ATTN: TGP Owners - Can I Get A Little Help? - GoFuckYourself.com

Jake · 05-23-2005, 06:37 PM

If you haven't seen THIS THREAD here's the deal. This guy submitted A GALLERY PROMOTING MENSNICHE using CONTENT STOLEN FROM NAUGHTY ALLIE.

As early as Saturday morning I began contacting the sponsor, the affiliate/webmaster and filing DMCA notices with the hosting company (WebAir) and the registrar (GoDaddy). As you can see it's been 3 days and the content is still up and the links to the sponsors still work.

During an ICQ conversation with the "webmaster" who stole the content he stated to me: "I've told you allready, that I haven't stolen anythink..." Since the guy is in either Germany or Afganistan (depending on which contact info you believe) he seems to think he's untouchable.

All I'm asking is that you send a message to this guy and others like him and ban him from submitting galleries to your TGP. You can also CHECK HERE to see if this particular gallery has been submitted to your TGP. If he doesn't have a problem with using stolen content for his galleries I'm quite sure he doesn't have a problem with CHEATING TGPS EITHER!

Allie and I would both greatly appreciate your cooperation in this matter.

AdPatron · 05-23-2005, 06:42 PM

Go after the host. That's the fastest way.

MrVids · 05-23-2005, 06:43 PM

no help for you

Jake · 05-23-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CollegeSucks

Go after the host. That's the fastest way.

Yes, as I have stated I've already sent a DMCA notice to the host (WebAir) and as you can see his hosting is still working just fine.

fireorange · 05-23-2005, 06:49 PM

Does Mensniche allow using other sponsor's content to promote their program?

fireorange · 05-23-2005, 06:50 PM

Oh look he has removed the watermarks.

Violetta · 05-23-2005, 06:51 PM

bump for this...

Jake · 05-23-2005, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireorange

Does Mensniche allow using other sponsor's content to promote their program?

I certainly wouldn't have thought so however they have been notifed of this issue. I ICQ'd Andy on Saturday morning and I personally spoke to him early yesterday morning and assumed that would have been the end of it however as you can see the links from the gallery are still going to MensNiche. I hate to call out another program like that but their handling of this situation has been irresponsible at best!

Odie · 05-23-2005, 07:25 PM

oh wow sorry to hear that Jake and Allie! Sponsors need to stick together and help eachother out. I'm sure if you got in contact w/ webair, Mike would be more than happy to help you out!

Jimmie · 05-23-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake

I certainly wouldn't have thought so however they have been notifed of this issue. I ICQ'd Andy on Saturday morning and I personally spoke to him early yesterday morning and assumed that would have been the end of it however as you can see the links from the gallery are still going to MensNiche. I hate to call out another program like that but their handling of this situation has been irresponsible at best!

how can they terminate the link, to where when its clicked, it doesnt go to them? sure they can delete the guys acct, is it possible to make the link invalid? If there is, then I concur and they need to stop it all together.

the guys at MN are top notch guys, they wouldnt stoop to a level this low.

College Downtime · 05-23-2005, 07:29 PM

bump again

the Shemp · 05-23-2005, 07:31 PM

Jake, i dont think he has a submit account with us, but i blacklisted him anyway...

KMR Stitch · 05-23-2005, 07:33 PM

Thats pretty shitty

Jake · 05-23-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmie

how can they terminate the link, to where when its clicked, it doesnt go to them? sure they can delete the guys acct, is it possible to make the link invalid? If there is, then I concur and they need to stop it all together.

the guys at MN are top notch guys, they wouldnt stoop to a level this low.

I'm talking about the link in the gallery itself! They can easily redirect/terminate that link so that neither they nor their affiliate profit from the use of our content. I gaurantee you that if they were to freeze the link that the affiliate would have instantly removed the content.

Ask yourself this? The affiliate in question has known about the this issue for three days and knows that I've been in contact with MensNiche. If that affiliate was the least bit concerned that his account with MensNiche was in jeopardy don't you think he would have immediately removed the content?

