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tony286 · 05-27-2005, 08:28 PM

150 in the house

TheGoldenChild · 05-27-2005, 08:29 PM

149 if you deduct this person who won't be called upon for his mainstream media contact base.

:-))

Now I am just being fecetious people...relax

Mr.Fiction · 05-27-2005, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor

So am I SERIOUSLY seeing a debate on GFY as to whether or not people who work in this business should support the Free Speech Coalition? You've GOT to be kididng me!!!

Some people seem to think the FSC formed yesterday to scam them out of $50.

TheGoldenChild · 05-27-2005, 08:46 PM

I am reading the calendar for the IMPA now to find out when the next meeting is...

http://www.impai.org/calendar.html

I don't know much about web design or code- But I DO KNOW this site is fucked up

xxxjay · 05-27-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

149 if you deduct this person who won't be called upon for his mainstream media contact base.

:-))

Now I am just being fecetious people...relax

Hey, I've always said our case should be taken to the mainstream. If you hook me up - I will take our case to them.

TheGoldenChild · 05-27-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Hey, I've always said our case should be taken to the mainstream. If you hook me up - I will take our case to them.

Deal.
And while you are up turn on 20/20 and watch the piece I got for Rick

It was done a while back and my friend Gail Rosenberg produced it

He comes off slimy-
But I also encouraged him a bit
:-))

xxxjay · 05-27-2005, 10:08 PM

When does it air?

TheGoldenChild · 05-27-2005, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

When does it air?

next piece - turn on channel 7 in LA I believe

BTW he has been sober since this appearance-
He was coming off quite a bender that morning..

I am proud to call Rick a friend and glad he is doing so well.

xxxjay · 05-27-2005, 10:40 PM

still looking

TheGoldenChild · 05-27-2005, 10:42 PM

on in two mins

TheGoldenChild · 05-27-2005, 10:59 PM

cha ching!

That's the sound of DVD's flying off the shelves and joins being rung up.

You cannot get better exposure than that-
You can like him or hate him- he is making bank.

I really like working with Chris Connelly
In case you missed the first piece they aired where most of this content came from -
here it is...

http://www.marketingfirm.com/kbmedia.wmv

xxxjay · 05-27-2005, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

cha ching!

That's the sound of DVD's flying off the shelves and joins being rung up.

You cannot get better exposure than that-
You can like him or hate him- he is making bank.

I really like working with Chris Connelly
In case you missed the first piece they aired where most of this content came from -
here it is...

http://www.marketingfirm.com/kbmedia.wmv

That was the most "obviously on drugs" interview I think I've ever seen.

TheGoldenChild · 05-27-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

That was the most "obviously on drugs" interview I think I've ever seen.

hahaha well I never said you weren't perceptive
The good thing is he is so straight he makes me look like a choir boy.

Although I am not doing any drinking or partying either..

Connor · 05-27-2005, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

Connor- Is it true that YNOT is now running peoples sites for them now?

Also have you ever shot content or owned a website?

I just want to know more about your background prior to coming to YNOT -
I am not being disrespectful- I am truly curious that's all.
YOU DO HOWEVER write good articles!

KB... thanks for the compliment.

I opened my first website in early 1997 and had a network of AVS sites and pay sites that I ran for a number of years before selling them. I've done everything from search engine marketing (was a wiz with Excite back in the day) and building TGP galleries and other general HTML design tasks. I have programmed and installed web scripts. I have shot my own content before, although it was a direction I decided not to pursue and more often have worked with other photographers to produce content. Trisha Uptown is one of the models I shot myself before going another direction. I have helped run an affiliate program, and managed several webmaster resource sites. I've lobbied in Sacramento on behalf of the industry. The legal aspects of this business are of particular interest to me. I have scarcely missed a major convention since IA2000 in Orlanda. Matter of fact, I remember the roots of the Player's Ball. ;) I am now Editor-in-Chief of YNOT, and have happily been with YNOT for almost two years now. I consider Bob and Jay to be great friends of mine. I'm not especially flamboyant, but my experience is varied and extensive.

