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|  06-01-2005, 03:16 AM | #1 | 
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				 |  Tgp2 gallery on a "tgp" conversions since one week back. I talked to a few persons who said tgp2 galleries did not work so I asked em to let me have a spot for a week on their tgps with my tgps 2 galleires and then we could compare ratios.... I dont know if I make good galleries and they make em bad but I creamed their asses lol! My overall ratio 1:120 Their: 1:380 The join clicks was awsome! I will make them convert to the tgp2 clan lol! Peace out! 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:29 AM | #2 | 
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				 | Yep tgp2 worked really well for me but I found after a year of submitting galleries there were fewer places that took tgp2 galleries. I'm still getting sales from my old galleries from over 2 years ago. Think I'm going to start submitting them again now as well.  Smurfette | 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:31 AM | #3 | 
| Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role:  Join Date: Jul 2001 
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				 | It will never work. Surfers will always move on to the next tgp that lists 16 pics instead of 6 or whatever. | 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:35 AM | #5 | 
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				 | tgp2 are great, they convert a LOT better | 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:35 AM | #6 | |
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 You are wrong. You have to think as a surfer. I talked to some friends that are not in this bizz and I can tell you this much..I gave them 2 options....they would stay with my kind of sites after what I told them. 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:35 AM | #7 | |
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|  06-01-2005, 03:38 AM | #8 | |
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|  06-01-2005, 03:52 AM | #9 | |
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|  06-01-2005, 03:56 AM | #10 | |
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|  06-01-2005, 03:57 AM | #11 | |
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|  06-01-2005, 04:03 AM | #12 | 
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				 | Give me your icq or add me and I show you. 
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|  06-01-2005, 04:34 AM | #13 | 
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				 | Argh, can you be quiet about TGP2 please   Please let this thread die  | 
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|  06-01-2005, 04:58 AM | #14 | |
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|  06-01-2005, 05:27 AM | #15 | 
| Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role:  Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA 
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				 | From my own experience as both a surfer and a webmaster, less is more. You people need to learn a thing or two about marketing. You are supposed to be controlling the surfer and making them buy more product, not letting them control you and twist your arm into giving it away for free. Talk about sheep... haha... I am watching webmasters be the sheep and surfers be the shepherds! Quit telling me the sky is falling. The only thing that is falling here is the Cum Sensei and I's ratios! If you want to be a chicken little go right ahead. Fact is you are making us the unique area of the web and uniqueness always gets more interest. | 
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|  06-01-2005, 05:29 AM | #16 | 
| Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA 
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				 | Remember this?  
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|  06-01-2005, 06:01 AM | #17 | |
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|  06-01-2005, 06:03 AM | #18 | 
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				 | How would you do it with a movie gallery? 1 movie clip instead of 3? 
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|  06-01-2005, 06:04 AM | #19 | |
| Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA 
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|  06-01-2005, 06:17 AM | #20 | |
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 1 small clip no longer then about 10-15 seconds and most important...NOT EXPOSING ANYTHING OF THE GOOD STUFF! The idea is to get the surfer to go to the paysite to get that goodie! I get pissed everytime I see movie galleries with 3-10 movies all exposing the money shot and everything. Why would the surfer go to the paysite then? No give them a small bite..then they have to go to the restaurant to get the big meal. And ofcourse lots of ads around the movie clip thumb...the idea with tgp2 is to get LOTS of ad exposure... In one of mine galleries I get 2 on the index page then 2 on each picture html page EXCLUDED the big picture who also lead to the sponsor. Is that not better then just 2-3 links on a index page giving away 15-20 pictures? 
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|  06-01-2005, 07:56 AM | #22 | 
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				 | Ok added you man. 
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|  06-01-2005, 08:10 AM | #23 | |
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 Now the trick is getting anyone to list you. I mean paid listings might be an option if they would take it. 
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|  06-01-2005, 08:15 AM | #24 | 
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				 | No you wont need to pay or anything to get listed. You list your own galleries in you own network...just making galleires will not make you enough money..you need to have the whole packadge! Own sites, list your own galleries, trade with others, submit to other sites. Then you will be on your way. 
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|  06-01-2005, 08:19 AM | #25 | 
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				 | I never submit galleries, but when I build them for my own sites.. I always use the less content rule.. That and I link the images to HTML. Seems to work fine on my sites, you just have to make sure and pick the best possible pictures for the gallery since there is less. 
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|  06-01-2005, 09:25 AM | #26 | 
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				 | is there a current list of tgp2's who take submissions? | 
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|  06-01-2005, 01:13 PM | #27 | 
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				 | Not that I know of...but thats not what im trying to do..I am trying to get more SITES into this....you build a site you manage it and host your own made galleries.  This is NOT for the people who just want the traffic but dont want to work for it. 
