Epic Cash moves to its own merch acct!!!!!!!!!!! - GoFuckYourself.com

p1mpdogg · 06-01-2005, 08:31 AM

I will personally guarantee that we will double our sales and make our webmasters double. details will be disclosed shortly on the new3 changes made in the best intrest of Epic Cash and our webmasters so we all make more... look for our newsletter very soon. possibly late today

justsexxx · 06-01-2005, 08:32 AM

SO you are getting 50% denials now from your cascade billing structure? Strange...That is pretty high.

xclusive · 06-01-2005, 08:34 AM

Thats awesome p1mpdogg I hope to see a lot more money from you guys now

TheDoc · 06-01-2005, 08:34 AM

I had heard through the grapevine that 15% more sales is normal on your own merchant account. The biggest difference was things became steady, rather than bouncing all over the place. But, if your CB's are low, you could adjust your personal scrub to increase sales slowly.

brand0n · 06-01-2005, 08:36 AM

congrads, just carefull with those chargebacks

Ice · 06-01-2005, 08:37 AM

nice on Trey.... good job

Fetish · 06-01-2005, 09:16 AM

Having your own merchant account through Netbilling is the only way to go IMO. Are you using them too? We have for a long time now and have excellent conversions.

Manowar · 06-01-2005, 09:18 AM

sweet!. everyone go sign up

BVF · 06-01-2005, 09:36 AM

Hey what corporate name does epiccash use on their checks? I don't remember ever seeing a check from epiccash and I've had some banners up for a couple of months now. HOwever, I get checks from unknown corporate names and one of them could be you.

Fetish · 06-01-2005, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I had heard through the grapevine that 15% more sales is normal on your own merchant account. The biggest difference was things became steady, rather than bouncing all over the place. But, if your CB's are low, you could adjust your personal scrub to increase sales slowly.

You are absolutely correct

Nicky · 06-01-2005, 09:42 AM

sounds good Trey

chadglni · 06-01-2005, 09:44 AM

Personal merchant accounts rock for this business and definatly pad the bottom line.

p1mpdogg · 06-01-2005, 09:50 AM

we use netbilling

bvf hit me up

icq 141588569

Lace · 06-01-2005, 09:57 AM

Good shit Trey. Hope it works out for the better.

Kimmykim · 06-01-2005, 10:00 AM

I'm certainly all for merchant accounts, after all, I do write them -- doubling your sales without doubling your traffic by changing to a merchant account isn't realistic though.

chadglni · 06-01-2005, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim

I'm certainly all for merchant accounts, after all, I do write them -- doubling your sales without doubling your traffic by changing to a merchant account isn't realistic though.

Perhaps if he quits redirecting his foreign traffic to a dialer and sends them through the new system instead? I know when I push cams a huge number of signups come from countries that can't use a credit card through the IPSPs.

stev0 · 06-01-2005, 10:03 AM

that's awsome news man!

SplitInfinity · 06-01-2005, 10:04 AM

Good Move Trey! Thats gonna be a breadwinning move.
:-)

Furious_Male · 06-01-2005, 10:05 AM

Sounds real good. I will bring my dormant account out of hiding for this and send you guys some traffic.

WiredGuy · 06-01-2005, 10:06 AM

How do you find the transactions are compared to going through Epoch or another IPSP?
WG

Kimmykim · 06-01-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Perhaps if he quits redirecting his foreign traffic to a dialer and sends them through the new system instead? I know when I push cams a huge number of signups come from countries that can't use a credit card through the IPSPs.

Actually the last time I checked, the number of banned countries with Paycom and CCBill were a little over 30 each, with most of them being the same. And for very good reason... some countries are chargeback nightmares -- and doubling your sales while doubling (or worse) your chargebacks isn't necessarily a gain overall when you take into account chargeback limits and the fine potentials.

Donny · 06-01-2005, 10:16 AM

As one person already asked, will you be using netbilling?

Donny · 06-01-2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

we use netbilling

bvf hit me up

icq 141588569

I should have hit "refresh" before asking. LOL

BradShaw · 06-01-2005, 10:17 AM

IMHO there is a reason so few big programs use their own merchant accounts. Few can do it sucessfully, I know I have always steered away from it. If you guys can pull it off, hats off to you.

chadglni · 06-01-2005, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Actually the last time I checked, the number of banned countries with Paycom and CCBill were a little over 30 each, with most of them being the same. And for very good reason... some countries are chargeback nightmares -- and doubling your sales while doubling (or worse) your chargebacks isn't necessarily a gain overall when you take into account chargeback limits and the fine potentials.

