Why is the US so behind here? An open question to all Hosts and IT gfy'ers - GoFuckYourself.com

$pikes · 05-28-2005, 02:18 AM

I read this in xbiz tonight and I just want to understand why we are again being left in the dust here:

Despite Benefits, U.S. Not Hot on Next-Gen Internet

RESTON, Va. ? While countries in Europe and Asia have begun transitioning to IPv6 ? the faster, more secure next-generation Internet ? Internet service providers apparently don?t see much value in making the switch.

A study by Juniper networks of 350 IT managers from the private and public sectors revealed that technology professionals are reluctant to upgrade for a variety of reasons, including manpower challenges and budget issues.

But the number one reason cited ? that there?s no compelling reason to change to IPv6 ? shows that many IT pros simply don?t understand IPv6.

IPv6 features better connectivity, tighter security, easier network management and nearly ten times as many available addresses.

Among the potential benefits for adult webmasters is faster downloads with sharper image quality.

At an IPv6 summit being held this week, an executive from Visual Link Internet showed attendees a side-by-side comparison of streaming video on IPv4, the present-day Internet, and IPv6. While the IPv4 image was fuzzy, the IPv6 video closely approximated a television-quality picture.

Any switch to IPv6 would not be immediate but instead would involve a phasing-in period of up to 20 years, during which it would run parallel with the current Internet to work out kinks.

But Alex Lightman, chairman of the IPv6 summit, said lack of demand on the part of webmasters and IT managers makes it unlikely that service providers will feel obliged to adopt IPv6 any time soon, especially because doing so would involve costly equipment upgrades.

But Lightman added that each year the United States hesitates, it loses ground to other countries. Internet services in Japan, Korea and Hong Kong currently have speeds up to 10 tens faster than those typical in the United States.

fireorange · 05-28-2005, 02:23 AM

hahaha US far behind?

Who the fuck developed IPv6?

bhutocracy · 05-28-2005, 02:23 AM

Infrastructure costs in the US would be billions more than in a tiny country like Japan.
Lose the imperial measuring system first then worry about IPv6

J$tyle$ · 05-28-2005, 02:25 AM

Looks like we're falling behind on a lot these days.

Cell phones, this, Amsterdam's Red Light District.

Fizzgig · 05-28-2005, 02:25 AM

Ten times faster internet seems like a compelling reason to me.

J$tyle$ · 05-28-2005, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireorange

hahaha US far behind?

Who the fuck developed IPv6?

We developed it and can't use it?

Great!

Bad ass!

$pikes · 05-28-2005, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

We developed it and can't use it?

Great!

Bad ass!

Yeah man... we developed but are not adopting it's use.. sad huh? I heard about it last year and was stoked for the potential speed and what it would mean for adult in general.

Thanks for posting everyone. I was trying to understand why we were not going to use the tech anytime soon.

mortenb · 05-28-2005, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireorange

hahaha US far behind?

Who the fuck developed IPv6?

The IETF designed IPv6. The IETF is an international organization and a lot of the actual work in developing IPv6 has been done in universities all over the world. Not just in America.

fireorange · 05-28-2005, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mortenb

The IETF designed IPv6. The IETF is an international organization and a lot of the actual work in developing IPv6 has been done in universities all over the world. Not just in America.

How many of those engineers are US citizens?

And remind me again how many CCIE certifications are given to North American engineers?

Cisco = USA
Juniper = USA
Nortel = USA
3Com = USA
Bay Networks = USA
Lucent = USA

You = Owned

fireorange · 05-28-2005, 05:50 AM

If you don't know why countries like South Korea have 100Mbit fiber-to-the-home and countries like the US don't, then you're not worth my effort.

J$tyle$ · 05-28-2005, 12:54 PM

bump for an interesting topic!

more threads like this and less bullshit, please

$pikes · 05-28-2005, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireorange

If you don't know why countries like South Korea have 100Mbit fiber-to-the-home and countries like the US don't, then you're not worth my effort.

Fireorange... You obviously know your stuff here.. Most of us don't when it comes to this indepth tech stuff.. Which is why I posted this because I was curious and knew someone like you would have the insight and answers.

Thanks man!

riddler · 05-28-2005, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireorange

If you don't know why countries like South Korea have 100Mbit fiber-to-the-home and countries like the US don't, then you're not worth my effort.

please tell us why wise one.

fireorange · 05-28-2005, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrC

please tell us why wise one.

Google is your friend:

http://news.com.com/South+Korea+lead...3-5261393.html

One obstacle to reproducing South Korea's broadband explosion in the United States is purely physical.

The city of Seoul is home to 10 million people--almost one quarter of the country's entire population. Many urban Koreans live in high-rise apartment blocks, unlike city-dwelling Americans, who often occupy smaller buildings and houses.

"It is pretty different in a lot of ways," said David Young, director of technology policy at Verizon Communications. "Their demographics and housing density certainly made it easier to achieve the rapid penetration and high speeds that are available there. That cannot be easily emulated."

In Korea, large apartment buildings make it relatively simple for a telecommunications company to draw a fiber line to the basement and then provide VDSL (very high speed digital subscriber line). VDSL can offer as much as 50 to 100 megabits of service over short copper lines, so it is well-suited to these buildings.

