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tony286 · 05-31-2005, 02:28 PM

Great article by Mike South, we should be doing more of this

Why Do We Let Them Do This Shit?:

I read Dr Reisman's article on worldnetdaily.com today.

I couldn't help but respond. I sent her the following...copied to the editor at worldnetdaily.com

Dr Reisman,

I have worked in the adult video industry for 13+ years, prior to that time I was a computer scientist at NASA and have worked for about every defense contractor known to man.

I entered the adult industry pretty much by accident but I found that it wasn't at all what I thought it was, I found kindred spirits and equally professional people, people like Dave Conners, a retired Lt Colonel, former advisor to the Joint Cheifs of Staff and instructor at West Point. A man who anyone can respect, and a pornographer.

You made the quote:
"However, pornography is no joke. Thousands of children are kidnapped each year and forced into sex slavery ? commonly preserved as pornography. In 1999, the U.S. Department of Justice recorded 58,200 children kidnapped by non-family members! "

What you failed to do is link this, in any way, shape or form to pornography. We have plenty of adults who willingly get into this business, we don't need or want children. As for myself there are even some adults I won't shoot because I don't think them to be mature enough to be doing it, or I think they are doing it for the wrong reasons, those reasons include drugs and as a quick fix to a financial problem that will only return in another month or so.

If what you are saying is that these abductions indicate that prostitution should be outlawed then again I think you miss the point. Legalized prostitution makes both the women and the men safer, one only need to look at Nevada Brothels to understand that. When prostitutes have a clean and safe place to work they don't have to work in the streets, which should be illegal. They don't have to be scared to call the police and report a crime, robbery, or assault against them.

You state:

"Despite present denials, pornographers would like to see us legalize prostitution and child pornography, as well as all mind-altering drugs like marijuana, LSD, cocaine. These "businesses" will really "contribute" billions to the national economy. "

Come on Doctor Reisman, you know as well as I that you are grandstanding here. I do not know of one pornographer, and I know LOTS of them, who would support child pornography or even lowering the age of majority, in fact many support raising the age to 21.

As for legalizing prostitution, yes most pornographers would probably agree with that one, but so does a large portion of the population not in pornography, maybe even a majority of us. After all should it really be illegal to sell something that it is perfectly legal to give away? And is the regulation of consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes and businesses really a proper function of government? The Republican Party claims to be the party of less government so why do they want to put government agencies in our homes to monitor and approve our sexual behaviour?

Now when it comes to legalization of drugs, I would guess the adult industry would be as split on that statistically as the American population is, plenty would oppose such a move and plenty would applaud it.

In conclusion I would like to point out the following:

Your underage son or daughter is:

OVER 100,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a family member or a friend than by someone in the adult industry

OVER 10,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a clergy member than by someone in the adult industry

OVER 10,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a teacher or day care provider than by someone in the adult industry

OVER 10,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a complete stranger than by someone in the adult industry

OVER 1,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a member of the American Family Association than by someone in the adult industry

So why is it everyone seems to be pointing the finger of blame at us? Child abusers go where the children are, there are no children in porn.

Could we just for once, stop with the rhetoric and untruths about the adult industry and present us fairly?

Could we for once just step back and say hey it's just sex, we are all adults what you do in your bedroom is no more my business that it is your business what I do in mine?

The sexual exploitation of children is a particularly abhorrent crime, could we for once start looking for it where it really happens? If ending this exploitation is really your goal maybe you and I have common ground. If not please feel free to continue to push an agenda that in reality is nothing more than an attempt to circumvent the free speech rights of consenting adults.

I don't expect you to publish this, nor do I expect to change your mind, but I do hope I have at least educated you to some degree

who · 05-31-2005, 02:31 PM

Is this something about pedos?

tony286 · 05-31-2005, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .?.

Is this something about pedos?

no take the time to read it

Babagirls · 05-31-2005, 02:35 PM

im not reading that.

ElvisManson · 05-31-2005, 02:36 PM

anyone who is too lazy to read that should get out of porn now. You are doing our industry more harm than the new 2257 regs.

Aly · 05-31-2005, 02:37 PM

WELL DONE!!!!

Thanks for taking the time to write and send that!

who · 05-31-2005, 02:37 PM

Sorry I'm a little intoxicated, but I can't make any heads or tails out of your post.

Are you saying, why is prostitution illegal?

who · 05-31-2005, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

anyone who is too lazy to read that should get out of porn now. You are doing our industry more harm than the new 2257 regs.

Nothing important is ever learnt from reading. People need first hand experience, or a conversation at a bar, before they ever learn and understand anything properly.

Peaches · 05-31-2005, 02:39 PM

As always, Mike makes excellent and valid points. But the bottom line is that pornographers will ALWAYS be looked down on and associated with CP by those who don't want to take the time to get the facts. We all knew that when we started in this biz.

