gotcha. my bad for not reading the entire thread before posting.

i'm sure that you are 100% ON TOP of your game anyhow.

:thumbsup

thats what i was thinking

aaronM, i have a question

do you need to have the exact set of images or videos stored combined with the docs, or will the docs just itself do? If you do galleries and run thumbsites there is no chance in hell you will be able to have all sets of images submitted to your site stored with the docs... but if your new system works well, it WILL be possible to have all docs ....

Ahh I gotta yea now.. I didn't think of PDF's

Aaron,

You are so very right.
My advice to anyone is to read the legal documents yourself, not all the bs with people commenting, but first 29619 of the legal documents, thats where the actual changes are. Then from there you need to comply with everything so much that no one can question your motives.
Whatever you don't understand or even question your understanding of, immediately call an attorney.

Are two forms of ID really needed? I didn't see that in the new Regs... :question

Like I said...We've put a lot of thought into this project. :winkwink:

Sorry Spewie, I'm not giving any advice about this. As it stands, I am waiting to hear from attorneys about some of these very issues. The law is complex now and I am not leaving anything up to my own interpretations.

i understand mate

No, only 1 is required if it fits the criteria. Many people request a second piece though. This is why we have included the Secondary Identification fields.

Aaron, Please let us know when this is up and running. We will be using it as soon as we can to double check what we already have, and to augment that. It is a great system. If there is anything we can do to help, please let us know.

and that surprised me the most - but it makes a lot of stuff i originally put away cause i thought i couldn't sell it suddenly very valuable again.

:glugglug

no, he's not going to let you know when it's up and running. he's going to wait around for awhile after it is completed, and let other people launch similar services first.

you stupid bastard! :winkwink:

Anything?

You wanna cover my legal fees for this project? :winkwink:

Wow Aaron, sounds great man.

looks JUICYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Thank you and thank you. :glugglug

I love that webmaster use what they know best to nutralize threats. TECHLOLOGY and INNOVATION. The system looks fantastic . :thumbsup It would be great to see a broad based system that content producers could feed data into and WM's could pull out of.

The electronic storage clause would certainly faciliatate that type of system -producers upload their dbs and wm's could download zips, pdfs etc as Aarons system allows by searching and selecting content in their portfolio - it could also notify wm automatically of new available content based on their purchassing habits thus adding an incentive for 2257 compliant clients to use the system (read more sales all fully integrated into the system).

Anyway glad to see people using tech to the advantage of the community.

Aaron, would you ICQ me? 12005327.

-b

And, because of what Aaron says in this post, when he is ready, we will be at his door, check in hand....because he won't launch something half assed or non compliant.....he will make sure it is a worthy tool.

looks really nice.

let's us know when it is ready for roll-out!

can it do a server wide scan? ex: i code jpg names to a model id---can it scan every jpg on the server, and then cross reference every html page on which that jpg appears and build the database?

seems like this is the fast way to get it handled.

(not a geek, just thinking on this for a sec)

i applaud the effort :thumbsup

How do you propose that a script find 001.jpg and know to cross reference that image to Jane Doe's profile?

not mocking the idea, but I'd need to know how to have a script go through all the files in directories such as /home/mygalleries/J8Hs8fs9a/images/001.jpg and somehow know who's image that belongs to, in which set and from what date.

until I get specs to do this, I just can't come up with it.

well, as an example:

let's say you do a shoot and you name the model "jjal4" then every jpg you ever produce for this photo session this date is named jjal4-1.jpg, jjal4-2.jpg, etc. etc.

now how build your html pages with these (and presumably other) images, each jpg having a unique name linking it to a model ID.

now the script does multiple searches on your server, looking at the source code of the html files, and matches the jpg names to the html file.

am i missing something here, someone pick this idea apart. seems pretty fuckin' simple.

LOL...That means "No." :1orglaugh

Actually, it's not simple at all. The reason it's way more complex than that is because there is no industry wide standard format for file and /or directory names and structures. Everybody does things a different way. As I see it, it is not possible simply because there are infinite ways of doing things.

HOWEVER....I'm not a programmer....That's Stuart's area. :winkwink:

BTW....You may be onto something here for a future update. Not quite the way you are suggesting but your idea has given me some ideas.

Thank you for your input.