But the technology doesn't work so well in the United States, where the distance between homes and the telephone company's central offices are often large. As a result, the big phone companies say they are avoiding VDSL for the most part and looking instead to install fiber optics as a next-generation technology.

"We've continued to work with the standards organizations," SBC Labs Executive Director Eugene Edmon said. "But we've got a good focus on the fiber. That helps us expand and helps keep the vendor community-focused."

FunForOne · 05-28-2005, 04:00 PM

Its the difference in marginal upgrade cost and replacement cost.

$pikes · 05-28-2005, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireorange

Google is your friend:

http://news.com.com/South+Korea+lead...3-5261393.html

One obstacle to reproducing South Korea's broadband explosion in the United States is purely physical.

The city of Seoul is home to 10 million people--almost one quarter of the country's entire population. Many urban Koreans live in high-rise apartment blocks, unlike city-dwelling Americans, who often occupy smaller buildings and houses.

"It is pretty different in a lot of ways," said David Young, director of technology policy at Verizon Communications. "Their demographics and housing density certainly made it easier to achieve the rapid penetration and high speeds that are available there. That cannot be easily emulated."

In Korea, large apartment buildings make it relatively simple for a telecommunications company to draw a fiber line to the basement and then provide VDSL (very high speed digital subscriber line). VDSL can offer as much as 50 to 100 megabits of service over short copper lines, so it is well-suited to these buildings.

But the technology doesn't work so well in the United States, where the distance between homes and the telephone company's central offices are often large. As a result, the big phone companies say they are avoiding VDSL for the most part and looking instead to install fiber optics as a next-generation technology.

"We've continued to work with the standards organizations," SBC Labs Executive Director Eugene Edmon said. "But we've got a good focus on the fiber. That helps us expand and helps keep the vendor community-focused."

Thanks Fireorange! You rock!

Judas_Hansen · 05-28-2005, 06:08 PM

its the companys that can change it.
IPv6 is backwards compatible, so do like me.. When I get a new customer I make them convert the LAN to ipv6 (iff all the hardware is OK)
When enought companys and customers run IPv6, the ISP will convert as well

Ycaza · 05-28-2005, 08:12 PM

it sucks but the tier 1's are takin their sweet ass time to implement. we are ready but the upstreams are not totally prepared

05-28-2005, 02:18 AM	#1
$pikes Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,055	Why is the US so behind here? An open question to all Hosts and IT gfy'ers I read this in xbiz tonight and I just want to understand why we are again being left in the dust here: Despite Benefits, U.S. Not Hot on Next-Gen Internet RESTON, Va. ? While countries in Europe and Asia have begun transitioning to IPv6 ? the faster, more secure next-generation Internet ? Internet service providers apparently don?t see much value in making the switch. A study by Juniper networks of 350 IT managers from the private and public sectors revealed that technology professionals are reluctant to upgrade for a variety of reasons, including manpower challenges and budget issues. But the number one reason cited ? that there?s no compelling reason to change to IPv6 ? shows that many IT pros simply don?t understand IPv6. IPv6 features better connectivity, tighter security, easier network management and nearly ten times as many available addresses. Among the potential benefits for adult webmasters is faster downloads with sharper image quality. At an IPv6 summit being held this week, an executive from Visual Link Internet showed attendees a side-by-side comparison of streaming video on IPv4, the present-day Internet, and IPv6. While the IPv4 image was fuzzy, the IPv6 video closely approximated a television-quality picture. Any switch to IPv6 would not be immediate but instead would involve a phasing-in period of up to 20 years, during which it would run parallel with the current Internet to work out kinks. But Alex Lightman, chairman of the IPv6 summit, said lack of demand on the part of webmasters and IT managers makes it unlikely that service providers will feel obliged to adopt IPv6 any time soon, especially because doing so would involve costly equipment upgrades. But Lightman added that each year the United States hesitates, it loses ground to other countries. Internet services in Japan, Korea and Hong Kong currently have speeds up to 10 tens faster than those typical in the United States. __________________ SMASHBUCKS Paying webmasters on time since 2001 Joe Spikes - ICQ: 160069266

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05-28-2005, 08:12 PM	#18
Ycaza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the 805 Posts: 4,290	it sucks but the tier 1's are takin their sweet ass time to implement. we are ready but the upstreams are not totally prepared __________________ Caz Thrush Head Honcho [email protected] http://thrushtech.com ICQ: 304883574 do people still icq?

05-28-2005, 02:23 AM	#2
fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	hahaha US far behind? Who the fuck developed IPv6?

05-28-2005, 02:23 AM	#3
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	Infrastructure costs in the US would be billions more than in a tiny country like Japan. Lose the imperial measuring system first then worry about IPv6

05-28-2005, 02:25 AM	#4
J$tyle$ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 11,500	Looks like we're falling behind on a lot these days. Cell phones, this, Amsterdam's Red Light District.

05-28-2005, 05:50 AM	#10
fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	If you don't know why countries like South Korea have 100Mbit fiber-to-the-home and countries like the US don't, then you're not worth my effort.

05-28-2005, 12:54 PM	#11
J$tyle$ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 11,500	bump for an interesting topic! more threads like this and less bullshit, please

05-28-2005, 04:00 PM	#15
FunForOne Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 8,704	Its the difference in marginal upgrade cost and replacement cost.