Connor · 05-27-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

They fought to have virtual cp legal,which to me wasnt the best idea.Having girls pretend to be underage is a bad idea.

I'm not sure you are understanding the nature of that "virtual child porn" law that FSC defeated. Under that law, anyone who published pictures of a model who "appeared to be" a minor, even if the model was 40 and you could prove it, would be punished as if they had actually abused a child and produced child porn. Certainly you don't think that's a law that should have stood? Personally I'm not eager to see the Christian fundamentalists have a tool like that to use against any website that features younger but legal models. Additionally, models who were adults but LOOKED young would essentially never get work in the business because it could have led to "virtual child porn" charges. Did you ever see how young Trisha Uptown looked when she was 19? Why should she lose her right to find work because the censorship crowd was looking for more tools to use against the industry? Should Larry Flynt be thrown in jail over "Barely Legal" and treated the same as a child pornographer even though all his models are over 18, it states as such, and he can prove it? It was a very good thing that the FSC beat that "virtual child porn" law. As 2257 shows, efforts to censor adult material are almost always masked in some "protect the children" wrapper.

Regarding what you are saying about getting the message out to the public... I 100% and absolutely COMPLETELY agree with you. I can assure you that you will be seeing a lot more of that from the FSC. And again I would remind you... just a few months ago the FSC hired a FEDERAL lobbyist. Meaning, the operation has been taken beyond Sacramento already. These are definitely vaid issues you are bringing up, and I have brought them both up with the board myself. I think you will be pleased with the results you will see.

xxxjay · 05-27-2005, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

I am proud to call Rick a friend and glad he is doing so well.

Yeah man, I had #1 - #5 for "Paris Hilton Sex Tape" for like a year and a half on Google. It's too bad him and Evan threatened to sue Google over some DMC shit because I was using a CECash banner and Google pulled my listing (I have the email from Google to prove it). I wasn't really making any money on the CECash deal anyway and I was mostly sending them traffic because they are friends of mine. I could have sent you a lot of joins for HH if you had just talked to me first instead of cutting loose with the lawyers.

Oh yeah, I just watched the video from that link...ironically that guy Tom who is interviewed is the PR guy for the Free Speech Coalition now.

How the snake seems to be eating its own tail.

Go FSC!

Connor · 05-27-2005, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

KB is offering his services for FREE
and I guarantee I 'll never be called upon for it...
what a shame

Hit me up on Tuesday. I will be happy to take any honest offer to Michelle and the Board.

invza1 · 05-27-2005, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Watch your tone there buddy...

I am allowed to say "badly designed web site" because I am an expert on badly designed web sites according to some people who visit my sites, lol.

My excuse is that I don't know a line of code, and I'm too busy cranking out content to learn. FSC supposedly paid someone to design their site. BTW, if people aren't configured for flash, or their browser is low on memory, they won't see the Join FSC link. At minimum there should be a text link for that in addition to the flash link.

I think a $100 Membership fee is much more reasonable than $500 for a Producer (or $300 "per site" for Webmasters).

Unfortunately, when I called the FSC offices at 4:30pm local time to check out the $100 Membership deal, I was sent to a generic voicemail box. You would think a lobbying group with a $400,000+ budget would be able to afford someone (or get a volunteer) to take calls - especially if it is about Membership, let alone important legislative matters (I can hear the media now, "No one from the FSC was available for comment when contacted during normal business hours to comment on the 2257 regulations").

I do feel that the adult industry needs an organization to lobby on behalf of it, and I would like to be a part of an industry association that is effective and responsive to it's Memberships needs (not just the big players).

Considering how long they have been around, I am surprised that FSC doesn't appear to have accomplished all that much (not to mention the internal issues with their previous Director, etc).

For me this goes beyond just the 2257 issue, since as I earlier stated in this thread, I shoot my own content and have my 2257 documentation in order (I'll have the cross-indexing completed prior to the June deadline).

