Intel adds DRM to Pentium chips - GoFuckYourself.com

fireorange · 05-28-2005, 03:34 PM

http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915

DRM = Good
I want a world where all the content and media is DRM protected.

fireorange · 05-28-2005, 03:36 PM

AMD will be adding it too soon as they are part of the TCPA (Trusted Computing Platform Alliance)

fireorange · 05-28-2005, 03:43 PM

*Waits for the clueless fucks to come here and tell me hardware DRM is crackable like glass*

Look the computer nerds are going ape shit because they know hardware DRM means no more torrents or p2p:

http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardwar...id=155&tid=137

stereolab · 05-28-2005, 03:47 PM

smart move. all content will be distributed digitally to PCs and mobile devices probably sooner rather than later.

iwantchixx · 05-28-2005, 04:02 PM

People seem to be forgetting something about this DRM in the chips...

As new OS' come out it will be fully integrated. no more unpaid for mp3s and movies is a sure thing.

Ok, so big deal, means people will actually have to PAY for their music and movies now.

I do have a huge problem with it though. It's leading to something more sinister than just protecting media.

You may say that it's just drm to protect the industries from thieves but it's sooo much more than that.

This is the first step towards palladium. Right now it's no big deal, but wait until they go full palladium.

Goodbye being able to run unsigned code fellas. Hello to paying out the ass on a monthly basis just to be able to use applications to read and create your own intellectual property. You will be forced to upgrade each time software vendors upgrade. You will be forced to purchase newer versions when your software becomes obsolete because access to those files you created with it will be unreadable and locked out. Mom&Pop software developers will be put out of business completely. No more free software either. Every piece of code would have to be inspected and signed by Microsoft at a hefty price. Defeating palladium would be illegal in many areas. They're already working on this.. they have full government support. SO if you managed to get lets say 'Linux' to run on a palladium machine you would be breaking the law unless it was digitally signed by Microsoft, which will never happen. If you managed to code something to record your own self singing in a mic and was able to get past palladium so it could run, you would be breaking the law. Your internet connection goes down. You can't boot your system!

Read up on palladium folks... DRM is the first step to it.

mark my words.

fireorange · 05-28-2005, 04:06 PM

More scare tactics like iwantchixx's post:
http://www.againsttcpa.com/what-is-tcpa.html

fireorange · 05-28-2005, 04:08 PM

Trying to defeat Palladium or any hardware DRM will get you fucked because of the DMCA.

fireorange · 05-28-2005, 04:10 PM

The companies:
The TCPA was founded 1999 by Compaq, HP, IBM, Intel and Microsoft. But in the meantime around 200 companies joined them. You will find Adobe, AMD, Fujitsu-Siemens, Gateway, Motorola, Samsung, Toshiba and many other well known companies. IBM already sells first desktops and notebooks with integrated TPM.

No escaping it.

SomeCreep · 05-28-2005, 04:42 PM

I wouldnt buy a computer with a chip like that.

fireorange · 05-28-2005, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

I wouldnt buy a computer with a chip like that.

You'll have no choice.
So you'd run like a Pentium 3Ghz and never upgrade to the newer CPUs because all of them will have it and everyone will be running on Pentium 9Ghz.

It'll be built into your GPU, hard-drive, RAM, everything. By 2010, it'll be in all electronic equipment.

crockett · 05-28-2005, 04:45 PM

Well it could also mean no more password traders for paysites, which could be a good thing..

riddler · 05-28-2005, 04:50 PM

If the two big companies AMD and Intel start this there will always be some korea, japanese, chinese company to make a new chip with no protection, Its all bullshit scaretactic shit, I've seen this TCPA shit for as long as ive been surfing the internet bunch of bullshit

WarChild · 05-28-2005, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireorange

*Waits for the clueless fucks to come here and tell me hardware DRM is crackable like glass*

Look the computer nerds are going ape shit because they know hardware DRM means no more torrents or p2p:

http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardwar...id=155&tid=137

So DRM is going to stop me from ripping a DVD to an MPEG file and sharing it on a p2p network? As long as I don't encode it DRM, what the fuck is stopping me?

stereolab · 05-28-2005, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrC

If the two big companies AMD and Intel start this there will always be some korea, japanese, chinese company to make a new chip with no protection, Its all bullshit scaretactic shit, I've seen this TCPA shit for as long as ive been surfing the internet bunch of bullshit

other than maybe VIA, who else out there can produce quality CPUs?

stev0 · 05-28-2005, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild

So DRM is going to stop me from ripping a DVD to an MPEG file and sharing it on a p2p network? As long as I don't encode it DRM, what the fuck is stopping me?

