2257 Compliance? Who offers 3rd party doc and info management software/services?

[J$tyle$]

Lots of companies are doing everything in house and following the advice of their attornies.

What blue print are YOU following?

Is there a step by step procedure you've found?

How are you cross referencing images, docs and urls?

I've seen a few different software based solutions offered. This one is using obvious scare tactics which I'm sure are working to a degree.

http://www.zofex.com/

I know AaronM mentioned he had something in the works to release. Any other companies offering document and information management services/software that you know of?

[AaronM]

[fetishpix]

We went with my2257.com
We have been beta testing and adding data for a while.
The system runs in house on a windows box and ANYONE that can use a keyboard and mouse can enter the data. This is NOT a script running on someone elses server.

YOU control it and have FULL access to data at your location. We also have off site backups going on with it.

Currently, we have 2 girls working full time entering over 3,000 models and close to 2 million images.

I know oldjeff form IWI is also beta testing this software

[StickyGreen]

[newbreed]

I have a local machine version, one that runs on your computer, not a server somewhere. I built it last week and have a couple people beta testing it. It's really aimed at small to medium sized single model sites, and I am thinking of giving it away or selling it very cheaply.

[J$tyle$]

Originally Posted by AaronM

What's that mean. Aaron?

Are saying "na, nana, nanana"?

Originally Posted by fetishpix

We went with my2257.com
We have been beta testing and adding data for a while.
The system runs in house on a windows box and ANYONE that can use a keyboard and mouse can enter the data. This is NOT a script running on someone elses server.

YOU control it and have FULL access to data at your location. We also have off site backups going on with it.

Currently, we have 2 girls working full time entering over 3,000 models and close to 2 million images.

I know oldjeff form IWI is also beta testing this software

That's pretty intense.

I'm working with something a little more simplistic yet it will do the trick.

Thanks for the heads up!

[J$tyle$]

Originally Posted by newbreed

I have a local machine version, one that runs on your computer, not a server somewhere. I built it last week and have a couple people beta testing it. It's really aimed at small to medium sized single model sites, and I am thinking of giving it away or selling it very cheaply.

Good to know. I'd like to hear more?

[Matt_WildCash]

my2257.com looks good i'm waiting for them to tell me how much it costs.

[newbreed]

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Good to know. I'd like to hear more?

Hitting you on ICQ.

[fetishpix]

They are just waiting for some cost to come back to them from Attorneys and hardware manufactures. I know the updated their patent filings on Thursday with about a dozen new technology filings, There original Patent Application was filed in 2002 and published last year.

We understand they have 2 Versions in the works a Producers and a Webmasters. Both will be available as stand alone products or as we have it in an Enterprise Network version with multiple work stations.

We currently have 5 work stations connected to the Database server and 2 full time girls entering data on 2 machines each. It really is nice to plug the scanner into the work station and scan directly into the database. MUCH faster than scanning and importing.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Lots of companies are doing everything in house and following the advice of their attornies.

What blue print are YOU following?

Is there a step by step procedure you've found?

How are you cross referencing images, docs and urls?

I've seen a few different software based solutions offered. This one is using obvious scare tactics which I'm sure are working to a degree.

http://www.zofex.com/

I know AaronM mentioned he had something in the works to release. Any other companies offering document and information management services/software that you know of?

I just added an area for this today at 2257 Documents and will be adding more as I find them.

[newbreed]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I just added an area for this today at 2257 Documents and will be adding more as I find them.

Hey, I am linking to your site from mine. I don't really need a link back, but hit me up on ICQ so I can give u the url so when you see it in your ref. logs you know what it is.

Thanks,
Bill
346-940-591 - ICQ

[J$tyle$]

Originally Posted by newbreed

Hitting you on ICQ.

Thanks, brotha.

Good chatting with you!

I'll call you late morning or early afternoon Pacific time

[J$tyle$]

Originally Posted by fetishpix

They are just waiting for some cost to come back to them from Attorneys and hardware manufactures. I know the updated their patent filings on Thursday with about a dozen new technology filings, There original Patent Application was filed in 2002 and published last year.

We understand they have 2 Versions in the works a Producers and a Webmasters. Both will be available as stand alone products or as we have it in an Enterprise Network version with multiple work stations.

We currently have 5 work stations connected to the Database server and 2 full time girls entering data on 2 machines each. It really is nice to plug the scanner into the work station and scan directly into the database. MUCH faster than scanning and importing.

Again, thanks for the info!

[newbreed]

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Thanks, brotha.

Good chatting with you!

I'll call you late morning or early afternoon Pacific time

Anytime my Man!

[my2257]

Just to touch basis with everyone on the status of my2257.com.
Between the signing of the regulations last week, Patent Application updates, Website design, database modifications to meet the final rules it has been a hectic week for us all.

