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GoLiaT · 05-28-2005, 04:19 PM

if you run a text only tgp
and dont have any pics on your page
will you still need 2257 info for the gallerys you link to ?
soft nude banners , will they need 2257 info ?

what about amateur/voyeur sites like voyeurweb , they can hardly submit any info ?

cyber_ninja · 05-28-2005, 04:20 PM

sell it

StickyGreen · 05-28-2005, 04:23 PM

the law refers to "sexually explicit images" so if you dont even have images on your site obviously you dont fall under the law...

fireorange · 05-28-2005, 04:24 PM

Nah, not with text links.

Mr.Fiction · 05-28-2005, 04:29 PM

Everyone knows that all members of GFY are also legal experts, so I will answer all of these questions for you:

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Originally Posted by GoLiaT

if you run a text only tgp
and dont have any pics on your page
will you still need 2257 info for the gallerys you link to ?

No, as long as you don't host images or video on your server or hotlink them into your HTML pages, you do not need 2257 information.

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Originally Posted by GoLiaT

soft nude banners , will they need 2257 info ?

The government uses several terms like "sexually explicit" which are not easily defined and some of their own definitions aren't clear. If the content is very soft, like artistic nudity, they would have a hard time convicting you, but there is always risk.

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Originally Posted by GoLiaT

what about amateur/voyeur sites like voyeurweb , they can hardly submit any info ?

Voyeurweb is located outside of the United States, so they probably don't care. If you ran a site like Voyeurweb in the United States, you would definitely want to talk to a lawyer you trust.

There may be exceptions in the law for sites like Google, which could cover sites like Voyeurweb and Friend Finder, but it would not be certain.

You will have to decide what level of risk you wanted to assume based on a conversation with your lawyer.

abyss_al · 05-28-2005, 04:32 PM

GET A LAWYER!!!!!!!!!!!! DO NOT RELY ON WHAT YOU GET HERE BECAUSE THAT WON'T STAND IN COURT!

Mr.Fiction · 05-28-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

GET A LAWYER!!!!!!!!!!!! DO NOT RELY ON WHAT YOU GET HERE BECAUSE THAT WON'T STAND IN COURT!

All GFY members are lawyers - anything posted on GFY is considered to be fact in all U.S. Supreme Court cases.

Terry · 05-28-2005, 04:34 PM

Hmm maybe I should move all my tgp's to a Canadian host.

tony286 · 05-28-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

All GFY members are lawyers - anything posted on GFY is considered to be fact in all U.S. Supreme Court cases.

sorry I just got out of court what did I miss lol

Judas_Hansen · 05-28-2005, 04:36 PM

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-28-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry

Hmm maybe I should move all my tgp's to a Canadian host.

Won't work. Canada is a State.

Look-up North America on a map.

We won it in a poker game.

ADG Webmaster, Esq.
Law Offices of Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe

DWB · 05-28-2005, 07:58 PM

From what I understand it only applies to images. If you don't host any images, you should be in the clear... but check with your attorney just to be safe.

s9ann0 · 05-29-2005, 06:02 PM

I think 2257 is the end of TGPs

hy777 · 05-29-2005, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Everyone knows that all members of GFY are also legal experts, so I will answer all of these questions for you:

No, as long as you don't host images or video on your server or hotlink them into your HTML pages, you do not need 2257 information.

The government uses several terms like "sexually explicit" which are not easily defined and some of their own definitions aren't clear. If the content is very soft, like artistic nudity, they would have a hard time convicting you, but there is always risk.

Voyeurweb is located outside of the United States, so they probably don't care. If you ran a site like Voyeurweb in the United States, you would definitely want to talk to a lawyer you trust.

There may be exceptions in the law for sites like Google, which could cover sites like Voyeurweb and Friend Finder, but it would not be certain.

You will have to decide what level of risk you wanted to assume based on a conversation with your lawyer.

Answers like this are the ones that show you why you need a lawyer.

The definition of what is considered 'sexually explicit conduct' is very clear from 2256. The part of it being used for 2257 purposes is even clearer in that item e) was left out, the only one that might have lead to different interpretations (e > is based on the meaning of the word 'lascivious'). It was also left out the 'simulated' part of 2256 to further avoid gray areas.

Paraskass · 05-29-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas_Hansen

jojojo · 05-29-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

GET A LAWYER!!!!!!!!!!!! DO NOT RELY ON WHAT YOU GET HERE BECAUSE THAT WON'T STAND IN COURT!

just print out the thread and you are golden ;)

Babagirls · 05-29-2005, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jojojo

just print out the thread and you are golden ;)

DWB · 05-29-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jojojo

just print out the thread and you are golden ;)

I agree. The judge will respect and applaud your efforts.

sonofsam · 05-29-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

All GFY members are lawyers - anything posted on GFY is considered to be fact in all U.S. Supreme Court cases.

obviously, how else do you think we all pay for our lambos and houses on the water?

stev0 · 05-29-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by spanno

I think 2257 is the end of TGPs

haha, None of the biggest TGP's are US based... No way that 2257 is the end for them.

s9ann0 · 05-30-2005, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by stev0

haha, None of the biggest TGP's are US based... No way that 2257 is the end for them.

oh yea I don't think so man look what happenned in Iraq when hussein didn't comply!

Webby · 05-30-2005, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

All GFY members are lawyers - anything posted on GFY is considered to be fact in all U.S. Supreme Court cases.

Quit messing Mr.Fiction - ya know that ain't true! :-)

BUT... I got a PHD in law and my professional interpretation of 2257 is... ALL of it is sheer shit instigated by a *very* poor legislature manipulated by a few raving lunatics with an agenda. Only a deaf and dumb brain dead asylum patient could create this quality of legislation.

Do they still pay senators and whatever else in Washington to work there?? May need some reconsidering for the health of US taxpayers!

05-28-2005, 04:19 PM	#1
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05-28-2005, 04:23 PM	#3
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05-28-2005, 04:34 PM	#8
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05-28-2005, 04:36 PM	#10
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05-28-2005, 04:20 PM	#2
cyber_ninja Twerk That Ass Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lincoln, California Posts: 2,197	sell it

05-28-2005, 04:24 PM	#4
fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	Nah, not with text links.

05-28-2005, 07:58 PM	#12
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	From what I understand it only applies to images. If you don't host any images, you should be in the clear... but check with your attorney just to be safe.

05-29-2005, 06:02 PM	#13
s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	I think 2257 is the end of TGPs