That's what i was thinking...

riddler · 05-28-2005, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stereolab

other than maybe VIA, who else out there can produce quality CPUs?

There might be few in the CPU Market because the market share is owned by amd and intel but if intel and amd go with this bullshit and new company might to produce these chips with out drm because they know they would have a good market share for the demand..

stereolab · 05-28-2005, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrC

There might be few in the CPU Market because the market share is owned by amd and intel but if intel and amd go with this bullshit and new company might to produce these chips with out drm because they know they would have a good market share for the demand..

it's not easy to start a company making chips. added to that, you need the support of your channels. HP or Dell isn't going to just start bundling an upstart's chips. shit look at Transmeta these days. are they even still in business?

Terry · 05-28-2005, 05:11 PM

What about ripping redlight dvd's... any problems there?

who · 05-28-2005, 05:16 PM

I bet the Apple world is eating this up with a huge smile. Surely this will push a lot of new customers Apple's way?

SomeCreep · 05-28-2005, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireorange

You'll have no choice.
So you'd run like a Pentium 3Ghz and never upgrade to the newer CPUs because all of them will have it and everyone will be running on Pentium 9Ghz.

It'll be built into your GPU, hard-drive, RAM, everything. By 2010, it'll be in all electronic equipment.

Perhaps. I believe consumers will always have a choice though, unless you expect all vendors to abandon a multi-million dollar market selling hardware which does not incorporate DRM type technology into it's hardware.

Just_Dave · 05-28-2005, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireorange

http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915

DRM = Good
I want a world where all the content and media is DRM protected.

check out my site http://www.smutlounge.com we drm content sorry for spamming in your thread

bigdog · 05-28-2005, 05:33 PM

about time better then nothing

wedouglas · 05-28-2005, 05:46 PM

there will always be a way around it. there will be too many poeple out there working on cracking it. nothing will ever be unbreakable

stereolab · 05-28-2005, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .?.

I bet the Apple world is eating this up with a huge smile. Surely this will push a lot of new customers Apple's way?

i'm suprised they didn't do this first considering how important DRM is to their hardware sales (itunes/ipod).

Project-Shadow · 05-28-2005, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedouglas

there will always be a way around it. there will be too many poeple out there working on cracking it. nothing will ever be unbreakable

The problem with hardware DRM, is that I believe most would have some sort of trigger. If something doesn't boot up/is bypassed your pc wont boot. So you'd need a hardware based solution to by-pass the DRM. And even if you do get passed that, if you needed to login to your ISP via DRM, and your PC reports something is up. No more internet... OH SHITS WE'RE ALL DOOM-EDED.

Matt 26z · 05-28-2005, 06:07 PM

To say a technology can be implemented that another technology can't break is pretty foolish.

DRM as it is right now is easily gotten around as long as you've got an initial license. How do you think DRM protected content makes it's way onto P2P in a non-DRM form? There are screen capture programs that capture DRM video frame by frame and then rebuild it.

Point is, experts thought nobody would get around the initial DRM and they did.

kernelpanic · 05-28-2005, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stereolab

i'm suprised they didn't do this first considering how important DRM is to their hardware sales (itunes/ipod).

Apple makes the most money from the lack of DRM.

Honestly, if DRM were 95% effective and prevalent, then who would ever need more than a 20GB iPod?

We're up to 80GB now.............

Brian911 · 05-28-2005, 06:20 PM

once this is released, I will buy the fastest CPU without that DRM crap and one for backup if the first catches fire and keep it for like 10 years... there is no way I will ever support that crap.

kernelpanic: right on spot. suddenly people will realize that they dont need that 250gb HD they bought...

fireorange · 05-29-2005, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian911

once this is released, I will buy the fastest CPU without that DRM crap and one for backup if the first catches fire and keep it for like 10 years... there is no way I will ever support that crap.

kernelpanic: right on spot. suddenly people will realize that they dont need that 250gb HD they bought...

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." and "No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer." - Bill Gates

fireorange · 05-29-2005, 05:12 AM

There might be a crack with an early version of Palladium BUT it WILL be hardware and WILL be extremely difficult to distribute and sell because every single tech company will be after you with the DMCA.

The average surfer using BitTorrent/KaZaA will not be going through all that effort to open his PC up to crack EVERY SINGLE chip: CPU, graphiccard, harddisk, soundcard, bios.

And by 2010, it'll be in your TV, car radio, etc.