Hmmm, ok. I don't have a ton of experience with 3rd party billers but my ratios were always much worse. I always heard it was "scrub". :/

Kimmykim · 06-01-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Hmmm, ok. I don't have a ton of experience with 3rd party billers but my ratios were always much worse. I always heard it was "scrub". :/

I realize everyone always wants to blame it on the scrub, but that doesn't really make sense if you look at it.

When does a processor (be it third party or gateway) make money? On the % they take when you process a transaction. If you aren't processing transactions, then they aren't making money on you.

NO processor that I know of (and I do know the IPSPs rather well) wants to turn down good transactions. They don't profit from that at all.

What they do want, which isn't rocket science, is the largest number of transactions that fall into certain risk parameters that they can get their hands on in a given time period.

There's also a reason that certain countries are banned from certain processors. It's called risk management. If you have a history of certain countries or BINs being nothing but trouble, why on earth would you risk those countries -- which make such a minor portion of the sales, causing you to incur fines of $50 to $100 PER CHARGEBACK on ALL chargebacks?

You don't let a few bad apples spoil the lot, you cull them out and make a pie from the good apples.

NETbilling · 06-01-2005, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw

IMHO there is a reason so few big programs use their own merchant accounts. Few can do it sucessfully, I know I have always steered away from it. If you guys can pull it off, hats off to you.

Brad,

Actually, there are more and more "large programs" using their own merchant accounts more now, than in the past several years. We are here to help them manage them successfully. And once you finally do, you will see the difference too. I'm not knocking 3rd party at all but their comes a time where many business owners want to "take control" of their money. With the tools and services that we offer, you can easily achieve that control and increase your bottom line. Merchants are smart enough these days to be responsible with their merchant accounts, keep the scrub levels where they should be and provide quality content, while providing good customer service or having us (or another gateway/call center) do it for them.

Mitch

Donny · 06-01-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim

I realize everyone always wants to blame it on the scrub, but that doesn't really make sense if you look at it.

When does a processor (be it third party or gateway) make money? On the % they take when you process a transaction. If you aren't processing transactions, then they aren't making money on you.

NO processor that I know of (and I do know the IPSPs rather well) wants to turn down good transactions. They don't profit from that at all.

What they do want, which isn't rocket science, is the largest number of transactions that fall into certain risk parameters that they can get their hands on in a given time period.

There's also a reason that certain countries are banned from certain processors. It's called risk management. If you have a history of certain countries or BINs being nothing but trouble, why on earth would you risk those countries -- which make such a minor portion of the sales, causing you to incur fines of $50 to $100 PER CHARGEBACK on ALL chargebacks?

You don't let a few bad apples spoil the lot, you cull them out and make a pie from the good apples.

Oh for God's sake stop making sense! This is GFY!

chadglni · 06-01-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

Oh for God's sake stop making sense! This is GFY!

Well let me make a little sense. For WHATEVER the reason may be, I make more money sending to companies with their own merchant accounts. It really doesn't matter the reason but I can't go from good conversions to shitty conversions on the same type of site and be expected to keep sending traffic.

BradShaw · 06-01-2005, 10:49 AM

We have considering trying it out. First time we were turned down, next time they wanted too much paperwork including a full personal financial statement.

Terry · 06-01-2005, 10:50 AM

That is GREAT news! Congrats!

ArkansasDave · 06-01-2005, 10:51 AM

Nice work guys!

chowda · 06-01-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

Brad,

Actually, there are more and more "large programs" using their own merchant accounts more now, than in the past several years. We are here to help them manage them successfully. And once you finally do, you will see the difference too. I'm not knocking 3rd party at all but their comes a time where many business owners want to "take control" of their money. With the tools and services that we offer, you can easily achieve that control and increase your bottom line. Merchants are smart enough these days to be responsible with their merchant accounts, keep the scrub levels where they should be and provide quality content, while providing good customer service or having us (or another gateway/call center) do it for them.

Mitch

do u guys process in euros and can handle switch solo uk debit cards?

D-Money · 06-01-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

Brad,

Actually, there are more and more "large programs" using their own merchant accounts more now, than in the past several years. We are here to help them manage them successfully. And once you finally do, you will see the difference too. I'm not knocking 3rd party at all but their comes a time where many business owners want to "take control" of their money. With the tools and services that we offer, you can easily achieve that control and increase your bottom line. Merchants are smart enough these days to be responsible with their merchant accounts, keep the scrub levels where they should be and provide quality content, while providing good customer service or having us (or another gateway/call center) do it for them.

Mitch

I've only heard great things about Netbilling.

NETbilling · 06-01-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw

We have considering trying it out. First time we were turned down, next time they wanted too much paperwork including a full personal financial statement.

