Meet the Opposition: www.obscenitycrimes.org - GoFuckYourself.com

xxxjay · 05-25-2005, 09:18 PM

I?m not sure what the deal with this site is. It is #1 for ?obscenity? when you search on Google:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ty&btnG=Search

It claims to be run by:

Morality in Media, Inc. (MIM) is a national non-profit [501(c)(3)] organization that works through constitutional means to curb illegal traffic in obscenity and uphold standards of decency in media. MIM's offices are located in New York City at 475 Riverside Drive, New York, NY 10115.

However, I find it very strange that in the DOJ Obscenity Prosecution News that there is a very prominent link to this site at in the bottom left hand side of the PDF:

http://www.adultinternetlaw.com/docs....obs032604.pdf

Everyone really needs to be supporting the FSC because it appears to me that the DOJ is also ready to put up a good fight and is raising money.

Anybody else know anything about this site? I think it is government propaganda.

AdPatron · 05-25-2005, 09:22 PM

They want to piss on your free speech.

KMR Stitch · 05-25-2005, 09:26 PM

I say fuck em (redneck accent)

xxxjay · 05-25-2005, 09:26 PM

I forgot to include the url in the body of the 1st post, it is:
http://www.obscenitycrimes.org/

You will also notice it in the DOJ PDF.

The Sultan Of Smut · 05-25-2005, 09:40 PM

These nuts will always be around. There are countless forms of violence commited everyday but the quacks can only see evil in some lonely guy tossing off to some free smut online. Unfortanately the nuts are in power now...

Funky Bastard · 05-25-2005, 09:51 PM

I think everybody's going to have to get out of the US

xxxjay · 05-25-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky Bastard

I think everybody's going to have to get out of the US

If your site is visible in the US - it makes no difference! Sorry, can't get out that way!

warlock5 · 05-25-2005, 10:36 PM

damn, they were smart enough to register the .com

xxxjay · 05-25-2005, 10:39 PM

I went over this website with a fine-tooth comb...They seemed to have a million ideas about how to stop porn or bad TV, but never once did they mention WHAT YOU CAN DO AS A PARENT to keep you kids from these kinds of materials.

Doctor Dre · 05-25-2005, 10:40 PM

Gotta love the gayish colors of the webhsite

warlock5 · 05-25-2005, 10:43 PM

How about keep your kids the fuck away from the Catholic Church.

GatorB · 05-25-2005, 10:45 PM

It's ironic that Christian right wing anti-abortion people can find people in their groups with the balls to bombs clinics and shoot abortion doctors yet us evil porn guys can't find even ONE nutjob willing to take these fuckers out

w0rstluk · 05-25-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

If your site is visible in the US - it makes no difference! Sorry, can't get out that way!

united states laws do not apply to non U.S citzens. got it?

GatorB · 05-25-2005, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by w0rstluk

united states laws do not apply to non U.S citzens. got it?

Ok please explain this to the religious right and republicans. When you get it thru their thick skulls let me know.

w0rstluk · 05-25-2005, 11:04 PM

i dont give a shit about them. i didnt vote for that fuckin idiot. its amazing how many idiots are on this board telling other people outside the U.S. to comply. the united states does not run the fuckin internet. And im not breaking my own countries law to adhere to theirs. "yeah you should comply, don't be shady, you are only risking going to jail". idiots

smack · 05-25-2005, 11:05 PM

they claim to be doing this constitutionally. what constitution are they fucking reading?

eroswebmaster · 05-25-2005, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0rstluk

i dont give a shit about them. i didnt vote for that fuckin idiot. its amazing how many idiots are on this board telling other people outside the U.S. to comply. the united states does not run the fuckin internet. And im not breaking my own countries law to adhere to theirs. "yeah you should comply, don't be shady, you are only risking going to jail". idiots

Okay, so when you get your non-american processor, non-american sponsors, non-american hosting, non-american *fill in the blank* lined up...let us know.

w0rstluk · 05-25-2005, 11:09 PM

you are stupid

eroswebmaster · 05-25-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by w0rstluk

you are stupid

do you deal with any american sponsors?

w0rstluk · 05-25-2005, 11:14 PM

yes my 2257 info is located at 1235 dipshit drive in panama
is the united states going to fly someone over and check?

exportyourbiz-com · 05-25-2005, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

do you deal with any american sponsors?