Turf · 05-29-2005, 05:39 AM

i sell cheap tinfoil hats!

notjoe · 05-29-2005, 06:10 AM

RISC based processes are much better and i think it would be their time to shine.

05-28-2005, 03:34 PM	#1
fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	Intel adds DRM to Pentium chips http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915 DRM = Good I want a world where all the content and media is DRM protected.

05-28-2005, 03:43 PM	#3
fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	Waits for the clueless fucks to come here and tell me hardware DRM is crackable like glass Look the computer nerds are going ape shit because they know hardware DRM means no more torrents or p2p: http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardwar...id=155&tid=137 Last edited by fireorange; 05-28-2005 at 03:44 PM..

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stereolab Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 798	smart move. all content will be distributed digitally to PCs and mobile devices probably sooner rather than later. __________________

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05-28-2005, 03:36 PM	#2
fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	AMD will be adding it too soon as they are part of the TCPA (Trusted Computing Platform Alliance)

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iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	People seem to be forgetting something about this DRM in the chips... As new OS' come out it will be fully integrated. no more unpaid for mp3s and movies is a sure thing. Ok, so big deal, means people will actually have to PAY for their music and movies now. I do have a huge problem with it though. It's leading to something more sinister than just protecting media. You may say that it's just drm to protect the industries from thieves but it's sooo much more than that. This is the first step towards palladium. Right now it's no big deal, but wait until they go full palladium. Goodbye being able to run unsigned code fellas. Hello to paying out the ass on a monthly basis just to be able to use applications to read and create your own intellectual property. You will be forced to upgrade each time software vendors upgrade. You will be forced to purchase newer versions when your software becomes obsolete because access to those files you created with it will be unreadable and locked out. Mom&Pop software developers will be put out of business completely. No more free software either. Every piece of code would have to be inspected and signed by Microsoft at a hefty price. Defeating palladium would be illegal in many areas. They're already working on this.. they have full government support. SO if you managed to get lets say 'Linux' to run on a palladium machine you would be breaking the law unless it was digitally signed by Microsoft, which will never happen. If you managed to code something to record your own self singing in a mic and was able to get past palladium so it could run, you would be breaking the law. Your internet connection goes down. You can't boot your system! Read up on palladium folks... DRM is the first step to it. mark my words.

05-28-2005, 04:06 PM	#6
fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	More scare tactics like iwantchixx's post: http://www.againsttcpa.com/what-is-tcpa.html

05-28-2005, 04:08 PM	#7
fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	Trying to defeat Palladium or any hardware DRM will get you fucked because of the DMCA.

05-28-2005, 04:10 PM	#8
fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	The companies: The TCPA was founded 1999 by Compaq, HP, IBM, Intel and Microsoft. But in the meantime around 200 companies joined them. You will find Adobe, AMD, Fujitsu-Siemens, Gateway, Motorola, Samsung, Toshiba and many other well known companies. IBM already sells first desktops and notebooks with integrated TPM. No escaping it.

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riddler Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: up in gang bang heaven Posts: 3,726	If the two big companies AMD and Intel start this there will always be some korea, japanese, chinese company to make a new chip with no protection, Its all bullshit scaretactic shit, I've seen this TCPA shit for as long as ive been surfing the internet bunch of bullshit

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who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	I bet the Apple world is eating this up with a huge smile. Surely this will push a lot of new customers Apple's way?

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bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	about time better then nothing

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wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	there will always be a way around it. there will be too many poeple out there working on cracking it. nothing will ever be unbreakable

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Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	To say a technology can be implemented that another technology can't break is pretty foolish. DRM as it is right now is easily gotten around as long as you've got an initial license. How do you think DRM protected content makes it's way onto P2P in a non-DRM form? There are screen capture programs that capture DRM video frame by frame and then rebuild it. Point is, experts thought nobody would get around the initial DRM and they did.

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Brian911 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 654	once this is released, I will buy the fastest CPU without that DRM crap and one for backup if the first catches fire and keep it for like 10 years... there is no way I will ever support that crap. kernelpanic: right on spot. suddenly people will realize that they dont need that 250gb HD they bought... __________________ - Brian [ a directive occured while processing this error ]

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fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	There might be a crack with an early version of Palladium BUT it WILL be hardware and WILL be extremely difficult to distribute and sell because every single tech company will be after you with the DMCA. The average surfer using BitTorrent/KaZaA will not be going through all that effort to open his PC up to crack EVERY SINGLE chip: CPU, graphiccard, harddisk, soundcard, bios. And by 2010, it'll be in your TV, car radio, etc. Last edited by fireorange; 05-29-2005 at 05:14 AM..

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