ElvisManson · 05-31-2005, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .?.

Nothing important is ever learnt from reading. People need first hand experience, or a conversation at a bar, before they ever learn and understand anything properly.

I must be stupider then i thaught then.

DWB · 05-31-2005, 02:40 PM

Mike rocks. Great read.

For those of you who don't read his site: MikeSouth.com

who · 05-31-2005, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

I must be stupider then i thaught then.

Or soberer...
Sorry, feel free to disregard all of my comments for the next 7 hours. If I make any more, you should assume I'm sleep typing.

who · 05-31-2005, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

As always, Mike makes excellent and valid points. But the bottom line is that pornographers will ALWAYS be looked down on and associated with CP by those who don't want to take the time to get the facts. We all knew that when we started in this biz.

Ah I get it, and in that case, I completely and utterly agree with him.
It's one of the curses that too many people in here just don't want to address.

For example... let's look at all those non-nude 'erotic' underage sites featuring 'models'... Too many people in here say it's not doing any harm to us or our business. I say IT IS!

ElvisManson · 05-31-2005, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

As always, Mike makes excellent and valid points. But the bottom line is that pornographers will ALWAYS be looked down on and associated with CP by those who don't want to take the time to get the facts. We all knew that when we started in this biz.

Unfortunately, I think it is that same repressive attitude towards sex that makes us a lot of our money. If the average American had a more open attitude about their own sexuality our industry might not be as looked down on as it is now. We'd also make a lot less money.

spacemonk · 05-31-2005, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

Great article by Mike South......

Awesome read

Machete_ · 05-31-2005, 02:51 PM

good reading.. I like that he pulls out some stats.. stats are what people understand, non of that other spindoctoring.. just facts and stats

Michaelious · 05-31-2005, 03:30 PM

love the article, totally agree.

Violetta · 05-31-2005, 03:32 PM

well written!! Good job!

mikesouth · 05-31-2005, 09:23 PM

Thanks Guys

I have engaged Dr reisman. I know a lot more about her than she knows about me. She has yet to respond but the once thats on my site

FYI her Phd is not in any branch of sociology or psychology it is in communications

she was a member of the Meese Commision on pornography

I doubt she will respond because she knows I have called her on her poorly written opinion.

kernelpanic · 05-31-2005, 09:25 PM

Bingo, well written, and agreed. Its unfortunate that the adult industry is a scapegoat, but such can be expected when religious/moral propagandists have infiltrated every major news outlet, and enjoy significant representation among federal officials.

sniperwolf · 05-31-2005, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

anyone who is too lazy to read that should get out of porn now. You are doing our industry more harm than the new 2257 regs.

Quote:

OVER 100,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a family member or a friend than by someone in the adult industry

now this is what I hate the most!!!

Mr.Fiction · 05-31-2005, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth

she was a member of the Meese Commision on pornography

World Net Daily is one of those right wing propaganda sites that claims to be news. It is a propaganda site, not news.

Good job standing up to them.

NTSS · 05-31-2005, 09:32 PM

Nice letter...send her one via snailmail too

candyflip · 05-31-2005, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

no take the time to read it

No offense but you should have taken the time to proofread it before sending it off.

$pikes · 05-31-2005, 09:42 PM

one of the best posts i've read. Thanks!

nekrom · 05-31-2005, 09:47 PM

Excellent rhetoric, I wonder if the reciever actualy bothered to read it, or just shit caned it.

-N

Webby · 05-31-2005, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

Great article by Mike South, we should be doing more of this

Why Do We Let Them Do This Shit?:

I read Dr Reisman's article on worldnetdaily.com today.

I couldn't help but respond. I sent her the following...copied to the editor at worldnetdaily.com

Well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And.. while on the subject of protecting children :-)

(a) Version of USC 2257 which has been on the table since the 90's, has not had one instigation of action since that time for the protection of children.

Why?

I understand the US Govt created this Act exactly for the purpose of child protection. Are we just talking the talk and not walking the walk?

(b) It was six months ago now that the US Gov, for the first time ever, actually give up a body for prosecution after that individual committed multiple sexual offences against children in another country.

Other nations never seem to have this hesitancy problem prosecuting pedos. Why does the US have a problem?

BTW... That first instance in US history of allowing a pedo to be prosecuted elsewhere did not come easy. It took over 2 years "negotiating" and finally threats of embarassment internationally before the DOJ saw sense.

For a Govt that is now showing this great concern over children by "hyping" a new version of 2257, - sorry, the cred ain't there. A leopard is known for it's spots and track record.

PS... Personal and serious note :-) Frankly, that is the main reason, forgetting the "biz", that I got no intention of complying or being involved in any USC 2257 bullshit. I got more respect for children than has been shown by the US.