It's plausible to program a user side image reference correct. Not an industry wide standard, but you should be able to write an interface that would collect the model name from user input, and the scour a server for reference points all from user input, and generate a link list for compliance...

Just another 2 cents from the munki

look, just thinking off the top of my head.

let's suppose that a guy produces his own content, and uses his own content on his own servers.

there there's a several hundred thousand different images, and a hundreds of different models.

IMO the most onerous part of the revised 2257 regs is the requirement that you setup a database providing a every URL for each image.

not the model ID record-keeping per se, that is a piece a cake---it's finding FAST where EVERY URL is, that each image is on.

now as a practical matter, the primary producer can visually identify the vast majority of his models.

so just thinking now...

suppose there was a utility that would scan every jpg on a server and then build a visual database something like thumbs4 for example.

now the producer (who knows his models) can immediately see the people and put the images in separate folders.

now he takes folder A which has been (fairly quickly visually sorted to a specific model) and has the script do a search on these jpg names within the server, and it compiles an html list of all the pages this particular model in on.

i can see this in my mind, but i may not articulate it properly.

this utility is a doable deal for a competent coder.

I just read this:

J.D. Obenberger, principal in the Chicago law firm J.D. Obenberger & Associates, noticed a number of things ?sidestepped? by the Justice Department when it drafted the final regulations. Obenberger went so far as to call the issues ?ignored.? Among them is the economic burden imposed on Web cam operators by the requirement that they archive and include with their records a copy of every live broadcast. The legality of collecting and filing multiple, redundant IDs ? often encouraged when dealing with new models ? is another gray area Obenberger feels should have been addressed for the benefit of both the adult industry and the government. ?Producers are prohibited by law from having more than one form of ID with any one record,? Obenberger says. ?You can go to jail for [violating] that. It just makes sense for a producer to copy more than one ID, because [an underage] girl might have a fake driver?s license saying she?s 21, but it?s unlikely she?d have two IDs that match.?


No idea if it's valid, but as an FYI...

Here's the source:

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=227704

9th paragraph down

Use the EXIF or IPTC info that is stored within the JPEG image. Software can easily read the data during a scan.

Every JPEG can contain it's own data linking back to a database.

Unfortunately, GIF doesn't support this.. but who cares about gifs anyway :)

yes, thanks for reminding me of that.

breezebrowser can do a sort like that i think.

Aaron

showed your screen shot of your 2257 software and the thread to a few friends in the progaming field tonight just to get a heads up - got a very detailed one - gotta tell ya man im impressed.

WTF??? Do I read this correctly?

?Producers are prohibited by law from having more than one form of ID with any one record,? Obenberger says. ?You can go to jail for [violating] that. It just makes sense for a producer to copy more than one ID, because [an underage] girl might have a fake driver?s license saying she?s 21, but it?s unlikely she?d have two IDs that match.?

So, a producer protects himself by ensuring that the model is of LEGAL age (what these new 2257 regulations are meant to do, mind you) by getting more than one piece of ID, and THAT is against the law?

If I read that correctly, than that really shows where the DOJ's mindset really is. Just in case you had any question about it.

BTW, your idea looks good Aaron. You'll make your money back in NO time if you so choose.

Thank you....But I have to give credit where credit is due.

I have had a lot of input from others about this. I combined their input with my ideas and handed it over to Stuart.

He's the brains of this operation. :winkwink:

i shouldve mentioned your crew also :thumbsup .

posting those screenshots tells me a lot about you aaron and it changed my perception of you and im not talking about your ball breaking board persona :1orglaugh

coming up with the idea back when talk of changes to 2257 were first made public, (which was how long ago?) is what really impressed me.

hehe... thanks, but I'm just a piece of the pie. There's no way in hell I could have scripted anything even close to compliant on my own.
As I said before, I just follow directions well :winkwink:

AaronM hit me up matt at wildcash.com when you have your solution setup sounds good so far, as long as price isn't overly expensive sounds like a nice service

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Aaron, put me on your waiting list - very nice setup. kudos to you and Stuart.

and Thanks to galleryseek for creating this thread. :thumbsup

hopefully the MODS can rename the title to 2257 so we can all search for this thread when search comes back.

Anyone that would like to help put Aaron, send him a dontation to help cover legal fees.