nikad

it is the given name to a neighbourhood in Ciudadela - way out of the city -.... very dangerous....if you are ever close to Fuerte Apache go there with aluminium undies the least LOL
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(Gk)

Question, what is the going dollar rate there today? Here in Brazil is sucking big time latelly.

bigdog

prices are not bad

nikad

you mean the dollar is high or that it is getting low? here the central bank is operating everyday to keep it at about 1 dollar=3 pesos, but generally is is at 2.94 or so.
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bu((aneer

Its a 3rd world country! Seems to me they shouldnt be charging in dollars!

nikad

For anybody living in the US or Europe, you will find it is very cheap. My husband says that we would need 3 times more money to keep our lifestyle in the US.
for instance, broadband access is 20 us$ monthly, a meal at mcdonalds is 2 us$, a pack of Marlboro is 0.75us$, the rent of a 3 bedroom apartment in on of the best neighbourhoods is 600us monthly.
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nikad

they don't charge in dollars, I post it in dollars because most people know how much a dollar is worth :P Actually it is forbidden by law to display prices in dollars!

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Gunni

what happened to all the black people and the native indians?

(Gk)

It was going down quickly, but I'm hoping economists are correct and it will go up again by the end of this year.

We had the lowest rate since 2002 last week. Right now is at U$1 = R$2.41 (generally around R$2.90)

Just out of curiosity: R$1 = 1.19 Argentina Pesos

Gunni

Is that the neighbourhood that is over the bridge from the La Boca neighbourhood? When I was there someone told me not to go over there because it was quite dangerous

nikad

As in many american countries, the spanish exterminated and exploted natives during their colonization, regarding black people there were never a big number in Argentina, most black people were and are in Brazil and Uruguay.
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nikad

nope, the one you mention in La Boca is another one, a lot smaller and not so dangerous.

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nikad

Basically the dollar goes down when the country exports a lot, I am sure Lula will correct it somehow, since it affects internal commerce. 1 peso= 1,19 real? Does that mean that we are cheap for brazilians?

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Gunni

Alright, I was there about a year and a half ago, and thought it was strange how few black people were there comapared with Uruguay that I had been in previously. Have heard a few different versions of the reason why

BRISK

I don't think Argentina is a 3rd world country. It ranks #34 out of 177 countries on the UN Human Development Index

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nikad

Probably there are more black people since Brazil was a Portugese colony and Portugal is closer to Africa?

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Gunni

Yeah, I agree, I was in Buenos Aires for a month, then went to Brazil for a month, and had to fly out of Buenos Aires, when I came back there I truly appreciated how civilized the city was.
And the people are really great, very polite and hospitable

I also loved Brazil, but it was very different, I couldn't live there, but will deffinately visit a few more times

bu((aneer

Why is there so much violence and corruption in Argentina while at the same time Chile(right next door) is safe and corruption doesnt exist?

bu((aneer

Dude Argentina has children dying of hunger!!

You should really travel a little more. Argentina was just recently compared to Nigeria in standards of living.

(Gk)

Yes, Brazilian exporters are going nuts... but all Lula said to them so far is basically GFY. According to him, exporters should get their stuff together and start to work around the problem and stop being cry babies! lol Which I agree in part, but small exporters are the ones getting screwed by this.

About the currencies, I think for us it doesn't really mean anything. Can't say the same about export/import players.

nikad

Think that Argentina is a relatively small country with a big territory, the population is 35 million ppl, Brazill is a lot bigger in extension and population and the culture is different. Argentina is a rar mix of Europe and America, with its good and bad of course. I have never been to Brazil but I would like to visit sometime. Regarding ppl's income we have rich , middle class and poor people, but the majority of centrall american and south american countries, don't have a middle class, that is why it becomes a bit extreme at times, rich or poor, there is a big gap there.

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bu((aneer

In greater Buenos Aires people dont have running water or electricity!

(Gk)

Who told you that?

nikad

This is true, especially in the north of the country, some provinces are poor, personally I cannot understand how a country with so many natural resources, especially food, can have this problem? It is very sad.