Sponsors can't check for compliance.

eroswebmaster · 05-25-2005, 11:16 PM

Good luck with that.

w0rstluk · 05-25-2005, 11:17 PM

lol even when you are wrong you can't admit it
explain to me the part where I need good luck?

eroswebmaster · 05-25-2005, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0rstluk

lol even when you are wrong you can't admit it
explain to me the part where I need good luck?

When you get termed by a sponsor or a processor because they can't check for compliance..don't come running back here.

thonglife · 05-25-2005, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0rstluk

lol even when you are wrong you can't admit it
explain to me the part where I need good luck?

Who's sending you your checks/transfers?

exportyourbiz-com · 05-25-2005, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

When you get termed by a sponsor or a processor because they can't check for compliance..don't come running back here.

Sponsors can't even afford to check compliance of their own US webmasters, let alone foreign affiliates.

eroswebmaster · 05-25-2005, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

Sponsors can't even afford to check compliance of their own US webmasters, let alone foreign affiliates.

Like I said, good luck with that.

If things continue to go this way and it's too much of a hassle, I can see some sponsors cranking down on who they will allow as affiliates so they don't have to worry about rogue webmasters. You'll have to apply and there be a real thorough examination of who you are possibly even requesting references.

I know of major sponsors right now who are pushing away from the affiliate model as much as they can, especially when they can generate their own inhouse traffic and not worry about the cheaters or where the traffic is coming from and how.

w0rstluk · 05-25-2005, 11:25 PM

forget it this guy is dumb
he wont admit it. good luck with your paperwork douche bag

DateDoc · 05-25-2005, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

Sponsors can't check for compliance.

Hmmm, lets say I am a sponsor and you are the affiliate. You are using my materials to promote my website. If you host any of my images I'd make sure you had all the proper documentation. Why? Because if you don't have it I am sure that DOJ is probably going to come check and make sure I have it. Will I have it? Yes. Will I be thrilled that because of you I have to deal with the DOJ? No. Please just consider your account closed and all monies earned forfeited.

exportyourbiz-com · 05-25-2005, 11:26 PM

You can even pretend you don't use explicit photo content by stripping refferrer's from your sponsor codes or traffic going to your processor.

eroswebmaster · 05-25-2005, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0rstluk

forget it this guy is dumb
he wont admit it. good luck with your paperwork douche bag

LOL even when you're wrong you won't admit it. You just lash out with name calling.
Good luck with that.

exportyourbiz-com · 05-25-2005, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

Hmmm, lets say I am a sponsor and you are the affiliate. You are using my materials to promote my website. If you host any of my images I'd make sure you had all the proper documentation. Why? Because if you don't have it I am sure that DOJ is probably going to come check and make sure I have it. Will I have it? Yes. Will I be thrilled that because of you I have to deal with the DOJ? No. Please just consider your account closed and all monies earned forfeited.

You are talking about sponsors flying all over the world to inspect documents without any justification... you can't possibly be serious in thinking this is a feasible scenario...

exportyourbiz-com · 05-25-2005, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

LOL even when you're wrong you won't admit it. You just lash out with name calling.
Good luck with that.

Please give me the name of one sponsor with the bank account capable of inspecting documentation for all of their affiliates.

eroswebmaster · 05-25-2005, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

You are talking about sponsors flying all over the world to inspect documents without any justification... you can't possibly be serious in thinking this is a feasible scenario...

Nope that is not what he said at all.
He just made up a scenario where he has to deal with extra paperwork because a webmaster promoting his program caused him hassle with the law...so once he gets it corrected he terminates your account and all monies you have earned are forfieted and now he doesn't have to worry about you anymore.