If I become a Member of the FSC, then I will act to ensure that they are indeed looking out for the issues that I feel are relevent. Who knows? I might even do some volunteer work, and upgrade to an Institutional Membership as my company grows.

I guess I'll wait until they open again Tuesday and then see about the $100 Membership deal.

ADG Webmaster

LMAO, damn they do have a badly designed website, LOL - good point - I just noticed that there are no text links to become a member.....Sorry bro I'm so stressed about the 2257 bullshit that I lash out at anyone who doesnt refer to FSC as angels. I called today too and got their voicemail and left a message saying that there were questions about the FSC on webmaster boards that their site didnt answer. I have called three times this week total and Michelle Freridge answered the phone 2 of the times. It sounded like the NYSE floor in the background yet she took the time to answer all of my questions. When I informed her that the link to the new lower membership fees was not on the website she stated that I could write in the me $100 membership fee (for sales volume of less than $99,999) on the fax phone or just join over the phone for the lower price. If could get the same level of customer service from my ISP or Sprint that I got from Michelle the Excutive Director of the FSC my world would be a better place.

I've been asking some of the sponsors I use what they intend to do for affiliates to comply with the new 2257 regs and I'm either getting no response or some type of vague answer that doesnt answer anything.

Alot of people are praying for this injunction and Im one of them.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude, I understand your position a little more since you say you tried to call them for answers to your concerns. Like I said I couldnt get through today either.

TheGoldenChild · 05-27-2005, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor

KB... thanks for the compliment.

I opened my first website in early 1997 and had a network of AVS sites and pay sites that I ran for a number of years before selling them. I've done everything from search engine marketing (was a wiz with Excite back in the day) and building TGP galleries and other general HTML design tasks. I have programmed and installed web scripts. I have shot my own content before, although it was a direction I decided not to pursue and more often have worked with other photographers to produce content. Trisha Uptown is one of the models I shot myself before going another direction. I have helped run an affiliate program, and managed several webmaster resource sites. I've lobbied in Sacramento on behalf of the industry. The legal aspects of this business are of particular interest to me. I have scarcely missed a major convention since IA2000 in Orlanda. Matter of fact, I remember the roots of the Player's Ball. ;) I am now Editor-in-Chief of YNOT, and have happily been with YNOT for almost two years now. I consider Bob and Jay to be great friends of mine. I'm not especially flamboyant, but my experience is varied and extensive.

Very impressive thanks for the background info-
I know we have met in passing but never spoke in depth.
this gives me a better understanding of your knowledge in this business and linneage.

:-))

Connor · 05-27-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=228409

READ- it isn't illegal yet to be informed

You should swing by your old stompin' grounds more often.

There are conflicting opinions on what you linked.

http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...cle &sid=9459

TheGoldenChild · 05-28-2005, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Yeah man, I had #1 - #5 for "Paris Hilton Sex Tape" for like a year and a half on Google. It's too bad him and Evan threatened to sue Google over some DMC shit because I was using a CECash banner and Google pulled my listing (I have the email from Google to prove it). I wasn't really making any money on the CECash deal anyway and I was mostly sending them traffic because they are friends of mine. I could have sent you a lot of joins for HH if you had just talked to me first instead of cutting loose with the lawyers.

Oh yeah, I just watched the video from that link...ironically that guy Tom who is interviewed is the PR guy for the Free Speech Coalition now.

How the snake seems to be eating its own tail.

Go FSC!

I am only a referer of Hotel Heiress- the person who handles all the phone calls and calls the shots is Evan.

And of course Rick..

Connor · 05-28-2005, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

I am reading the calendar for the IMPA now to find out when the next meeting is...

http://www.impai.org/calendar.html

I don't know much about web design or code- But I DO KNOW this site is fucked up

Ohhhh, is THAT the angle? Are you trying to drum up support for another organization or something? I was wondering why you were saying some of the things you were saying. Well... still willing to chat with you Tuesday if you want.

TheGoldenChild · 05-28-2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Connor

Ohhhh, is THAT the angle? Are you trying to drum up support for another organization or something? I was wondering why you were saying some of the things you were saying. Well... still willing to chat with you Tuesday if you want.