Since it is your merchant account, the bank is taking risk on you. When you have a high volume account, you must back it up with financials. It is what it is.

Mitch

Kimmykim · 06-01-2005, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

Brad,

Actually, there are more and more "large programs" using their own merchant accounts more now, than in the past several years. We are here to help them manage them successfully. And once you finally do, you will see the difference too. I'm not knocking 3rd party at all but their comes a time where many business owners want to "take control" of their money. With the tools and services that we offer, you can easily achieve that control and increase your bottom line. Merchants are smart enough these days to be responsible with their merchant accounts, keep the scrub levels where they should be and provide quality content, while providing good customer service or having us (or another gateway/call center) do it for them.

Mitch

This isn't rocket science, and Mitch is quite right. It's up to the merchant account holder to manage their own scrub, at least to a degree. With the new Mastercard agreement that we use, the bank and the gateway is on the hook just like the merchant (to a degree) so it's in everyone's best interests to manage the throughput wisely.

Banks aren't stupid these days either, there are reasons they want to see what kind of risk a merchant might become.

bigdog · 06-01-2005, 11:07 AM

p1mpdogg will you guys have your own cross sells with your own merchant account?

NETbilling · 06-01-2005, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

This isn't rocket science, and Mitch is quite right. It's up to the merchant account holder to manage their own scrub, at least to a degree. With the new Mastercard agreement that we use, the bank and the gateway is on the hook just like the merchant (to a degree) so it's in everyone's best interests to manage the throughput wisely.

Banks aren't stupid these days either, there are reasons they want to see what kind of risk a merchant might become.

You and I should start a company together :-)

Mitch

NETbilling · 06-01-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

we use netbilling

bvf hit me up

icq 141588569

It is great to have you live with us. Let me know if you need anything at all!

Mitch

Fetish · 06-02-2005, 09:02 PM

So how have sales been since switching?

p1mpdogg · 06-02-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

p1mpdogg will you guys have your own cross sells with your own merchant account?

in the near future we will

p1mpdogg · 06-02-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fetish

So how have sales been since switching?

I would have to say alot better. its only been a 2 days, and we have some tweaking todo.. but overall, i am very happy

Snake Doctor · 06-02-2005, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw

We have considering trying it out. First time we were turned down, next time they wanted too much paperwork including a full personal financial statement.

You were afraid they'd turn it over to the IRS?

venus · 06-02-2005, 11:20 PM

welcome to the club

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

I will personally guarantee that we will double our sales and make our webmasters double. details will be disclosed shortly on the new3 changes made in the best intrest of Epic Cash and our webmasters so we all make more... look for our newsletter very soon. possibly late today

smack · 06-02-2005, 11:21 PM

sounds good p1mpdogg.

can't wait to see my ratios.

Matt_WildCash · 06-02-2005, 11:29 PM

We are setting up with Netbilling right now (delayed a bit in EU but hopefully soon) can't wait it will easily kick butt over 3rd party processing with all the scrubbing going on. Can't even join any of our sites from New Zealand or Australia. Talk about wasted money.

venus · 06-02-2005, 11:30 PM

There used to be a time when "big programs" only wanted to use 3rd party because they were not responsible for the chargebacks and they did not want to mess with customer service.
Now that visa put the clamps down on 3rd party processors they have to be more responsible and cancel people when they want canceled, watch cross selling and other tricks that used to be used so commonly.
as for cust. support, netbilling makes it a no brainer. they have a call center that will handle it for you. There is nothing to pull off, its just about being responsible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradShaw

IMHO there is a reason so few big programs use their own merchant accounts. Few can do it sucessfully, I know I have always steered away from it. If you guys can pull it off, hats off to you.

adonthenet · 06-02-2005, 11:33 PM

its bout time =)

Fetish · 06-03-2005, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

There used to be a time when "big programs" only wanted to use 3rd party because they were not responsible for the chargebacks and they did not want to mess with customer service.
Now that visa put the clamps down on 3rd party processors they have to be more responsible and cancel people when they want canceled, watch cross selling and other tricks that used to be used so commonly.
as for cust. support, netbilling makes it a no brainer. they have a call center that will handle it for you. There is nothing to pull off, its just about being responsible.

You are so right Venus. Chargeback ratios are the same whether you run third party or have your own merchant account. So why not have it in your own hands and save some money?

RudeBrett · 06-03-2005, 09:19 AM

Sammy and I have processed with our own merchant accounts since 99'. We are happy to have Netbilling as our Number 1 gateway in our cascade.

Mitch has a top notch service with a great support team.

