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Old 05-25-2005, 12:09 PM   #1
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2247 Solutions : Online service for both producers and webmasters...

I don't like to jump the gun being that it can still be viewed as "early" (although 30 days can go quickly), but it seems to me that in the midst of all the confusion of what exactly is required on behalf of webmasters as far as record keeping is concerned, that it would be in everyone's best interest that there be a solution that will make the unfortunate task of record keeping flow smoothly as possible.

What I'm thinking of is a service divided into two seperate systems. One for content producers to "house" their model documents in an organized fashion, and the other system for webmasters to help organize those required documents. Webmasters would have the ability to search through a paysite/content producer organized directory, select, and search through organized records based on niche, model name, etc... and with a click of a button it will add to their own "document portfolio (or whatever)" and they can choose to group that per niche and print for their own physical records.

So the service would serve as an organizational records-keeping system for both producers and webmasters.

Now I know there are issues of privacy and such which would require maximum security in every aspect of the service -- however it just seems to me that there will be a need for a system like this.

PS: I know there are already a couple people coming up with something, and if you guys are reading this, please let me urge you that if you make something, DON'T LET IT BE A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT! Because I KNOW whatever comes out in the next few weeks is probably going to look ugly as fuck and function like crap. It needs to be designed very well, and have every feature + more. Only reason I haven't drafted anything out is because I don't know the laws myself, otherwise I'd bust out something that'd make everyone wet their panties.

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err.. just realized i put 2247 in the title ;)
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err.. just realized i put 2247 in the title ;)
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IPS: I know there are already a couple people coming up with something, and if you guys are reading this, please let me urge you that if you make something, DON'T LET IT BE A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT! Because I KNOW whatever comes out in the next few weeks is probably going to look ugly as fuck and function like crap. It needs to be designed very well, and have every feature + more. Only reason I haven't drafted anything out is because I don't know the laws myself, otherwise I'd bust out something that'd make everyone wet their panties.

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What he said....Plus, it functions great and does not look like shit.


Here's a sneak peak of a few screen caps. We are currently implementing the new regs into the system. Just added the hyperlink to the content URL as one of those implementations.

Fully searchable, cross referenced, and the option of a hard copy output.



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Thank you. More importantly...It's works flawlessly.
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I don't like to jump the gun being that it can still be viewed as "early" (although 30 days can go quickly), but it seems to me that in the midst of all the confusion of what exactly is required on behalf of webmasters as far as record keeping is concerned, that it would be in everyone's best interest that there be a solution that will make the unfortunate task of record keeping flow smoothly as possible.

What I'm thinking of is a service divided into two seperate systems. One for content producers to "house" their model documents in an organized fashion, and the other system for webmasters to help organize those required documents. Webmasters would have the ability to search through a paysite/content producer organized directory, select, and search through organized records based on niche, model name, etc... and with a click of a button it will add to their own "document portfolio (or whatever)" and they can choose to group that per niche and print for their own physical records.

So the service would serve as an organizational records-keeping system for both producers and webmasters.

Now I know there are issues of privacy and such which would require maximum security in every aspect of the service -- however it just seems to me that there will be a need for a system like this.

PS: I know there are already a couple people coming up with something, and if you guys are reading this, please let me urge you that if you make something, DON'T LET IT BE A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT! Because I KNOW whatever comes out in the next few weeks is probably going to look ugly as fuck and function like crap. It needs to be designed very well, and have every feature + more. Only reason I haven't drafted anything out is because I don't know the laws myself, otherwise I'd bust out something that'd make everyone wet their panties.

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The only problem I can see with your plan is:

Which Content Providers are going to go through 10 years worth of content and feed this database?
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The only problem I can see with your plan is:

Which Content Providers are going to go through 10 years worth of content and feed this database?

Probably the U.S ones who don't want any legal problems over this.

That and foreign producers who want to make sure their US clients are covered and happy.
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The only problem I can see with your plan is:

Which Content Providers are going to go through 10 years worth of content and feed this database?
that's the thing - this service will exist (as aaronM has understood) and because of the fact that webmasters will really rely on this system (more so than the content producers), it will force content producers to use this system. and obviously only 1 of these services can exist, where one goes, the rest will follow.
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What he said....Plus, it functions great and does not look like shit.


Here's a sneak peak of a few screen caps. We are currently implementing the new regs into the system. Just added the hyperlink to the content URL as one of those implementations.

Fully searchable, cross referenced, and the option of a hard copy output.

looks great, aaron. will you also resell that tool?

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looks great, aaron. will you also resell that tool?


Doubtful but anything is possible if the right offer comes along.

We've been developing this for almost a year now. Countless hours, customer surveys, focus groups, beta testing, etc.....