We filed our latest patent amendments on Thursday (12 of them) and have been working on updating the new content management screens in the software to comply with the rules pertaining to adding points of publishing. These modifications should be in place early Monday. We will have our Beta testers inputting data as soon as possible. Once we are comfortable with the changes we will be releasing more information.

The Holiday weekend really slowed us down, Hardware suppliers, Attorneys and programmers took the long weekend to enjoy their families.

We will be releasing the Producer Enterprise Edition first as this is the version with the most testing. This will be followed by the Webmasters Enterprise Edition. The stand alone versions are probably a month out. We have begun testing the system on Windows XP Professional with MSDE = Microsoft SQL Desktop Edition (http://www.microsoft.com/sql/msde/default.mspx)

We hope to have the website up by mid week. Designers took the Holiday weekend off as well. Never fails ? we get a Holiday in the middle of the storm.

So far over 70 Webmasters and Producers have filled out the request of information form on the front of the my2257.com site. We will begin returning emails and calls this week to all of you. Thank you for your patients and understanding. This project has been in the works since 2002 and we really had to wait for the final release of the regulations to tie up the loose ends.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally Posted by fetishpix

We went with my2257.com

Didn't they have a launch date listed that was in June, after the rules are enforceable? Maybe that was a different script?

A lot of people are looking for a solution that's available now.

[my2257]

we originally had planned to launch with press releases and the website on June 26th, 2005. This was before we knew the new regs would be signed on May 23, 2005. We are rushing to move the rush date up as soon as possible.

We were caught by suprise on the signing date

[J$tyle$]

Originally Posted by my2257

We were caught by suprise on the signing date

Understatement of the year



My case is a little different than most because I'm not a primary producer nor am I a "webmaster" in the traditional sense.

I sell DVD content licenses on behalf several big studios who have provided me with all ID's and releases in various formats. Now I need to continue to database everything on an ongoing basis.

I filled out your form and would love to talk to someone ASAP just to see if/how your system would be better for me than how I'm doing it now.

Of course, as you know - time is of the essance.

[J$tyle$]

Originally Posted by newbreed

Anytime my Man!

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally Posted by my2257

we originally had planned to launch with press releases and the website on June 26th, 2005. This was before we knew the new regs would be signed on May 23, 2005. We are rushing to move the rush date up as soon as possible.

[CGI]

We'll be releasing our software solution later today (screenshots are posted at http://www.manicproductions.com/komply/ ) We built the system from the ground up for both our own in-house needs (as a primary and secondary producer) and with the idea of not just webmasters (secondary producers) - but content providers and brokers as well.

Hit me up on ICQ if you want a feature list before I post it on the site later today.

- CGI

[CGI]

Forgot to mention - don't let the apperance fool you, our solution runs on any old windows machine - or you can run it on your server and link it to a copy running any old in-house windows machine so remote staff have access if needed, but you still are staying legal by keeping the records in your office.

Sorry for the second post, but I figured it was important to mention.

- CGI

[J$tyle$]

CGI,

Just post the feature list here.

[latinasojourn]

IMO the best program will have a "server" scan feature to facilitate very fast compliance.

having 2 girls work full-time to input data is so 1984.

i will describe it again:

we need a script that scans for every jpg (and gif) file on a server and builds a thumbs style database.

then the script scans for every html or htm page on which that jpg (or gif) resides, and builds a "URL database"

the primary content producer then can visually identify his models and put them in seperate "ID folders" with appropriate URLs.

sure wish i was a programmer.

[NaughtyRob]

Originally Posted by latinasojourn

IMO the best program will have a "server" scan feature to facilitate very fast compliance.

having 2 girls work full-time to input data is so 1984.

i will describe it again:

we need a script that scans for every jpg (and gif) file on a server and builds a thumbs style database.

then the script scans for every html or htm page on which that jpg (or gif) resides, and builds a "URL database"

the primary content producer then can visually identify his models and put them in seperate "ID folders" with appropriate URLs.

sure wish i was a programmer.

So 1984?
How else do propose that we get hard copy IDs into the system if not scanning them. We have content going back to the 90's

[TheDoc]

You can use Excell, that is perfectly fine to use. Either way you have to enter the record information into a program.

The regulation states "Word-processing, bookkeeping, and database software commonly in use by business and even for home computers can accomplish the indexing and crossindexing required by the rule."

[TheSaint]

I built my own solution, about 75% done, and loaded aproximately 250 documents on it.

Its a server based PHP script, much better for me than one tied to a windows desktop. The only thing I am not 100% certain of, is, its a little unclear to me whether its absolutely required that the records EXIST at your place of business, or merely that you "make them available at producer's place of business" as the regs say. Most companies have networked computers and since I can't find anything specific in the regs I would assume your hosting company is ok too as long as you have a backup.

