Let me ask you this KB... it it WERE a member of the board making my post would you feel better about the FSC?

OK, KB - so you say 2257 doesn't effect you now (I don't agree with that at all) -- the new regs definitely will effect the whole affiliate side of the business in such a huge way it is just fucking mind blowing.

It can't believe you can't see that!

And, for such a self proclaimed "marketing guru" like yourself -- you smug attitude makes me not want to do business with Mobbucks or Dirty Danza.

Congratulations.

Great, there is a quote for the Darwin Awards if I ever heard one...help out after we've lost. If you've made the millions you say you have...it should be nothing to step up and help out a little -- hell, think of it as a tax write off.

Jay no smug attitude here
It's just not my concern.

As long as my programs convert- and traffic is up- It's not my business to inspect their 2257 records or even get involved that's all I am saying-

OC Cash is a great program bro-
It truly is.

I think it'd be a shame to make a business decision about not wanting to send to one of my sponsors based upon me having my own opinions don't you?

If I stole from you, lied to you, or cheated you - I can see your point of not sending traffic to these fine programs-
But to be blocked, and have you not do biz with me because I strongly believe the FSC is more about making money than helping us...

Come on man-
Your program, personnel, and reputation are better than that.

The bottom line is really this... WHOEVER is fighting this for us needs some support. By that I don't mean you have to pay $500, but give what you can. Do something.

This fight is already in play so it will happen with or without our help at this point. If people stop giving money, the fight will not end. They are well funded as it is and are not going to run out of money but you really should help with what you can.

BTW... I also have to some what agree with KB in regards to them wanting to get paid on this deal. This is a golden opportunity for anyone to take full advantage of the situation, if they were so inclined.

Who said I made millions?
All I am saying is that the FSC needs to show me where they are making things happen before I'd contribute anything more to them.

I still have yet to see a representative from the FSC come here and answer the questions you all can't.

You never answered my question KB. If a member of the board HAD made my post, would you now feel any different about the FSC? If that had been the case, would you be talking about donating now? Somehow I think it would make no difference to you.

NO.


I'd feel different if they didn't have people on their Board in the past who didn't get free BJ's for their participation.

I know this is the porn biz- but there should be some semblance of professionalism.


I'd feel better if I saw where a $75,000 /yr salary went to people making a difference for us.

I'd also feel better if they did a full disclosure of how they spend the money.

In the past with My Lyon, it look slike a lot of it went into pockets of others as CASH..

Watch your tone there buddy...:winkwink:

I am allowed to say "badly designed web site" because I am an expert on badly designed web sites according to some people who visit my sites, lol.

My excuse is that I don't know a line of code, and I'm too busy cranking out content to learn. FSC supposedly paid someone to design their site. BTW, if people aren't configured for flash, or their browser is low on memory, they won't see the Join FSC link. At minimum there should be a text link for that in addition to the flash link.

I think a $100 Membership fee is much more reasonable than $500 for a Producer (or $300 "per site" for Webmasters).

Unfortunately, when I called the FSC offices at 4:30pm local time to check out the $100 Membership deal, I was sent to a generic voicemail box. You would think a lobbying group with a $400,000+ budget would be able to afford someone (or get a volunteer) to take calls - especially if it is about Membership, let alone important legislative matters (I can hear the media now, "No one from the FSC was available for comment when contacted during normal business hours to comment on the 2257 regulations").

I do feel that the adult industry needs an organization to lobby on behalf of it, and I would like to be a part of an industry association that is effective and responsive to it's Memberships needs (not just the big players).

Considering how long they have been around, I am surprised that FSC doesn't appear to have accomplished all that much (not to mention the internal issues with their previous Director, etc).

For me this goes beyond just the 2257 issue, since as I earlier stated in this thread, I shoot my own content and have my 2257 documentation in order (I'll have the cross-indexing completed prior to the June deadline).

If I become a Member of the FSC, then I will act to ensure that they are indeed looking out for the issues that I feel are relevent. Who knows? I might even do some volunteer work, and upgrade to an Institutional Membership as my company grows.

I guess I'll wait until they open again Tuesday and then see about the $100 Membership deal.

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How can traffic keep going up if your affiliate are closing their thumb TGPs because the fear they might wind up in Club Fed for owning them? What part of that don't you get? It that sense, it effects you for sure.

Still, you haven't answered my question: Who is going to fight the goverment on this? I agree with what someone posted earlier...the goverment only has finite resources to attack this. It's not like they have appropriated an Iraq sized budget on this, so I think it is definently a fight we can win.

And you do come off sounding very smug, even asshole-ish I must say..."well I don't care what happens to anybody else, just as long as I'm not effected..."

Truth be told: Dirty D is a PERFECT TARGET for the goverment to go after:

http://www.dirtydanza.com/images/barfy12.jpg

That, my friend, is perfect for on obstinacy charge: a small program with a limited budget to put up a legal fight and coupled with extreme material...then they are going to back with a 2257 inspection. Like I said, Dirty Danza could have 99,999 records in perfect order, but the 1 that is out constitutes a felony.