No I wasn't I was just looking at all the websites listed in on Mr Fiction's sig...

I found the IMPA site to be even more of an abortion that FSC's-

In fact the FSC site looks like Google compared to it.
:-))

Connor · 05-28-2005, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

Very impressive thanks for the background info-
I know we have met in passing but never spoke in depth.
this gives me a better understanding of your knowledge in this business and linneage.

:-))

I don't think our paths have crossed since Cybernet last year... Player's Ball. Eeek-a-mouse.

TheGoldenChild · 05-28-2005, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Connor

I don't think our paths have crossed since Cybernet last year... Player's Ball. Eeek-a-mouse.

ahhhh yes- I forgot we did speak a little that night
Mouse was great, and true old friend from the 619.

Connor · 05-28-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

ahhhh yes- I forgot we did speak a little that night
Mouse was great, and true old friend from the 619.

Yeah man, but he still owes Bob some money! ;)

Been looking at a computer screen too much this week... I'm outa here. Call me Tuesday if you want to chat. Would be good to have you on the FSC side.

xxxjay · 05-28-2005, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

No I wasn't I was just looking at all the websites listed in on Mr Fiction's sig...

I found the IMPA site to be even more of an abortion that FSC's-

In fact the FSC site looks like Google compared to it.
:-))

I agree, the FSC's site could use some work. I'm sure that would be easy to get...well, that is if there are any webmasters left on this board.

Mr.Fiction · 05-28-2005, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

They fought to have virtual cp legal,which to me wasnt the best idea.

Why don't you support free speech for consenting adults?

If a child is not being exploited or even used in the production of content, then where is the "child porn"?

You think things should be made illegal because they offend you personally?

That's no different than the view of the religious right.

Child porn is illegal because children are harmed in its production. If you want to make anything that you don't like "child porn" then get ready for every other right wing group in the United States to have the same right.

The ACLU strongly commended the FSC victory in that case as a victory for free speech.

How about making "virtual murder" illegal too? No movies, books, or games where someone murders another person?

Think before you support oppresive laws!

xxxjay · 05-28-2005, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Why don't you support free speech for consenting adults?

If a child is not being exploited or even used in the production of content, then where is the "child porn"?

You think things should be made illegal because they offend you personally?

That's no different than the view of the religious right.

Child porn is illegal because children are harmed in its production. If you want to make anything that you don't like "child porn" then get ready for every other right wing group in the United States to have the same right.

The ACLU strongly commended the FSC victory in that case as a victory for free speech.

How about making "virtual murder" illegal too? No movies, books, or games where someone murders another person?

Think before you support oppresive laws!

Yeah, 4 real - I usually agree with Tony404 on must things but on this one he's way off base and he even seems to be feeding on the propaganda. We are not talking about any kind of CP here we are talking about consenting 20-something girls with pigtails.

The FSC was right to fight that, even though it was unpopular.

TheGoldenChild · 05-28-2005, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Connor

Yeah man, but he still owes Bob some money! ;)

Been looking at a computer screen too much this week... I'm outa here. Call me Tuesday if you want to chat. Would be good to have you on the FSC side.

Bob is still bitching about his $200 tab of Tequila that Mouse drank?

Please he owes D and I a small fortune but we wrote that off years ago.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-28-2005, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Yeah, 4 real - I usually agree with Tony404 on must things but on this one he's way off base and he even seems to be feeding on the propaganda. We are not talking about any kind of CP here we are talking about consenting 20-something girls with pigtails.

The FSC was right to fight that, even though it was unpopular.

So let me get this straight - now you people are arguing that FSC has big hairy balls for making it legal for say, Dirty Danza, to be gagging a Powerpuff Girl or sumpthin'?

Even when I dress up a model in pigtails and red plaid skirt, I'm always careful to be sure she talks about college and her professor. I don't want anyone to think we are even suggesting that the model might possibly be under 18.

ADG Webmaster

CDSmith · 05-28-2005, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Why don't you support free speech for consenting adults?