Its not a big deal for me either way. I have Lunux servers in the office.

I originally announced that I would gave mine away for free, but I am not sure I'll be doing that now, sorry. Since I sold my main paysite I won't be needing a lot of the features for a few months anyway.

[TheSaint]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

You can use Excell, that is perfectly fine to use. Either way you have to enter the record information into a program.

The regulation states "Word-processing, bookkeeping, and database software commonly in use by business and even for home computers can accomplish the indexing and crossindexing required by the rule."

Using Excel is fine but remember you also have to insert a COPY of every picture or movie too, not sure how Excel does that. You could put a directory link to where its stored.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by TheSaint

Using Excel is fine but remember you also have to insert a COPY of every picture or movie too, not sure how Excel does that. You could put a directory link to where its stored.

The excel file only has to reference to where the documents are located.

"Hard copies, electronic copies, or files consisting of both can be segregated in separate storage containers or hard drives (or even in separate directories or folders on a hard drive) in/on which no other records are held."

75.3 categorization of records also explains what is needed.

[TheSaint]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

The excel file only has to reference to where the documents are located.

"Hard copies, electronic copies, or files consisting of both can be segregated in separate storage containers or hard drives (or even in separate directories or folders on a hard drive) in/on which no other records are held."

75.3 categorization of records also explains what is needed.

Thats what I said. You can put a link to the file containing the movie or mpeg. Its hard to put mpegs in a physical file cabinet.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by TheSaint

Thats what I said. You can put a link to the file containing the movie or mpeg. Its hard to put mpegs in a physical file cabinet.

Do you happen to remember what section states that you must keep the photos/videos on record? The onlything I can find says you can only have the ID records on file and no other records mixed in.

[TheSaint]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Do you happen to remember what section states that you must keep the photos/videos on record? The onlything I can find says you can only have the ID records on file and no other records mixed in.

Its in there somewhere, and often overlooked. I don't remember the section, but if you read the comments they specifically declined to remove that requirement, and made it clear you have to have a FUCKING COPY of every image, movie, etc. in your files, have fun with that one boys!

[just a punk]

Use FHG's (see sig) so you won't be in need to keep the docs

[CGI]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Do you happen to remember what section states that you must keep the photos/videos on record? The onlything I can find says you can only have the ID records on file and no other records mixed in.

75.2(1)(i) - A copy of the depiction, and
75.2(1)(ii) - Where the depiction is published on an Internet computer site or service, a copy of any URL associated with the depiction or, if no URL is associated with the depiction, another uniquely identifying reference associated with the location of the depiction on the Internet.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by TheSaint

Its in there somewhere, and often overlooked. I don't remember the section, but if you read the comments they specifically declined to remove that requirement, and made it clear you have to have a FUCKING COPY of every image, movie, etc. in your files, have fun with that one boys!

All of our content is already burned to a individual CD's

Found it too
"The Department has amended the rule to clarify that there must
be copy of any and every depiction, whether digital, computer-
generated, print in a magazine, or on film. Maintaining copies of each
depiction is critical to making the inspection process meaningful,
whether those copies be in digital, paper, or videotape format.
Reviewing identification records in a vacuum would be meaningless
without being able to cross-reference the depictions, and having the
depictions on hand is necessary to determine whether in fact age-
verification files are being maintained for each performer in a given
depiction."

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by CGI

75.2(1)(i) - A copy of the depiction, and
75.2(1)(ii) - Where the depiction is published on an Internet computer site or service, a copy of any URL associated with the depiction or, if no URL is associated with the depiction, another uniquely identifying reference associated with the location of the depiction on the Internet.

We are talking about the part that you have to keep the photos/videos on hand at the place where records are kept.

[J$tyle$]

I have a headache



Getting it all done - but headache nonetheless

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

I have a headache



Getting it all done - but headache nonetheless

Yeah, no kidding, the list of things to do is endless it seems.

[ricks]

so it is up to the host to ensure that people comply?

[Extreme John]

This shit is a nightmare that just continues to grow at every turn. Even with the programs available or having one custom built the actual task itself of cataloging everything is insane to say the least.

Anyone feel like running over my head with an 18 wheeler?

[J$tyle$]

Originally Posted by Extreme John

This shit is a nightmare that just continues to grow at every turn. Even with the programs available or having one custom built the actual task itself of cataloging everything is insane to say the least.

Anyone feel like running over my head with an 18 wheeler?

Agreed, wholeheartedly, John!

BTW - we should talk

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally Posted by ricks

so it is up to the host to ensure that people comply?

No. It's up to the government. Hosts are excluded from the regulations.


(4) Producer does not include persons whose activities relating to the visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct are limited to the following:

(iv) A provider of web-hosting services who does not, and
reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service; or


I think that's from the final new regulations, not the proposal, but double check with your lawyer.