That being said, why don?t we stop this before it goes that far?

Judging by your attitude, that wouldn?t really matter to you ? you could just go off and work for the next company.

Your attorney is who should fight the government on this Jay.

I may come off like an asshole- and that is fine for the masses who don't know me or know what I know.

I think I got to see very clearly with my own eyes what goes on in the FSC office- it was located where my office used to be
In GOALIE's headquarters in Chatsworth.

I recall seeing a lot of Solitaire being played on their computers. Now I will say this...
If they are doing something noble and fighting for our rights- than I will stand corrected sometime in the near future with their actions.

Your money is going to the "fight" it's not guaranteeing anythingmore than they will fight it.

Just like attorneys I have retained to fight- in some cases I won- in some cases I lost. Overall I can say that anytime lawyers get involved you lose overall.

There are a lot of personal agendas involved here- people who are getting paid to do this.

I'd like to see how many people work "Pro Bono" besides Aly Drummond
:-))

That I think we can agree on-

Also it's "AFFECTED"
Not effected.

You're lucky you didn't bite on that one KB, but I wish you had. I AM a member of the FSC Board. I was voted in two weeks ago, but the PR hasn't gone out yet and goes out next week. I didn't want to trump the PR by announcing it here, but since you seem to think my authority is somewhat challenged if I'm not a Board member, well, now you know. But I think I was right when I guessed that wouldn't matter to you.

I spent ALL DAY today in a Board of Directors meeting volunteering my time and doing my best to represent the internet industry and help in the 2257 fight, on YNOT's dime I might add since I'm a YNOT employe, only to check out GFY and see all these posts from a small group of people with just wild assertions about the FSC. I haven't gotten that first blowjob or fat kickback yet, but I'll be sure to let you know as soon as I do. I'm looking forward to that. Was it supposted to be part of the orientation package? :1orglaugh

If you have any LEGITIMATE questions about the FSC then please give me a ring on Tuesday and I'll go over all your concerns with you to the best of my ability, and explain why you're dead wrong about both the money issue AND the internet issue. If you're just stirring things up then no need to give me a call. In the meantime, can't hang out on GFY all night, and I think I made my feelings plenty clear in my very long post above.

Anyone with questions can feel free to email me since I probably won't be back on GFY until Tuesday.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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You must have not had a chance to respond to my last post yet.

Pro Bono Work = Pro Bono results

Half the tards on GFY boast like little kids about having $5000 rims or a $1000 cell phone but $300-$500 cost of doing business and keeping your business going???

*shakes head*

Connor- Is it true that YNOT is now running peoples sites for them now?

Also have you ever shot content or owned a website?

I just want to know more about your background prior to coming to YNOT -
I am not being disrespectful- I am truly curious that's all.
YOU DO HOWEVER write good articles!

and $400,000 to fight the Government= FAT CHANCE
An obscenity charge alone costs over 1 million dollars to defend.

What does $400,000 pay for?

It doesn't even buy a house in your neighborhood.

KB - I love you when you totally get shut down you just seem to ignore those posts. You just got schooled like 2 or 3 times in a row by Conner and I.

Ok, so you wouldn't respond to my post on Dirty D, and that's fine, you did get hammered pretty hard on that one. Well, let?s take your other client Mobbucks and this site:

http://www.brazilianbitches.com/index.html??

It is a Brazilian site, so I?m assuming it was shot in Brazil. Are you even aware of some of the new language in 2257 regarding shooting in other counties, using foreign models as an American company, and the new restrictions on acceptable forms of foreign IDs?

The wording is pretty fucking draconian and I?m welling to bet if you continue to sell that site after the 23rd it will be illegal. I don?t know what exactly Mobbucks has done ID wise regarding those shoots, but I am 99% certain that you will have some kind of problems with that content should the new regs take EFFECT!

I don?t know what you were doing the day after the regs were published (probably sitting around with your thumb up your ass), but in Sherman Oaks the FSC was having a meeting (which I was at) and putting their heads together to figure out how to best tackle these issues. How can you still attack their credibly?

Maybe they?ve had problems in the past, but right now they are the only ones trying to make sure the Feds come knocking at everyone?s door. And if you have some kind of doubts about them -- why don?t you just keep quite about it? There is too much division right now in an industry that needs to remain united ? weather it has an AFFECTS on KB or not!

Maybe they?ve had problems in the past, but right now they are the only ones trying to make sure the Feds come knocking at everyone?s door. And if you have some kind of doubts about them -- why don?t you just keep quite about it? There is too much division right now in an industry that needs to remain united ? weather it has an AFFECTS on KB or not!

they are sending feds to peoples door now?

?don't come?...excuse me, you know what I meant.

Attacking a grammar error is a typical response of someone who is getting their ass handed to them in consecutive rounds of verbal sparring.

Concede, KB. Admit you are wrong.

