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GatorB · 05-26-2005, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Fine. But you always comeback with " trade laws " ... Is this part of NAFTA, WTO agreements, WTA, GATT ????

Which ever one deals with LABELING laws as I have pointed out a few times now. You know you think I'm wrong( and maybe I am ) then go call the DOJ and talk to Gonzales yourself.

exportyourbiz-com · 05-26-2005, 02:03 AM

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There is more ways of punishing than prison. I assume you have assets and bank accounts.

The only way they could seize assets would be a RICO obscenity charge. And I'm pretty sure RICO only allows seizure of foreign assets belonging to US citizens.

exportyourbiz-com · 05-26-2005, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Which ever one deals with LABELING laws as I have pointed out a few times now. You know you think I'm wrong( and maybe I am ) then go call the DOJ and talk to Gonzales yourself.

So I'm 'in violation of trade laws' but you have no clue as to which laws i'm violating?

I can't imagine why I stayed away from GFY for so many years.. this shit is hilarious!

xxxjay · 05-26-2005, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

The only way they could seize assets would be a RICO obscenity charge. And I'm pretty sure RICO only allows seizure of foreign assets belonging to US citizens.

Yes, that is true. They can lock up your bank accounts -- even if they can't gey you criminaly.

GatorB · 05-26-2005, 02:14 AM

Look it's this simple. Say you're a farmer in Canada that wants to sell produce in America. Now there are certian labeling laws you have to abide by in order to do that. Now maybe Canada doesn't require these labels when you sell your goods at home. Does that mean you can say "Fuck those laws it's not required where I live so I won't abide by them."? No you can't. Not if you want to sell to Americans. SAME EXACT THING.

Once again

The rule is no different from other forms of labeling requirements imposed on foreign producers of, e.g., alcohol, tobacco, or food items that are imported into the United States.

If you want to sell to American you HAVE to abide by American laws. Once again if you do not wish to abide by the rules then you are not allowed to sell to Americans.

Foreign producers have the option of not complying with the rule, but then their access to the U.S. market is justly and lawfully prohibited.

So you better just get some code on your sites that redirects American traffic elsewhere.

directfiesta · 05-26-2005, 02:24 AM

I give up ... no intention of cracking my head on a brick wall ...

GatorB, your examples of products are physical ones for the SOLE distribution in the USA ... Look at airwaves ( TV - Radio )... The FCC has rules. If you re-broadcast from within the USA, you have to follow them.

But Joe Millionnaire, with his big dish and a FTA receiver can view programs from Italy wich shows Janet Jackson's nipple ...

Early Morning here ... Sun is rising ... and I am going to bed after fixing a shitload of PHP to french language .... The fucking US company didn't conform to our laws that require predominance of french... Hummmm, GFY is illegal here .... LOL and in Germany also ... ( ID required ) ...

Bottom Line:

This is the most stupid law made on false pretenses ( kid protection ).

GatorB · 05-26-2005, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

I give up ... no intention of cracking my head on a brick wall ...

GatorB, your examples of products are physical ones for the SOLE distribution in the USA

Did you not read the LARGE worded parts? Those are DIRECT QUOTES from the AG.

Here they are again for the mentally challenged.

The rule is no different from other forms of labeling requirements imposed on foreign producers of, e.g., alcohol, tobacco, or food items that are imported into the United States.

Foreign producers have the option of not complying with the rule, but then their access to the U.S. market is justly and lawfully prohibited.

exportyourbiz-com · 05-26-2005, 02:37 AM

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So you better just get some code on your sites that redirects American traffic elsewhere.

What risk do I face if I don't comply and instead of the Geo-IP code I put up a fake Custodian of Records address?

Chicks dig my bad-boy lawlessness in regards to 2257 compliance.

What all of this comes down to is that you can't police the internet in the same fashion that you can stop the sale of tangible goods being exported to the US.

GatorB · 05-26-2005, 02:48 AM

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What risk do I face if I don't comply and instead of the Geo-IP code I put up a fake Custodian of Records address?

What if a beef farmer in Enlgand tried to sell unlabled beef in America? What would happen to him?

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What all of this comes down to is that you can't police the internet in the same fashion that you can stop the sale of tangible goods being exported to the US.

Tell that the the US AG. It's HE that is saying it's the same thing. Yet I get ripped by people who want to believe in their own versions of the law. I'm just giving you info straight from the horses mouth. Don't kill the messenger people.

The Sultan Of Smut · 05-26-2005, 03:29 AM

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What if a beef farmer in Enlgand tried to sell unlabled beef in America? What would happen to him?

Tell that the the US AG. It's HE that is saying it's the same thing. Yet I get ripped by people who want to believe in their own versions of the law. I'm just giving you info straight from the horses mouth. Don't kill the messenger people.

Your point is taken but I think what others are trying to say is that we are marketing a product on the Internet which is accessed by anyone in the world (anyone in a free country) and that we are not specifically targeting an American market like your ag exporter example. Now if I had the US flag as a background image on all my sites and named them "Calfornia Babes" then I'm obviously targeting Americans and should be required to include the appropriate labels.

I am currently, and have been for months now, placing on the front page of each site a 2257 compliance statement as well as stating where the Custodian of Records is located. As a Canadian webmaster I think that's fair. If sponsors want to give me the documents for all their models that's cool too. I have no problem producing the documentation if requested to. As for keeping a catalog of all URLs that point to 'actual sexual' content then that's just too bad. Proving a model is over 18 is one thing but what the DOJ is asking is fucked up.

This law has absolutely nothing to do with protecting children and I don't think anyone here would argue any different. Clinton's Communications Decency Act was an obvious attempt to censor the Internet in the US and control thought. These new regs however are a little different - they legislate a witch hunt.