Greg B · 05-31-2005, 10:35 PM

AWESOME!!!

I dinna know you were that high up in NASA!

Fucking awesome article!

I've been saying it all along.

Slavery and prostitution are our oldest institutions as a civilized species. All those millenia of evolution just so's we could kidnap and fuck everyone moving.

I still say ever since the proliferation of mainstream porn, global massacres have decreased. Sure there's that occassional megalomaniac and maybe a million people get bumped off but it's a shy short of the tens of millions since the days of Alexander the Great.

I guess people are too busy doin' the nasty to be concerned with murder on a global basis. Only extreme right wingers and extreme left wingers engage in that bizarre perverse murder everybody shit.

Ever look at the average 'serial killer' ???

They look like they just guest starred on an episode of 'Brady Bunch' or '700 Club'.

From Ed Gein up to Jeffrey Dahmer evil proliferates because it's smart enough to camouflage itself as the going norm.

Wolf in sheeps clothing is an understatement.

FilthyRob · 06-01-2005, 05:53 AM

Good post

Dirty-Dough · 06-01-2005, 06:07 AM

Writing such does nothing more then easing your mind.. Which isn't a bad thing necesarely...

cool1 · 06-01-2005, 06:57 AM

"mind-altering drugs like marijuana"
Since when is Weed mind altering? I think I neeed to do some of the weed This Doctor Reisman, has been smoking
she doesn't really have a clue does she?

Terry · 06-01-2005, 07:06 AM

tony404 .. YOU ROCK!

Phoenix · 06-01-2005, 07:06 AM

congrats on the intiative

this needs to be done one a large scale...basically by everyone

nico-t · 06-01-2005, 07:12 AM

very good read. Props

Kevsh · 06-01-2005, 07:29 AM

Very well-worded letter and well-researched too, congrats!

But the sad truth is that most people outside of the industry are willfully ignorant as to what really goes on. They don't know and they don't want to know, they'd rather stick to their stereotypical views and not have them challenged by anyone or anything - including the truth.

ddfGandalf · 06-01-2005, 07:33 AM

Great read.

nikad · 06-01-2005, 07:36 AM

Congrats for your letter, of course the 2257 won't help at all against CP, all your points are valid, and I guess we will be fucked in the ass until we unite and have some serious representation.
Nik

uvort · 06-01-2005, 07:42 AM

Thanks for the read Mike

FunForOne · 06-01-2005, 07:46 AM

Well written.

What is your opinion on the people that dress up legal girls with lollipops and braces, put teddy bears in the pic beside them and do everything except out right say the girl is a 12 year old.

Aren't they feeding the child porn? Although it is technically legal, I see it as a problem. Is it ok to feed the child porn people as long as you do it legally?

I'm sorry to say that you cant report that it is just a few, I can show you thumbs from tgps advertised on gfy.

Shaft_1971 · 06-01-2005, 07:51 AM

Very well written.