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Gunni

What? I can compare apples and oranges if you want, doesn't make them any more the same.
I have been to 3rd world countries and I can tell you that Argentina is not one of them. Sure they have a lot of poverty, but still less than most countires in S-America. It was quite disturbing to see a lot of people digging through the rubbish at night, I admit, but I still wouldn't call it a 3rd world country.

nikad

Wrong, in greater Buenos Aires people have electricity and running water. In some norhtern provinces they don't though. The precary neighbourhoods, or " villas " don't have electricity or running water, yet they make clanderstine connections, " villas " are an equivalent to " favelas" in Brazil.

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bu((aneer

It's true, after Pinochet Chile has become the most developed country in Latin America.

The police wont accept bribes!

nikad

The problem is when people have to dig in the rubbish and there is nothing to get, that is the difference, not that I think it is right, but in some countries you can really starve.

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(Gk)

Changing subjects a bit, another question..

I'm not a soccer fan but is it true all the drama they make about Pelé and Maradona, do people hate Brazilians there? Not sure if you heard about the soccer game where a player from Argentina called a Brazilian player "Macaquito" which I believe stands for hahahahahaha or monkey.

How did Argentina people react to this?

nikad

Chile had military governments for a longer time, and somehow they purged and scared society to the bones, so they are usually very quiet.

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(Gk)

If you say so, I find it hard to believe.

bu((aneer

Thats what I meant, the "villas", but some of the people have direct tv!

nikad

My 2 cents, there is violence, but you can go out at night anywhere and won't have a problem, at 3 am, 4 am, etc. All countries have diff kinds of violence, maybe in south america it is a bit more rough or explicit in the methods, in other countries, like in the UK or US it is different, but equally worrying - a kid shooting his mates inthe classroom, kids raping kids, etc -

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nikad

It is also a matter of ignorance, go to any " villa " and people won't have running water but they have a huge TV, the most expensive snickers, etc, I guess sometimes it is a questions of choices, not in all cases though.

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bu((aneer

Why do you find it hard to believe? Do you not agree that Chile has a stronger economy?

nikad

LOL soccer is so big, and both Pele and Maradona were so big that we have this huge rivality when it is about sports. Yet argentians love to go to Brazil on a vacation, etc. Maybe we could compare this to brothers issues, they fight like crazy but they love each other

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bu((aneer

listen to nikad, she's a smart girl, she agrees with me!

nikad

Chile's economy is more stable, but only because they let the US government do whatver they want with military bases and such.

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bu((aneer

What about Tevez? Didnt he go to Brazil? What did the Brazilian people think about him?

nikad

I thought Tevez was playing in Europe?

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nikad

In any case, south american economies are never stable so, if you invest do it in the short term, if you need a bank, get a Us bank account, that is the way to go and you won't have problems.

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(Gk)

True, violence is everywhere. In Rio for example you can get robbed at gun point at any time and everywhere, and I mean it.

But on the other hand you don't hear about teenagers killing their families and shooting school mates.

All the times I got robbed in Brazil was basically because of my own stupidness (and in bright daylight). Stuff like walk around with jewelry, etc. Usually I go to nightclubs about three times per week and I don't come home until 5 or 6 am, and I never had any problems at all.

BRISK

I've visited over 30 countries on 4 continents

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bu((aneer

Could be, now I dont know, but when he left Boca, didnt he go to Brazil?

(Gk)

I believe he was playing in a Brazilian team, but I don't know much about soccer heh.

(Gk)

I don't know much about Chile, I just find it hard to believe that there is no violence and cops don't accept bribe

As far as the economy, can't really tell.

bu((aneer

And I visited over 40 countries on 6 continents... whats your point?

nikad

I am not really into soccer, so I cannot confirm, btw that is why you were asking about Fuerte Apache? Tevez lived there
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Gunni

No, when I was there they were actuallu on some list that said they were the 8th least corrupt country in the world, above places like Germany

nikad

Can anybody name countries with no vilolence? Even Sweden has violence, if you think that suicide is self violence! We have to be realistic, I bet there is vilonce in Chile as well, but I dunno how the media work there, I mean here you will see the good, the bad, everything on TV and newspapers, I don't know about Chile, but they have a long history of censorship.

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