If a child is not being exploited or even used in the production of content, then where is the "child porn"?

You think things should be made illegal because they offend you personally?

That's no different than the view of the religious right.

Child porn is illegal because children are harmed in its production. If you want to make anything that you don't like "child porn" then get ready for every other right wing group in the United States to have the same right.

The ACLU strongly commended the FSC victory in that case as a victory for free speech.

How about making "virtual murder" illegal too? No movies, books, or games where someone murders another person?

Think before you support oppresive laws!

Well said.

xxxjay · 05-28-2005, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

So let me get this straight - now you people are arguing that FSC has big hairy balls for making it legal for say, Dirty Danza, to be gagging a Powerpuff Girl or sumpthin'?

Even when I dress up a model in pigtails and red plaid skirt, I'm always careful to be sure she talks about college and her professor. I don't want anyone to think we are even suggesting that the model might possibly be under 18.

ADG Webmaster

If the girl is 25 - what the fuck does it really matter? Are you saying people that photograph at 25 year old girl with pigtails belongs in prison?

Gimmie a break.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-28-2005, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

If the girl is 25 - what the fuck does it really matter? Are you saying people that photograph at 25 year old girl with pigtails belongs in prison?

Gimmie a break.

If a model is 25, and that can be proven, then no they probably do not belong in prison, although depending on the depiction they may be in need of some counseling.

However, I am not comfortable with people shooting a 25 year old and implying that she is 15 either (some of you have daughters and possibly understand what I am speaking of).

Likewise, I don't endorse or support web sites that suggest that it's okay to abuse or rape women of any age, be it a virtual or a live person.

We will not always see eye to eye on all issues. At this time, the important thing for us in the adult industry to do, is to find common ground. For those of you on the extreme fringes, don't expect everyone to embrace all of your views.

There is plenty that we can agree on, and in most instances, the judicial interpretation should cover a wide spectrum of views. We can take on 2257 without insisting that it's okay to create virtual child porn or virtual snuff films, etc.

Those that want to promote that extreme should do so on their own.

ADG Webmaster

xxxjay · 05-28-2005, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

If a model is 25, and that can be proven, then no they probably do not belong in prison, although depending on the depiction they may be in need of some counseling.

However, I am not comfortable with people shooting a 25 year old and implying that she is 15 either (some of you have daughters and possibly understand what I am speaking of).

Likewise, I don't endorse or support web sites that suggest that it's okay to abuse or rape women of any age, be it a virtual or a live person.

We will not always see eye to eye on all issues. At this time, the important thing for us in the adult industry to do, is to find common ground. For those of you on the extreme fringes, don't expect everyone to embrace all of your views.

There is plenty that we can agree on, and in most instances, the judicial interpretation should cover a wide spectrum of views. We can take on 2257 without insisting that it's okay to create virtual child porn or virtual snuff films, etc.

Those that want to promote that extreme should do so on their own.

ADG Webmaster

I don't agree with you on the extreme shit -- if its all consented to, everyone is 18+, they know what they are getting into, and the paperwork is filed -- I really don't think it should matter.

However, I would agree that those on the fringe are going to make very attractive targets when it comes time for prosecution and enforcement.

Far-L · 05-28-2005, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

Once again I am for a lobbying group in our industry
I support that they are trying to fight the good fight for pornographers-

I just feel that it's a Herculean task, and I feel they are underqualified

Is Paul Cambria fighting as part of the Free Speech Coalition?

If he is -then they have someone who is really qualified-
I simply don't know

If I told you that Cabria and Sirkin were involved would you stop grandstanding an issue which you admit yourself that you have no stake in?

Far-L · 05-28-2005, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

No I wasn't I was just looking at all the websites listed in on Mr Fiction's sig...

I found the IMPA site to be even more of an abortion that FSC's-

In fact the FSC site looks like Google compared to it.
:-))

Nice... why don't you donate some money and or time to make it better... Since I see you doing neither and just being content to rail against the only groups that are spending money and time to fight these fights I won't hold my breath.

