what IS, this will not happen the .com'ers do not have any precidence over any other extension unless they own the trademark.

That's the ONLY thing you're worried about? Amazing... there are issues much larger than who gets what fucking domain name. Every single one of you who is supporting this thing will have no ground to stand on and complain when efforts are made to make this mandatory. Those of us who are against this, however, will know who to thank when this bullshit starts fucking with our business.

I guess short short .net's :1orglaugh

Good ... No more minors sufring tgps and wasting bandwith . I rather have 50 % of my traffic then corrupt the mind of a 14 years old .

How many % of tgp surfers are minor ? probably a lot ...

Dude, if you sued me over your damn non trademarked domain I'd give it to the first philipino guy that wanted it just to piss you off. What the FUCK makes you think because you have the .com of a domain that you own rights to all of them?

Do you have .co.uk?
Do you have .co.jp?
Do you have .jp?
Do you have .nu?
Do you have .cn?
Do you have .ca?
Do you have the xx other tld's registered?

What in Gods name makes you people think .xxx is limited to one country? It is WORLDWIDE and there is no way you can just assume ownership without a trademark. Even then you are dealing with foreign trademarks of the same. And if I happen to stumble onto one of your domains and register it, SUE ME.

.xxx is being pushed by some of the top players so they can rake in on the money .. bottom line.

Follow the discussion - we were talking about COMPANIES blocking them. Adults working at companies have credit cards and contrary to some people assertions, they DO buy porn while they're at work.

Also colleges could block xxx - again, ADULTS using credit cards would be blocked.

Those are just two examples.

Will they find other ways to buy it? Probably. But porn is an impulse buy: if they can't buy from your site right then it's doubtful they'll write the URL down and try it again later from a different computer.

This is really nothing new in adult online history. People will always screw people over for a quick buck.

Anyway you look at it, .xxx is stupid. Its just a select few looking to make a quick buck.

I think .com's should be grandfathered, for this simple reason. It is the most popular extension by far and it was intended for commercial purposes. .net and .org although they were opened up for everyone, that wasnt their intended purpose.

For someone to heavily develop a .net wouldnt make any sense, when someone else would own the more popular .com and benefit from the marketing they would do.



People should tell xxx to screw off and not buy any.