Congrats on the move Epic I'm sure you will be happy.

06-01-2005, 08:31 AM	#1
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	Epic Cash moves to its own merch acct!!!!!!!!!!! I will personally guarantee that we will double our sales and make our webmasters double. details will be disclosed shortly on the new3 changes made in the best intrest of Epic Cash and our webmasters so we all make more... look for our newsletter very soon. possibly late today __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

06-01-2005, 08:32 AM	#2
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	SO you are getting 50% denials now from your cascade billing structure? Strange...That is pretty high. __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

06-01-2005, 08:34 AM	#3
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	Thats awesome p1mpdogg I hope to see a lot more money from you guys now __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

06-01-2005, 08:34 AM	#4
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	I had heard through the grapevine that 15% more sales is normal on your own merchant account. The biggest difference was things became steady, rather than bouncing all over the place. But, if your CB's are low, you could adjust your personal scrub to increase sales slowly. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

06-01-2005, 08:36 AM	#5
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	congrads, just carefull with those chargebacks __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

06-01-2005, 08:37 AM	#6
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06-01-2005, 09:16 AM	#7
Fetish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 823	Having your own merchant account through Netbilling is the only way to go IMO. Are you using them too? We have for a long time now and have excellent conversions. Last edited by Fetish; 06-01-2005 at 09:18 AM..

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Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	sweet!. everyone go sign up

06-01-2005, 09:36 AM	#9
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	Hey what corporate name does epiccash use on their checks? I don't remember ever seeing a check from epiccash and I've had some banners up for a couple of months now. HOwever, I get checks from unknown corporate names and one of them could be you. __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!!

06-01-2005, 09:42 AM	#11
Nicky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	sounds good Trey __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

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chadglni Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PEI, Canada Posts: 6,924	Personal merchant accounts rock for this business and definatly pad the bottom line. __________________ Sign up here - Dating Site affiliate program

06-01-2005, 09:50 AM	#13
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	we use netbilling bvf hit me up icq 141588569 __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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Lace Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,116	Good shit Trey. Hope it works out for the better. __________________ Your Paysite Partner Strength In Numbers! StickyDollars \| RadicalCash \| KennysPennies \| HomegrownCash

06-01-2005, 10:00 AM	#15
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	I'm certainly all for merchant accounts, after all, I do write them -- doubling your sales without doubling your traffic by changing to a merchant account isn't realistic though.

06-01-2005, 10:03 AM	#17
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	that's awsome news man!

06-01-2005, 10:04 AM	#18
SplitInfinity Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,047	Good Move Trey! Thats gonna be a breadwinning move. :-)

06-01-2005, 10:05 AM	#19
Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,881	Sounds real good. I will bring my dormant account out of hiding for this and send you guys some traffic. __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

06-01-2005, 10:06 AM	#20
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	How do you find the transactions are compared to going through Epoch or another IPSP? WG __________________ I play with Google.

06-01-2005, 10:16 AM	#22
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	As one person already asked, will you be using netbilling?

06-01-2005, 10:17 AM	#24
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	IMHO there is a reason so few big programs use their own merchant accounts. Few can do it sucessfully, I know I have always steered away from it. If you guys can pull it off, hats off to you. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

06-01-2005, 10:49 AM	#30
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	We have considering trying it out. First time we were turned down, next time they wanted too much paperwork including a full personal financial statement. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

06-01-2005, 10:50 AM	#31
Terry Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,604	That is GREAT news! Congrats! __________________ TengaCash ICQ: 6776764

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06-01-2005, 11:07 AM	#37
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	p1mpdogg will you guys have your own cross sells with your own merchant account?

06-02-2005, 09:02 PM	#40
Fetish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 823	So how have sales been since switching?

06-02-2005, 11:21 PM	#45
smack Push Porn Like Weight. Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Inside .NET Posts: 10,652	sounds good p1mpdogg. can't wait to see my ratios. __________________ Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

06-02-2005, 11:29 PM	#46
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	We are setting up with Netbilling right now (delayed a bit in EU but hopefully soon) can't wait it will easily kick butt over 3rd party processing with all the scrubbing going on. Can't even join any of our sites from New Zealand or Australia. Talk about wasted money.

06-02-2005, 11:33 PM	#48
adonthenet Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,753	its bout time =)

06-03-2005, 09:19 AM	#50
RudeBrett Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 313	Sammy and I have processed with our own merchant accounts since 99'. We are happy to have Netbilling as our Number 1 gateway in our cascade. Mitch has a top notch service with a great support team. Congrats on the move Epic I'm sure you will be happy. __________________ Former owner of Sammy4u, SammyTyler and RUDE