Talk is cheap and looks like you just discounted it further without anything to add other than "I don't know what I am talking about, this doesn't affect me, but I will continue to talk anyway".

KB... Why don't as part of your "Now I am really going to tell it like it is" campaign you stop being critical of those organizations which are stepping up to fight on behalf of the industry and go after the real riff raff... like all the friends and business associates of yours you know are scamming consumers and webmasters?

If you all think the FSC or IMPA "should be doing something" then join it and make your point as a member. In other words... put up or shut up...

latinasojourn · 05-28-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

However, I am not comfortable with people shooting a 25 year old and implying that she is 15 either (some of you have daughters and possibly understand what I am speaking of).

Likewise, I don't endorse or support web sites that suggest that it's okay to abuse or rape women of any age, be it a virtual or a live person.

We will not always see eye to eye on all issues. At this time, the important thing for us in the adult industry to do, is to find common ground. For those of you on the extreme fringes, don't expect everyone to embrace all of your views.

There is plenty that we can agree on, and in most instances, the judicial interpretation should cover a wide spectrum of views. We can take on 2257 without insisting that it's okay to create virtual child porn or virtual snuff films, etc.

Those that want to promote that extreme should do so on their own.

ADG Webmaster

my sentiments exactly. thank you. now there are two of us

TheGoldenChild · 05-28-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Nice... why don't you donate some money and or time to make it better... Since I see you doing neither and just being content to rail against the only groups that are spending money and time to fight these fights I won't hold my breath.

Talk is cheap and looks like you just discounted it further without anything to add other than "I don't know what I am talking about, this doesn't affect me, but I will continue to talk anyway".

KB... Why don't as part of your "Now I am really going to tell it like it is" campaign you stop being critical of those organizations which are stepping up to fight on behalf of the industry and go after the real riff raff... like all the friends and business associates of yours you know are scamming consumers and webmasters?

If you all think the FSC or IMPA "should be doing something" then join it and make your point as a member. In other words... put up or shut up...

Far-L

No one has answered my question as to what happened with ACACIA...I m truly curious

AND- The website for IMPA is not fucked up?

FightThisPatent · 05-28-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Connor

Let me ask you this KB... it it WERE a member of the board making my post would you feel better about the FSC?

Fight the side joke!

TheGoldenChild · 05-28-2005, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

Fight the side joke!

This is what I have a problem with Far-L

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=471674

can you say SCARE TACTICS?

Far-L · 05-28-2005, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

Far-L

No one has answered my question as to what happened with ACACIA...I m truly curious

AND- The website for IMPA is not fucked up?

Sure the site is fucked up... but we don't exactly have a stream of donations rolling in to pay someone to deal with it, nor is anyone stepping up to volunteer the time and effort to re-do it. It will be fixed eventually I can say for sure.

The Acacia fight is going fine. We just sold some prior art to the mainstream big boys so anyone that thinks we made a bad business decision should guess again. However, that has nothing to do with the 2257 issue.

Maybe if your ass were on the line to go to jail for non-compliance you might understand the seriousness of this and take a more supportive role to a resolution than the harmfully critical stance you are taking now.

TheGoldenChild · 05-28-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Sure the site is fucked up... but we don't exactly have a stream of donations rolling in to pay someone to deal with it, nor is anyone stepping up to volunteer the time and effort to re-do it. It will be fixed eventually I can say for sure.

The Acacia fight is going fine. We just sold some prior art to the mainstream big boys so anyone that thinks we made a bad business decision should guess again. However, that has nothing to do with the 2257 issue.

Maybe if your ass were on the line to go to jail for non-compliance you might understand the seriousness of this and take a more supportive role to a resolution than the harmfully critical stance you are taking now.

What's harmfully critical about not agreeing with the FSC 's scare tactics?

I already offered up my contacts and told Jay that I'd be willing to help any way I can with my resources-

You know all too well Far-L that the FSC is not going to do any press about this...

and why?