DWB · 05-25-2005, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

I say fuck em (redneck accent)

I speak fluent red neck... Your accent was good.

exportyourbiz-com · 05-25-2005, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

Nope that is not what he said at all.
He just made up a scenario where he has to deal with extra paperwork because a webmaster promoting his program caused him hassle with the law...so once he gets it corrected he terminates your account and all monies you have earned are forfieted and now he doesn't have to worry about you anymore.

I can't believe how difficult this is to get through to you.

The US government cannot inspect records of foreign affiliates. You are making up some hypothetical scenario of a sponsor getting in trouble for an affiliate not being in compliance while the US government cannot possibly know whether or not the affiliate is in compliance. How does this 'hassle with the law' come about?

xxxjay · 05-25-2005, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0rstluk

united states laws do not apply to non U.S citzens. got it?

If your site is visible in the US -- then it must comply with US law becasue you are doing business here. End of story.

exportyourbiz-com · 05-25-2005, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

If your site is visible in the US -- then it must comply with US law becasue you are doing business here. End of story.

With no way of enforcement or punishing businesses not complying it's not much of a law in the practical sense.

xclusive · 05-25-2005, 11:38 PM

First off that link is very scary and a testament to the lengths that they will go to and i'll have to dig into it some more. The there is this Noob Eroswebmaster talking out his ass.***Major Sarcasm there*** Seriously though if you are going to want to make money you are going to have to comply with the law to the best of your ability. Do you think that an affiliate program is going to risk thier business for you? Get your head out of your ass and learn to respect and learn from the law even if you don't like it. Eros is a smart guy and this isn't the time to be fighting it's a time to work together and make the most of the situation.

xclusive · 05-25-2005, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

With no way of enforcement or punishing businesses not complying it's not much of a law in the practical sense.

They could block your sites from us servers no problem. Many countries like china already do this and it will put a serious limitation to your business.

eroswebmaster · 05-25-2005, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

I can't believe how difficult this is to get through to you.

The US government cannot inspect records of foreign affiliates. You are making up some hypothetical scenario of a sponsor getting in trouble for an affiliate not being in compliance while the US government cannot possibly know whether or not the affiliate is in compliance. How does this 'hassle with the law' come about?

LOL you are the one who is being difficult to understand.

Let's say you are promoting for sponsor A who lives in BumFuck, Nevada, America.
You are using their content to promote them, but you are living in BumFuck, Argentina.
Someone sees your for example gallery that you built using SponsorA's content to promote his site.
You did not link to the 2257 information as stated in their terms of service.
A surfer sees the model and thinks..."Hmm..she looks awfully young." and reports it to their District Attorney in BumFuck, Arkansas.
The District Attorney in BumFuck, Arkansa contacts the District Attorney in BumFuck, Nevada who then sends out investigators to check out Sponsor A's legal documents.
Now because the owner of SponsorA has to go through the hassle of the Law visiting his offices he no longer wants to deal with the webmaster in BumFuck, Argentina who thinks they do not have to comply with 2257 laws because they are not US citizens.
So the owner of Sponsor A who is compelled by law to follow those laws, and does not with to spend any jail time just becaues a webmaster in BumFuck, Argentina thinks he/she deserves his/her $30pps will now just close said webmasters account.

Figure it out yet.

Not saying this is how it will happen, not saying this WILL happen...but just because you are outside the US don't think this does not affect you in anyway shape or form.

When it affects your business to business peers, it does affect you.

eroswebmaster · 05-25-2005, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

With no way of enforcement or punishing businesses not complying it's not much of a law in the practical sense.

The way it's enforced is sponsors won't work with you, unless you work within the confinements of the US law.

Why?

Because they have to, and don't want to go to jail for you.

exportyourbiz-com · 05-25-2005, 11:46 PM

The obvious solution is fake addresses for the Custodian of Records, it was already mentioned in this thread.

Nobody can check if the records actually exist or not.