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|  06-01-2005, 01:24 PM | #28 | |
| The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role:  Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT 
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 5 good pics on a gallery or 16 pics which 11 are crap. Hmmmmmmmmm. | |
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|  06-01-2005, 01:37 PM | #29 | |
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 A gallery is nothing more then a advertisment for something...why give them the whole product for free? No fucking way...for me it ends here.. I am going my own path to offer the surfers less and get more to the sponsors...if someone want to follow me fine..if they dont there is nothing I can do about it. (Btw about all you contacting me on icq...I get right to you when I have time. Sorry if it´s taking long but my icq is a fucking xmas tree right now LOL!.) 
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|  06-01-2005, 01:43 PM | #30 | 
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				 | tgp2 may convert better (i haven't done it in a time). the reason it flopped was not the conversions.. it was the lack of tgp2 traffic. tgp2 owners felt that they couldn't get enough traffic as compared to the traffic that tgp1 owners got.. take this example, if you get 10,000 hits a day to a tgp2 gallery which gets you 1 sale vs.. 50,000 a day to a tgp1 gallery which gets you 2 sales just because you are getting more traffic. which would you do? i'd take the 2 sales any day! sure you would like it to convert better but in the end you want more sales and more $$$  with the lack of tgp2 sites, it's even harder to get traffic. as for the surfer mentally.. i'm sure they know that tons of free porn exists.. tgp1,tgp2,mgp,linklist sites.. after a while they are all the same! yes they will always look for more free porn. they will look for better and better. from tgp1 -> tgp2 -> mgp. you can't stop it.. every site owner is fighting for there attention by providing more and more free porn.. it may seem that tgp1 is giving away more free porn than tgp2.. but it really isn't.. it's still giving a surfer a SAMPLE.. what you are hoping for is that the surfer eventually gets bored of the samples.. and want to see more of a certain girl.. more or a certain niche.. some 30 minute videos of a particular model.. something that NO tgp can give for free... 
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|  06-01-2005, 01:51 PM | #31 | |
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 Would you still take the 50K hits? Think quality not quantity. Quote: 
 And NO not all surfers know where to find porn. You think like a webmaster (I hope you are one) and thats nothing like the way the surfer thinks...nothing of a sort! But hey keep your 2 signups on 50K and I keep my signups for me  
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|  06-01-2005, 01:57 PM | #33 | 
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				 | I have based my entire business model on "less is more" and my ratios have consistently been better than TGP submitters.  Not only that, my click through ratios from my page to the sponsor is way above the 5% or whatever TGP submitters pull.   Cumsensei, if you wouldn't mind showing me a tgp2 gallery I would appreciate it. I might have something we can use. ICQ: 281896315 | 
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|  06-01-2005, 02:11 PM | #34 | |
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|  06-01-2005, 02:13 PM | #35 | 
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				 | I know some one who had good luck with a TGP2 gallery on the hun! 
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|  06-01-2005, 02:19 PM | #36 | |
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|  06-01-2005, 02:23 PM | #37 | 
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				 | Yep, I remember. We even had a big TGP2 meeting in Vegas! Too bad we lost that domain. TGP2base.com is the new home of TGP2. 
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|  06-01-2005, 02:25 PM | #38 | |
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  I used to build tgp2 gallerys 2-3 years ago and they always converted pretty good, just like Smurfette I still get sales from those gallerys...... and like Sensei says to make any larger amount of cash these days on tgp2 you need to operate the sites as well as the gallerys. 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:29 PM | #39 | 
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				 | Do any sponsors offer FHG's in this format? 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:36 PM | #40 | |
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 Do it like in the old days...BUILD YOUR OWN GALLERIES! Jesus today people wont work anything... I build over 100 galleries today alone! Sorry if I come down hard now...but I been zippin redbull all day and I am a little wired up now..in the zone if you will ;) 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:37 PM | #41 | |
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|  06-01-2005, 03:40 PM | #42 | |
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|  06-01-2005, 03:43 PM | #43 | |
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 YOu also miss out on links within your system that make SE loves you more. But hey! What do I know.- 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:44 PM | #44 | |
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|  06-01-2005, 03:46 PM | #45 | 
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				 | I think karups has them.  There is a list around.   The problem is that hosted galleries don't bother with pics on html. Just use your old tgp galleries, divide them up into 5 pics and put the pics on html, its easy! 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:47 PM | #46 | |
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   But as someone in the US who doesn't want to have 2257 concerns, FHG's are a great tool to advertise hardcore programs, which is why I'm asking. I think one of the first galleries I ever made was tgp2 style, but then I couldn't find anywhere to submit it to at the time... 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:48 PM | #47 | 
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				 | Didn't I tell you to let this thread die?   | 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:50 PM | #48 | 
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				 | Wan't an easy way to make a tgp2?  Use the rotateher.com links feature your own galleries.  Looking to get started, here are some  good articles: http://www.vnwr.com/dfn/052405/index.html 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:50 PM | #49 | |
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 And all that want to join can! This will be REAL good! 
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|  06-01-2005, 03:51 PM | #50 | 
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				 | Jimmer contact me and I show you where we will work from. We have a forum set up for this...and no its not the old tgp2 forum..we gonna work things a little different at this place. 
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