It has not been a small undertaking to say the least.
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For clarification....This is a secure service we are developing so we will be licensing the service to others. Not sure if you meant selling it outright or if you meant selling access to it.
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Doubtful but anything is possible if the right offer comes along.

We've been developing this for almost a year now. Countless hours, customer surveys, focus groups, beta testing, etc.....

It has not been a small undertaking to say the least.

that sounds as if i couldn't afford it

edit: access, of course - and use it for my customers as well.
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damn aaron, nice setup, but i thought i read that third party records keepers are not allowed under the new regs

im no lawyer so im sure you know what youre doing anyhow.

disregard me

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edit: access, of course - and use it for my customers as well.

Then yes...And it will be affordable. If people want to buy the software to run it independently then it would be fairly expensive.
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Then yes...And it will be affordable. If people want to buy the software to run it independently then it would be fairly expensive.
ok, then we understand each other. i'm interested - let me know when the time has come to discuss details.
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This is not a 3rd party record keeping thing. Customers maintain their records with the hard copy output. We simply educate the customers on how to properly handle things, give them the tools to do it, and make it a lot easier of a process. PLUS, they can retrieve the records from any Internet ready computer should the need arise.

Trust me bro.....This has been very well thought out and it's currently under review by a 3rd attorney.

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ok, then we understand each other. i'm interested - let me know when the time has come to discuss details.

You got it. Thanks for your interest.
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Nice Aaron but I have seen a nicer one coming soon. :-)
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Aaron you seem to be as well versed in 2257 as anybody but from what I've been reading I don't think you can have this database setup on the WWW - I thought it had to be on a computer on the business' premises not on a WWW server accessed remotely. Am i right? wrong?
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This is not a 3rd party record keeping thing. Customers maintain their records with the hard copy output. We simply educate the customers on how to properly handle things, give them the tools to do it, and make it a lot easier of a process. PLUS, they can retrieve the records from any Internet ready computer should the need arise.

Trust me bro.....This has been very well thought out and it's currently under review by a 3rd attorney.
AaronM - message or email me - have something to show you that might fit in.
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Aaron,

That is an awesome new system you are implementing there. We are also currently working on a similar setup in which we can allow webmasters real time access to the latest models going up on all of our sites so that they can download the records before they can download the content.
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Aaron you seem to be as well versed in 2257 as anybody but from what I've been reading I don't think you can have this database setup on the WWW - I thought it had to be on a computer on the business' premises not on a WWW server accessed remotely. Am i right? wrong?

3 words.

HARD COPY OUTPUT.

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What he said....Plus, it functions great and does not look like shit.


Here's a sneak peak of a few screen caps. We are currently implementing the new regs into the system. Just added the hyperlink to the content URL as one of those implementations.

Fully searchable, cross referenced, and the option of a hard copy output.



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Aaron, can you hit me up on ICQ 106280052 i'd like to discuss it with you further.

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Aaron, DOJ made it quite clear, the records must be at the place of business, not at a third party. They must be segregated from all other records.

Your idea is great, but the DOJ has said it is specifically NOT what they want.

Good luck selling it though, I am sure you will make a killing (just save some for legal later, Mkay?)

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Thank you.
ok - didn't see your followup post until I had already posted the question.
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If it is made available for download, resellers can also get themselves a hard copy of the content records. That is I believe the premise for Aaron's system.
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If it is made available for download, resellers can also get themselves a hard copy of the content records. That is I believe the premise for Aaron's system.

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Aaron, DOJ made it quite clear, the records must be at the place of business, not at a third party. They must be segregated from all other records.

Your idea is great, but the DOJ has said it is specifically NOT what they want.

Good luck selling it though, I am sure you will make a killing (just save some for legal later, Mkay?)

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What party of HARD COPY OUTPUT are you people not comprehending?

All I am doing is supplying the tools to create and file what you need to comply with the law. You still maintain your data and files wherever you want and as such, YOU are the custodian of records.
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Great, except for the pain of double checking every single one of our URL's
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What party of HARD COPY OUTPUT are you people not comprehending?

All I am doing is supplying the tools to create and file what you need to comply with the law. You still maintain your data and files wherever you want and as such, YOU are the custodian of records.

Sounds and looks like a great money making idea.
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When can we hope for a live version... only 30 days for compliance, so I'm hoping soon?
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should expand into a suite of tools that includes what Naughty America is doing for affiliates' use of 'free content'.

well it looks like at least people are going to have the tools pretty soon to do the job - now the grunt work of hunting down what you own, where it is and data input.
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For clarification....This is a secure service we are developing so we will be licensing the service to others. Not sure if you meant selling it outright or if you meant selling access to it.
Do you have a licensing price plan figured out yet? URLs to check out FAQs about it, information on it, what it does, etc?

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When can we hope for a live version... only 30 days for compliance, so I'm hoping soon?