GatorB · 05-25-2005, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

Sponsors can't check for compliance.

Oh really? Then how come even though beastiality is legal in some countries but webmaster from those countries can be banned from sponsors if they used beastiality content on to promote those sponsors sites? I eman after all if it's legal where you live how can a sponsor do that? Um..... BECAUSE THEY CAN. So if a sponsor puts in their TOS that ALL affiliates have to abide by 2257 they certianly can kick you out of thier program is you choose not to abide by 2257 not matter WHERE you live.

exportyourbiz-com · 05-25-2005, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Oh really? Then how come even though beastiality is legal in some countries but webmaster from those countries can be banned from sponsors if they used beastiality content on to promote those sponsors sites? I eman after all if it's legal where you live how can a sponsor do that? Um..... BECAUSE THEY CAN. So if a sponsor puts in their TOS that ALL affiliates have to abide by 2257 they certianly can kick you out of thier program is you choose not to abide by 2257 not matter WHERE you live.

Apples & oranges.

I can sit at my office in Vegas and see that a foreign webmaster is using beastiality on his sites. I can't sit in my office in Vegas and inspect somebody's records on the other side of the world.

I would have to physically travel to the Custodian of Records to inspect the documents.

directfiesta · 05-25-2005, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

do you deal with any american sponsors?

So what ????

If he resides out of the US, host outside of the US, uses non-us billers ....

He advertises with pics some US sites ... Noty his problem. The US site , they must conform, not him ....

This is an american law for american corps and individuals. Foreigners are liable only if they host in the US and/or process in the US and mainly if they break the law in THEIR COUNTRY !

xxxjay · 05-25-2005, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

The obvious solution is fake addresses for the Custodian of Records, it was already mentioned in this thread.

Nobody can check if the records actually exist or not.

That is a violation of the law in itself.

eroswebmaster · 05-25-2005, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

So what ????

If he resides out of the US, host outside of the US, uses non-us billers ....

He advertises with pics some US sites ... Noty his problem. The US site , they must conform, not him ....

This is an american law for american corps and individuals. Foreigners are liable only if they host in the US and/or process in the US and mainly if they break the law in THEIR COUNTRY !

LOL dude try reading the thread..that is the point I made...but you're always too worked up about trying to be Anti-American it clouds your comprehension.

Like I told him up above get all the non-us counterparts lined up.

But if he does work with US sponsors yeah it's their responsibility to conform...but if you think they are going to allow webmasters who won't help them to conform to continue to promote them...once again good luck with that.

I guess maybe the solution is for all US sponsors to just cancel all non-us affiliates..you guys don't seem to want to work out a solution where the US sponsor can continue to operate their business without legal hassle.

Where does that get you in the end? Maybe some of your favorite sponsors shut down?

exportyourbiz-com · 05-25-2005, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

That is a violation of the law in itself.

Yes but foreign webmasters have full indemnity of the law that they are technically violating.

The records cannot be verified for foreign webmasters.

Back to square one.

DateDoc · 05-25-2005, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exportyourbiz-com

With no way of enforcement or punishing businesses not complying it's not much of a law in the practical sense.

Lets look at this example: The US DOJ sends you an email requesting to see your 2257 compliance information as they cannot find it on your website. You, not being American, either ignore them or send them a smartass email. Since they can't get in touch with you they target the sponsor. Do you really think a sponsor wants that? Are all your sponsors now going to be based outside of the US, not owned by a US citizen/resident, have offshore web hosting and European billing? You may not want to comply but a sponsor may close your account if you don't. CYA buddy. the sponsor surely will his.