I can see what your saying I will say it again 10 yrs out and very little media presence which is so important. No letters to the editor. They fought to have virtual cp legal,which to me wasnt the best idea.Having girls pretend to be underage is a bad idea. Them doing things with local CA gov does nothing for webmasters. It seemed very focused for the chatsworth bunch. Get the messaqe out to the public is very important. My father saw about the new 2257 on the news and believed it was to fight cp then I explained to him and his view changed 180 degrees. Someone should be doing that then meeting with local CA reps so they dont charge a 5% adult tax. Which wasnt bad because it is saying that porn is a taxable prodct therefore legal. Everyone thinks short term lol

I am not wrong here Jay-
I support your opinion- i really do. If you feel you are doing the right thing, then you are doing the right thing.

I know you feel that you are doing everything in your power to fight this fight and you very well may be-

However- on the point about us shooting in Brazil- Do you have to shoot all your content in Brazil to have Brazilian content?

I see a lot of Ebony sites out there that haven't been shot in Africa.

'Maybe they?ve had problems in the past, but right now they are the only ones trying to make sure the Feds come knocking at everyone?s door. And if you have some kind of doubts about them -- why don?t you just keep quite about it? There is too much division right now in an industry that needs to remain united ? weather it has an AFFECTS on KB or not!'

Agreed.
Speaking of other problems does anyone know whatever happened to the IMPA and ACACIA?

I did say I assumed that it was shot in Brazil. There also is some language that says you can't shoot foriegn models here...Mobbucks might want to check.

Just admit your are wrong. Or tell me what you would do to reverse the tide? I'm up for suggestions.

I won't give you reasons for the same reason you don't see me talking on PANELS at AVN SHOWS or any tradeshow for that matter-

I simply have not made millions of dollars for myself in the content business nor have I owned an affiliate site myself
I am a NOBODY when it comes to my opinion- I am only good for spreading the word- that's what I do

Now if the FREE SPEECH COALITION would like to use my resources and mainstream media contacts to help get the word out I am willing to give them everyone I do business with
Starting with 20/20 of ABC and 60 Minutes
I can then send them to WIRED MAGAZINE, NY TIMES, Wall Street Journal and every morning radio show there is in this country

and I'd do this FREE OF CHARGE
Pro Bono to me means PRO BONO
accepting NO MONEY IN RETURN

Do you know why they won't come to me for these contacts Jay?

Tell me why you think they wouldn't...

KB is offering his services for FREE
and I guarantee I 'll never be called upon for it...
what a shame

Foreign content / models is fine as long as you have a government issued ID. Many of you are missing the big picture here. Do you honestly think the US gov could make us NOT work with people from other countries for any reason? To think some of you believe that is comical. Use your heads people. We do not live in Cuba or North Korea.

The only thing that is a pain in the ass from my POV is:

1) The ridiculous amount of paperwork. Personally I think that sucks ass but that [B]is far from unconstitutional[B]. That's just a lot of paperwork.

2) Violating the models privacy and safety. This I have a major issue with and I think they will destroy this when the time comes.

Foreign sites, content and models will be fine. To not allow it would in fact be blatantly unconstitutional and easy to tear apart when challenged. How could the USA honestly prohibit us from doing business from models from foreign countries? That's absurd.

Too many of you are freaking out based on what your reading on the boards and NOT from what your attorney is telling you. I would bet 90% of you have not even spoken to your attorney on this... and out of the 10% who did, 5% of those is not dealing with someone who is competent in this field. I know a certain webmaster who is sold on what to do by taking information from HIS FAMILY ATTORNEY who practices general law. :1orglaugh

sadly you are probably right

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=228409

READ- it isn't illegal yet to be informed

Tony I know I am right.
I am seldomly wrong.

I wish I was wrong more often when dealing with this industry , fact of the matter is I know so much I am desensitized.

It's a shame I can't even disagree with some people though.

I may not like some people, or some companies out there- but at least I respect their opinions and don't take myself so seriously.

Truth of the matter is I like Jay and this little tiff tells me a lot about him. I'd love to have a guy lik Jay in my corner if I ever needed him- Loyalty is one thing that has been missing from this business for a long time.

Jay I applaud you for being passionate about this isue as it's definitely an important one.

I'd rather see you in a position on the Board than those already sitting in their seats. With the exception of Scott Tucker- He is a nice guy, and smart businessman

150 in the house

149 if you deduct this person who won't be called upon for his mainstream media contact base.

:-))

Now I am just being fecetious people...relax

Some people seem to think the FSC formed yesterday to scam them out of $50. :1orglaugh

I am reading the calendar for the IMPA now to find out when the next meeting is...

http://www.impai.org/calendar.html

I don't know much about web design or code- But I DO KNOW this site is fucked up

Hey, I've always said our case should be taken to the mainstream. If you hook me up - I will take our case to them.

Deal.
And while you are up turn on 20/20 and watch the piece I got for Rick

It was done a while back and my friend Gail Rosenberg produced it

He comes off slimy-
But I also encouraged him a bit
:-))

When does it air?

next piece - turn on channel 7 in LA I believe

BTW he has been sober since this appearance-
He was coming off quite a bender that morning..

I am proud to call Rick a friend and glad he is doing so well.

still looking

on in two mins