That depends on the final attorney review.

Right now, the attorneys worth their salt are getting to the bottom of exactly what these new regs say. Once that is done, we will sit down together and review everything we are doing.

I'll be honest with you, I don't expect to be the first to market with a solution for 2257 but I do expect to have one of the best solutions available. I'm not going to launch something half assed because if I fuck it up, many people will not even consider it after V2.0 fixes whatever was wrong. V2.0 will focus on additional features as we expect to nail the compliance requirements down the first time.

Now, I've got to get back to work. If you wish to be contacted about this once it's ready, just leave a note here or hit me up on ICQ if you have my number. As you can imagine, I am very busy working on this since the new regs were posted...Plus I have other businesses to tend to as well as client orders to shoot and deliver.
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Do you have a licensing price plan figured out yet? URLs to check out FAQs about it, information on it, what it does, etc?

Nice app, btw. Looks tight.

Yes, I have all of that. And the site is already designed and in place. But I'm not about to start linking to something that is not ready yet.
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OH don't worry about us we already have everything on hard copy in folders all organized in full color as well as scanned into a computer database, and have DVD's burned containing the content at various residences.

We are more than prepared, the only pain in the you know what now is finding and documenting every single URL where our models are displayed.

That will be the hardest for a lot of sites, and offcourse unless they have been producing their own content like us or at least maintaining their records the whole time, they are going to have 4 horrible weeks.
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HARD COPY OUTPUT.

Thank you.
The changes in the comments are allowing the use of electronic files (ie storing the files on a computer) So paper copies are no longer required. Being the webmasters will have to have copies of the full set of images in question to go along with the 2257 info. I think storing them as "hard copies" will not be a big hit with most webmasters.

A webmaster can go to the store and buy a 200 gig hard drive or two to store all their records with the matched digital content. Why on earth would anyone want to store them as paper documents that would quickly fill several filing cabinets and probably a room or two of a med to large scale operation.
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Thanks for the info...

Let me know if there is ANYTHING at all I can do to help launch. Programming, design, marketing, promotions... whatever...

Products like yours are going to keep us all alive in the coming months... I'd love to help out.
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Great, except for the pain of double checking every single one of our URL's
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excellent - we have scheduled 2 months upfront - and have orders for about 2 or 3 months more. can't hardly be better. now i just need to clone myself.
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That will be the hardest for a lot of sites, and offcourse unless they have been producing their own content like us or at least maintaining their records the whole time, they are going to have 4 horrible weeks.

Yeah, that definitely sucks. I know this system inside and out, have always been compliant, and am ready...BUT....Implementing everything into a new system is very time consuming. Unless you only have a few models and very limited content, I honestly don't see how anybody could be compliant under any of these possible solutions withing 30 days even if it were released today.

Your best bet is to get with the right attorney and nail it down now by amending whatever system you already have in place. Changing to a new system is always a heavy workload.
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That depends on the final attorney review.

Right now, the attorneys worth their salt are getting to the bottom of exactly what these new regs say. Once that is done, we will sit down together and review everything we are doing.

I'll be honest with you, I don't expect to be the first to market with a solution for 2257 but I do expect to have one of the best solutions available. I'm not going to launch something half assed because if I fuck it up, many people will not even consider it after V2.0 fixes whatever was wrong. V2.0 will focus on additional features as we expect to nail the compliance requirements down the first time.

Now, I've got to get back to work. If you wish to be contacted about this once it's ready, just leave a note here or hit me up on ICQ if you have my number. As you can imagine, I am very busy working on this since the new regs were posted...Plus I have other businesses to tend to as well as client orders to shoot and deliver.

i don't have your ICQ unfortunately - but i hope you already put me on the list of people to notify...
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The changes in the comments are allowing the use of electronic files (ie storing the files on a computer) So paper copies are no longer required. Being the webmasters will have to have copies of the full set of images in question to go along with the 2257 info. I think storing them as "hard copies" will not be a big hit with most webmasters.

A webmaster can go to the store and buy a 200 gig hard drive or two to store all their records with the matched digital content. Why on earth would anyone want to store them as paper documents that would quickly fill several filing cabinets and probably a room or two of a med to large scale operation.

You are thinking inside the box.

The ability to print a hard copy is not limited to a physical piece of paper. Things can also be "printed" as a Acrobat (.pdf) file and then stored electronically.

The new regs implemented a paperwork reduction act...Not a paperwork elimination act. I for one will still maintain hard copies in a file cabinet.
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The biggest problem with 2257 compliance is the lack of education that the average webmaster has on the topic. Our product educates them first and foremost. Then it gives them a set of tools to streamline the process for them, along with step by step directions. When they are done, we gather all of the relevant info and give them the ability to output it in an easy to review and file way. This can be done electronically or with paper copies.

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