Joe Citizen · 05-26-2005, 03:55 AM

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You CAN be arrested for that in your country. Why in the fuck can't some of you see what is CLEARLY in the rules.

Are you on crack?

Our law enforcement does NOT enforce U.S. laws. Seriously, you Americans are delusionary. WE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO YOUR LAWS! GEDDIT?

sacX · 05-26-2005, 06:11 AM

solution for foreign webmasters = put your address on a 2257 page, and don't bother keeping any records? It's not like they can come and check.

GatorB · 05-26-2005, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

Are you on crack?

Our law enforcement does NOT enforce U.S. laws. Seriously, you Americans are delusionary. WE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO YOUR LAWS! GEDDIT?

So an UK farmer that tries to sell unlabled beef to the US can't be arrested for violating US trade laws? Hmmmmmm. WTF is the point in having them then?

sacX · 05-26-2005, 06:22 AM

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So an UK farmer that tries to sell unlabled beef to the US can't be arrested for violating US trade laws? Hmmmmmm. WTF is the point in having them then?

probably would target the American who imported the beef

exportyourbiz-com · 05-26-2005, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

So an UK farmer that tries to sell unlabled beef to the US can't be arrested for violating US trade laws? Hmmmmmm. WTF is the point in having them then?

You are confusing 2 things.... letter of the law and practical application

Every single webmaster promoting pornography in the United States by the letter of the law is violating obscenity charges.

Are they prosecuted? No, as the law is too vague to get a conviction.

GatorB · 05-26-2005, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

You are confusing 2 things.... letter of the law and practical application

Every single webmaster promoting pornography in the United States by the letter of the law is violating obscenity charges.

Are they prosecuted? No, as the law is too vague to get a conviction.

I'm just stating the POSSIBILITIES. Hell there has NEVER even been a SINGLE 2257 inspection EVER and it has been law for over a decade. And the odds that little ole me would ever get inspected considering all the big fish the government rather get and sheer # websites out there to begin with. BUT it would be foolish of me to think like it will NEVER happen to me.

spacemonk · 05-26-2005, 08:52 AM

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What if a beef farmer in Enlgand tried to sell unlabled beef in America? What would happen to him?

The uber1337 navy seals team led by steven segal would swim over to england and capture him to be taken to the holy court of america...

Jebus

spacemonk · 05-26-2005, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

Are you on crack?

Our law enforcement does NOT enforce U.S. laws. Seriously, you Americans are delusionary. WE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO YOUR LAWS! GEDDIT?

dude, shush.. steven segal and arnie will come knocking on your door... dont forget silvester stalone either, youve seen what those guys can do!!!

directfiesta · 05-26-2005, 08:56 AM

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dude, shush.. steven segal and arnie will come knocking on your door... dont forget silvester stalone either, youve seen what those guys can do!!!

Why are you leaving out Chuck Norris ?

spacemonk · 05-26-2005, 09:01 AM

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Why are you leaving out Chuck Norris ?

Oh shit!

The Sultan Of Smut · 05-26-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

So an UK farmer that tries to sell unlabled beef to the US can't be arrested for violating US trade laws? Hmmmmmm. WTF is the point in having them then?

HA HA HA wow! No dude, the UK farmer in your example cannot be arrested by US authorities. WTF are you sniffing? I'll give you an example I recall. A mass murderer from California - Charles Ing - was busted in Edmonton for shoplifting. The US federal government applied to the Canadian government to have Ing extradited. This is how things are done between soveriegn states. You might have heard of this at some point. And no, webmasters are not going to be extradited to the US for alleged obscenity charges.

The Sultan Of Smut · 05-26-2005, 11:02 AM

Oh too late you guys already made fun of him.

05-26-2005, 02:24 AM	#106
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,677	I give up ... no intention of cracking my head on a brick wall ... GatorB, your examples of products are physical ones for the SOLE distribution in the USA ... Look at airwaves ( TV - Radio )... The FCC has rules. If you re-broadcast from within the USA, you have to follow them. But Joe Millionnaire, with his big dish and a FTA receiver can view programs from Italy wich shows Janet Jackson's nipple ... Early Morning here ... Sun is rising ... and I am going to bed after fixing a shitload of PHP to french language .... The fucking US company didn't conform to our laws that require predominance of french... Hummmm, GFY is illegal here .... LOL and in Germany also ... ( ID required ) ... Bottom Line: This is the most stupid law made on false pretenses ( kid protection ). __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

05-26-2005, 06:11 AM	#112
sacX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,998	solution for foreign webmasters = put your address on a 2257 page, and don't bother keeping any records? It's not like they can come and check. __________________ Have Asian Language Traffic?

05-26-2005, 02:14 AM	#105
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	Look it's this simple. Say you're a farmer in Canada that wants to sell produce in America. Now there are certian labeling laws you have to abide by in order to do that. Now maybe Canada doesn't require these labels when you sell your goods at home. Does that mean you can say "Fuck those laws it's not required where I live so I won't abide by them."? No you can't. Not if you want to sell to Americans. SAME EXACT THING. Once again The rule is no different from other forms of labeling requirements imposed on foreign producers of, e.g., alcohol, tobacco, or food items that are imported into the United States. If you want to sell to American you HAVE to abide by American laws. Once again if you do not wish to abide by the rules then you are not allowed to sell to Americans. Foreign producers have the option of not complying with the rule, but then their access to the U.S. market is justly and lawfully prohibited. So you better just get some code on your sites that redirects American traffic elsewhere.

05-26-2005, 11:02 AM	#122
The Sultan Of Smut Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 4,325	Oh too late you guys already made fun of him.