Because it brings too much heat for the BIG BOYS.
I am down to help in any way I can

I have donated to the 9/11 Fund
I have donated to the Tsunami Victims
I have donated to Make A Wish Foundation
I donate my money to places that I feel it will be well spent.

I don't donate funds to these charities for self gratification or for my own good press- I do it as a humanitarian.

If I really and truly could be told where this money goes and how it's spent- I would have made a donation by now.

I just don't see webmasters giving their money to an organization that specializes in bookstore obscenity cases.

And how do the webmasters know that their money is going towards the fight for 2257 and not Rob Black's appeal, book store owners, fighting for the interests of the BIG BOYS, or .XXX?

I'd like to know what operating expenses they incur- what kind of hotel rooms they stay in when they are out lobbying, and what their expenditures are before I give them my money.

It's a fair question- If they are a non profit organziation- then in my humble opinion people have a right to ask.

Mr.Fiction · 05-28-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

I just don't see webmasters giving their money to an organization that specializes in bookstore obscenity cases.

And how do the webmasters know that their money is going towards the fight for 2257 and not Rob Black's appeal, book store owners, fighting for the interests of the BIG BOYS, or .XXX?

I'd like to know what operating expenses they incur- what kind of hotel rooms they stay in when they are out lobbying, and what their expenditures are before I give them my money.

It's a fair question- If they are a non profit organziation- then in my humble opinion people have a right to ask.

Why would you care about any of that for a few thousand dollars to a company that has already helped keep you out of jail?

They won in the Supreme Court to protect your clients right to shoot video of girls in pigtails or any girl that looks young.

That alone is enough reason to donate money, no matter what kind of hotel room they stay in.

They are the ones filing a case on 2257.

No matter what kind of car anyone who works at FSC drives, the fact that they are filing the case is reason enough to give them money.

Why don't some of you forget about 2257 and just pay back FSC for all of the money they spent to defend your business in the recent Supreme Court victory.

They won in the Supreme Court. You benefited from that victory. Time to say thanks or admit that no matter how much they do for you and your business, you're still going to cry about it.

Stop thinking of them as some non-profit group and start thinking of them as a business expense like your lawyer.

Do you require your lawyer to stay in $30 hotel room and drive a $2000 car?

TheGoldenChild · 05-28-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Why would you care about any of that for a few thousand dollars to a company that has already helped keep you out of jail?

They won in the Supreme Court to protect your clients right to shoot video of girls in pigtails or any girl that looks young.

That alone is enough reason to donate money, no matter what kind of hotel room they stay in.

They are the ones filing a case on 2257.

No matter what kind of car anyone who works at FSC drives, the fact that they are filing the case is reason enough to give them money.

Why don't some of you forget about 2257 and just pay back FSC for all of the money they spent to defend your business in the recent Supreme Court victory.

They won in the Supreme Court. You benefited from that victory. Time to say thanks or admit that no matter how much they do for you and your business, you're still going to cry about it.

Stop thinking of them as some non-profit group and start thinking of them as a business expense like your lawyer.

Do you require your lawyer to stay in $30 hotel room and drive a $2000 car?

Mr F. all of your points are valid except
THE FSC is a "Trade Organization"
My attorney is a fixed expense.

I do wish however in the future if he is listening, that he stay in a Motel 6
I'll leave the light on for him..
:-))

Mr.Fiction · 05-28-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Even when I dress up a model in pigtails and red plaid skirt, I'm always careful to be sure she talks about college and her professor. I don't want anyone to think we are even suggesting that the model might possibly be under 18.

ADG Webmaster

If you dress the girl up like that, you would potentially be in violation of the law, no matter what she said. You can't have an underage girl say she's overage and legally use that content, why do you think the justice department would have interpreted the law to allow you to do that with girls that look young?

Your content may have become illegal had FSC not won that case, and you are still complaining. Even if you might have been able to shoot that questionable content, you would have had to worry about being arrested for shooting girls of legal age everytime you did a shoot.

The Supreme Court agreed with FSC that the law was unconstitutional. That alone should tell you that they made the right move for the adult industry and for your business.