Shaft

05-31-2005, 02:28 PM	#1
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Why Do We Let Them Do This Shit? Great article by Mike South, we should be doing more of this Why Do We Let Them Do This Shit?: I read Dr Reisman's article on worldnetdaily.com today. I couldn't help but respond. I sent her the following...copied to the editor at worldnetdaily.com Dr Reisman, I have worked in the adult video industry for 13+ years, prior to that time I was a computer scientist at NASA and have worked for about every defense contractor known to man. I entered the adult industry pretty much by accident but I found that it wasn't at all what I thought it was, I found kindred spirits and equally professional people, people like Dave Conners, a retired Lt Colonel, former advisor to the Joint Cheifs of Staff and instructor at West Point. A man who anyone can respect, and a pornographer. You made the quote: "However, pornography is no joke. Thousands of children are kidnapped each year and forced into sex slavery ? commonly preserved as pornography. In 1999, the U.S. Department of Justice recorded 58,200 children kidnapped by non-family members! " What you failed to do is link this, in any way, shape or form to pornography. We have plenty of adults who willingly get into this business, we don't need or want children. As for myself there are even some adults I won't shoot because I don't think them to be mature enough to be doing it, or I think they are doing it for the wrong reasons, those reasons include drugs and as a quick fix to a financial problem that will only return in another month or so. If what you are saying is that these abductions indicate that prostitution should be outlawed then again I think you miss the point. Legalized prostitution makes both the women and the men safer, one only need to look at Nevada Brothels to understand that. When prostitutes have a clean and safe place to work they don't have to work in the streets, which should be illegal. They don't have to be scared to call the police and report a crime, robbery, or assault against them. You state: "Despite present denials, pornographers would like to see us legalize prostitution and child pornography, as well as all mind-altering drugs like marijuana, LSD, cocaine. These "businesses" will really "contribute" billions to the national economy. " Come on Doctor Reisman, you know as well as I that you are grandstanding here. I do not know of one pornographer, and I know LOTS of them, who would support child pornography or even lowering the age of majority, in fact many support raising the age to 21. As for legalizing prostitution, yes most pornographers would probably agree with that one, but so does a large portion of the population not in pornography, maybe even a majority of us. After all should it really be illegal to sell something that it is perfectly legal to give away? And is the regulation of consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes and businesses really a proper function of government? The Republican Party claims to be the party of less government so why do they want to put government agencies in our homes to monitor and approve our sexual behaviour? Now when it comes to legalization of drugs, I would guess the adult industry would be as split on that statistically as the American population is, plenty would oppose such a move and plenty would applaud it. In conclusion I would like to point out the following: Your underage son or daughter is: OVER 100,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a family member or a friend than by someone in the adult industry OVER 10,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a clergy member than by someone in the adult industry OVER 10,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a teacher or day care provider than by someone in the adult industry OVER 10,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a complete stranger than by someone in the adult industry OVER 1,000 times MORE likely to be sexually abused by a member of the American Family Association than by someone in the adult industry So why is it everyone seems to be pointing the finger of blame at us? Child abusers go where the children are, there are no children in porn. Could we just for once, stop with the rhetoric and untruths about the adult industry and present us fairly? Could we for once just step back and say hey it's just sex, we are all adults what you do in your bedroom is no more my business that it is your business what I do in mine? The sexual exploitation of children is a particularly abhorrent crime, could we for once start looking for it where it really happens? If ending this exploitation is really your goal maybe you and I have common ground. If not please feel free to continue to push an agenda that in reality is nothing more than an attempt to circumvent the free speech rights of consenting adults. I don't expect you to publish this, nor do I expect to change your mind, but I do hope I have at least educated you to some degree

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Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	As always, Mike makes excellent and valid points. But the bottom line is that pornographers will ALWAYS be looked down on and associated with CP by those who don't want to take the time to get the facts. We all knew that when we started in this biz. Last edited by Peaches; 05-31-2005 at 02:41 PM..

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ElvisManson Looking California Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 5,476	anyone who is too lazy to read that should get out of porn now. You are doing our industry more harm than the new 2257 regs.

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Machete_ WINNING! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,579	good reading.. I like that he pulls out some stats.. stats are what people understand, non of that other spindoctoring.. just facts and stats

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05-31-2005, 09:23 PM	#19
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	Thanks Guys I have engaged Dr reisman. I know a lot more about her than she knows about me. She has yet to respond but the once thats on my site FYI her Phd is not in any branch of sociology or psychology it is in communications she was a member of the Meese Commision on pornography I doubt she will respond because she knows I have called her on her poorly written opinion. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

05-31-2005, 09:25 PM	#20
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Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	AWESOME!!! I dinna know you were that high up in NASA! Fucking awesome article! I've been saying it all along. Slavery and prostitution are our oldest institutions as a civilized species. All those millenia of evolution just so's we could kidnap and fuck everyone moving. I still say ever since the proliferation of mainstream porn, global massacres have decreased. Sure there's that occassional megalomaniac and maybe a million people get bumped off but it's a shy short of the tens of millions since the days of Alexander the Great. I guess people are too busy doin' the nasty to be concerned with murder on a global basis. Only extreme right wingers and extreme left wingers engage in that bizarre perverse murder everybody shit. Ever look at the average 'serial killer' ??? They look like they just guest starred on an episode of 'Brady Bunch' or '700 Club'. From Ed Gein up to Jeffrey Dahmer evil proliferates because it's smart enough to camouflage itself as the going norm. Wolf in sheeps clothing is an understatement.

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Kevsh Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: TO Posts: 8,619	Very well-worded letter and well-researched too, congrats! But the sad truth is that most people outside of the industry are willfully ignorant as to what really goes on. They don't know and they don't want to know, they'd rather stick to their stereotypical views and not have them challenged by anyone or anything - including the truth.

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nikad Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: BA Posts: 2,579	Thumbs up Congrats for your letter, of course the 2257 won't help at all against CP, all your points are valid, and I guess we will be fucked in the ass until we unite and have some serious representation. Nik __________________ The Filthy Few [email protected]

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06-01-2005, 07:46 AM	#39
FunForOne Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 8,704	Well written. What is your opinion on the people that dress up legal girls with lollipops and braces, put teddy bears in the pic beside them and do everything except out right say the girl is a 12 year old. Aren't they feeding the child porn? Although it is technically legal, I see it as a problem. Is it ok to feed the child porn people as long as you do it legally? I'm sorry to say that you cant report that it is just a few, I can show you thumbs from tgps advertised on gfy.

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