05-25-2005, 09:26 PM	#4
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	I forgot to include the url in the body of the 1st post, it is: http://www.obscenitycrimes.org/ You will also notice it in the DOJ PDF. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

05-25-2005, 10:39 PM	#9
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	I went over this website with a fine-tooth comb...They seemed to have a million ideas about how to stop porn or bad TV, but never once did they mention WHAT YOU CAN DO AS A PARENT to keep you kids from these kinds of materials. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

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smack Push Porn Like Weight. Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Inside .NET Posts: 10,652	they claim to be doing this constitutionally. what constitution are they fucking reading? __________________ Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	First off that link is very scary and a testament to the lengths that they will go to and i'll have to dig into it some more. The there is this Noob Eroswebmaster talking out his ass.*Major Sarcasm there* Seriously though if you are going to want to make money you are going to have to comply with the law to the best of your ability. Do you think that an affiliate program is going to risk thier business for you? Get your head out of your ass and learn to respect and learn from the law even if you don't like it. Eros is a smart guy and this isn't the time to be fighting it's a time to work together and make the most of the situation. __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

05-25-2005, 09:18 PM	#1
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	Meet the Opposition: www.obscenitycrimes.org I?m not sure what the deal with this site is. It is #1 for ?obscenity? when you search on Google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ty&btnG=Search It claims to be run by: Morality in Media, Inc. (MIM) is a national non-profit [501(c)(3)] organization that works through constitutional means to curb illegal traffic in obscenity and uphold standards of decency in media. MIM's offices are located in New York City at 475 Riverside Drive, New York, NY 10115. However, I find it very strange that in the DOJ Obscenity Prosecution News that there is a very prominent link to this site at in the bottom left hand side of the PDF: http://www.adultinternetlaw.com/docs....obs032604.pdf Everyone really needs to be supporting the FSC because it appears to me that the DOJ is also ready to put up a good fight and is raising money. Anybody else know anything about this site? I think it is government propaganda. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

05-25-2005, 09:22 PM	#2
AdPatron No commissions, no fees. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 17,706	They want to piss on your free speech.

05-25-2005, 09:26 PM	#3
KMR Stitch I am cool Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14,494	I say fuck em (redneck accent)

05-25-2005, 09:40 PM	#5
The Sultan Of Smut Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 4,325	These nuts will always be around. There are countless forms of violence commited everyday but the quacks can only see evil in some lonely guy tossing off to some free smut online. Unfortanately the nuts are in power now...

05-25-2005, 09:51 PM	#6
Funky Bastard So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 2,544	I think everybody's going to have to get out of the US

05-25-2005, 10:36 PM	#8
warlock5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uranus Posts: 2,808	damn, they were smart enough to register the .com

05-25-2005, 10:43 PM	#11
warlock5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uranus Posts: 2,808	How about keep your kids the fuck away from the Catholic Church.

05-25-2005, 10:45 PM	#12
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	It's ironic that Christian right wing anti-abortion people can find people in their groups with the balls to bombs clinics and shoot abortion doctors yet us evil porn guys can't find even ONE nutjob willing to take these fuckers out

05-25-2005, 11:04 PM	#15
w0rstluk Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 78	i dont give a shit about them. i didnt vote for that fuckin idiot. its amazing how many idiots are on this board telling other people outside the U.S. to comply. the united states does not run the fuckin internet. And im not breaking my own countries law to adhere to theirs. "yeah you should comply, don't be shady, you are only risking going to jail". idiots

05-25-2005, 11:09 PM	#18
w0rstluk Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 78	you are stupid

05-25-2005, 11:14 PM	#20
w0rstluk Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 78	yes my 2257 info is located at 1235 dipshit drive in panama is the united states going to fly someone over and check?

05-25-2005, 11:17 PM	#23
w0rstluk Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 78	lol even when you are wrong you can't admit it explain to me the part where I need good luck?

05-25-2005, 11:25 PM	#28
w0rstluk Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 78	forget it this guy is dumb he wont admit it. good luck with your paperwork douche bag

05-25-2005, 11:26 PM	#30
exportyourbiz-com Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 141	You can even pretend you don't use explicit photo content by stripping refferrer's from your sponsor codes or traffic going to your processor.

05-25-2005, 11:46 PM	#43
exportyourbiz-com Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 141	The obvious solution is fake addresses for the Custodian of Records, it was already mentioned in this thread. Nobody can check if the records actually exist or not.