That case cost them a lot of money and it benefited your business. Why not give them a few bucks now that you have seen what they can do for you?

Mr.Fiction · 05-28-2005, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

I do wish however in the future if he is listening, that he stay in a Motel 6
I'll leave the light on for him..
:-))

TheGoldenChild · 05-28-2005, 12:08 PM

Ok I am officially done discussing this ssue

I am offering my assistance to the FSC, I will contact Jay and Connor on Tuesday.

I hope the FSC can make this issue public and rally the support of webmasters.

My cynicism and my opinions are just that-
MINE.

Go out and fight for what's right, consult your attorney, and most of all have a good holiday weekend

Far-L · 05-28-2005, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

What's harmfully critical about not agreeing with the FSC 's scare tactics?

I already offered up my contacts and told Jay that I'd be willing to help any way I can with my resources-

You know all too well Far-L that the FSC is not going to do any press about this...

and why?

Because it brings too much heat for the BIG BOYS.
I am down to help in any way I can

I have donated to the 9/11 Fund
I have donated to the Tsunami Victims
I have donated to Make A Wish Foundation
I donate my money to places that I feel it will be well spent.

I don't donate funds to these charities for self gratification or for my own good press- I do it as a humanitarian.

If I really and truly could be told where this money goes and how it's spent- I would have made a donation by now.

I just don't see webmasters giving their money to an organization that specializes in bookstore obscenity cases.

And how do the webmasters know that their money is going towards the fight for 2257 and not Rob Black's appeal, book store owners, fighting for the interests of the BIG BOYS, or .XXX?

I'd like to know what operating expenses they incur- what kind of hotel rooms they stay in when they are out lobbying, and what their expenditures are before I give them my money.

It's a fair question- If they are a non profit organziation- then in my humble opinion people have a right to ask.

As a trade organization it is not a charity. Membership means support for your trade. If the internet wants representation on FSC then they should join and make their issues clear. FSC shows up to every show. It is not for lack of trying that the net is under-represented there...

Most of the points you make as your "criticisms" are purely speculative and without any foundation whatsoever. For example, the .xxx deal has been off the table for quite a while now.

The FSC not only protects the "big boys" since it has also addressed issues for talent like health insurance, standards and practices, etc.

Lyons is gone and with him went those issues. The FSC is accountable to its members.

Please stop creating a false impression through innuendo and supposition grandstanding an issue you have apparently ZERO stake in.

tony286 · 05-28-2005, 12:37 PM

Far-L come on you have to admit the focus is on the video business lets not fool ourselves. You spoke about the 5% adult tax they got turned down, that effects video and book stores not the web. Also the 5% tax would been the best thing longterm because it says this is a legal industry which we tax but everybody was afraid they might lose some sales, so short term thought won out.
They will always be like that when the video part of the house makes alot more money then the internet side of the house and 90 % of the production is in LA where the FSC is located. If they were going to do press they would of done it starting 10 yrs ago.If they are afraid to face the media they are not truly our advocate. Getting out in the media putting a positive face on us will be more powerful for us then all the briefs in the world.

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TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	Ok I am officially done discussing this ssue I am offering my assistance to the FSC, I will contact Jay and Connor on Tuesday. I hope the FSC can make this issue public and rally the support of webmasters. My cynicism and my opinions are just that- MINE. Go out and fight for what's right, consult your attorney, and most of all have a good holiday weekend __________________

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Far-L come on you have to admit the focus is on the video business lets not fool ourselves. You spoke about the 5% adult tax they got turned down, that effects video and book stores not the web. Also the 5% tax would been the best thing longterm because it says this is a legal industry which we tax but everybody was afraid they might lose some sales, so short term thought won out. They will always be like that when the video part of the house makes alot more money then the internet side of the house and 90 % of the production is in LA where the FSC is located. If they were going to do press they would of done it starting 10 yrs ago.If they are afraid to face the media they are not truly our advocate. Getting out in the media putting a positive face on us will be more powerful for us then all the briefs in the world.