Based on the way he was taunting me on ICQ today, this guy KNOWS that nothing is going to happen to his account with MensNiche!

Jake · 05-23-2005, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp

Jake, i dont think he has a submit account with us, but i blacklisted him anyway...

Thank You Shemp! I hope that other TGP owners will follow your example!

Jake · 05-23-2005, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Odie

oh wow sorry to hear that Jake and Allie! Sponsors need to stick together and help eachother out. I'm sure if you got in contact w/ webair, Mike would be more than happy to help you out!

I actually sent an ICQ authorization request to Mike earlier today but I haven't heard anything from him.

Kenny B! · 05-23-2005, 08:30 PM

Sucks when this happens Jake, go get em!... that's why I'm glad I'm not hot like Allie, I don't have to worry about these things:-)

The Adult Broker · 05-23-2005, 08:44 PM

Hey Jake, so sorry to hear this is happening.

Here is a bump and I am also forwarding this thread to Webair Mike on icq! Hope it all works out hon.

AdPatron · 05-23-2005, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

Yes, as I have stated I've already sent a DMCA notice to the host (WebAir) and as you can see his hosting is still working just fine.

You're not going after them enough.

Jake · 05-23-2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Adult Broker

Hey Jake, so sorry to hear this is happening.

Here is a bump and I am also forwarding this thread to Webair Mike on icq! Hope it all works out hon.

Thanks Lori, I would like to hear from Mike. Hopefully he will be able to help us out on this issue!

broke · 05-23-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake

Yes, as I have stated I've already sent a DMCA notice to the host (WebAir) and as you can see his hosting is still working just fine.

Webair's not all over this thread...

You should have put the words "quote", "hosting", and "dedicated" somewhere in your original post. Hope things work out for you. URL is banned.

Snake Doctor · 05-23-2005, 09:11 PM

Mensniche should cancel his account and pay any monies owed him to Jake and Allie.

That's what I would do.

I'm sure it's in the TOS that copyright infringement is grounds for immediate termination of your account and forfeiture of all monies owed.

Tempest · 05-23-2005, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fireorange

Oh look he has removed the watermarks.

Funny isn't it... I saw something recently, maybe a post on here.. saying they had a service for removing watermarks etc. and that would make it legal to use the pics.. Yes.. you heard me.. amazing isn't it...

Banned..

pornguy · 05-23-2005, 09:12 PM

Jake. It sounds to me like the connection with Mensniche could go a little deeper than just an aff to a program.

Jake · 05-23-2005, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Funny isn't it... I saw something recently, maybe a post on here.. saying they had a service for removing watermarks etc. and that would make it legal to use the pics.. Yes.. you heard me.. amazing isn't it...

Banned..

Sometimes it really amazes me that people think it's perfectly acceptable to pull this shit!

Jake · 05-23-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

Thats pretty shitty

You said it!

bret · 05-23-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Jake. It sounds to me like the connection with Mensniche could go a little deeper than just an aff to a program.

i HIGHLY doubt that.

Jake,
Good luck man, ice skating up hill isnt fun... as long as he pays his bills, webair will look the other way as much as they can...

Snake Doctor · 05-23-2005, 10:32 PM

If you did the DMCA notice properly isn't the webhost required by law to remove the content within a certain time frame?

Jake · 05-24-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

If you did the DMCA notice properly isn't the webhost required by law to remove the content within a certain time frame?

".....within a certain time frame?" And that's the flaw with the DMCA when applied to TGP galleries. Here's how it works: The content thief submits his galleries to his TGP submission list, maybe the content owner gets lucky and one of the TGP owners recognizes the content as being stolen and reports that to the content owner (at this point at least a day or 2 has passed). Now the content owner makes attempts to contact the thief and request removal of the content. When the thief doesn't comply (more time has passed) the content owner files a DMCA notice with the host, sponsor, registrar, etc. Now they have time to respond to it (assuming the respond at all). By the time all these things have taken place the galleries have fallen off of the "higher traffic" pages and have been archived and are getting very little traffic so the thief then happily complies with the removal request from the host, sponsor, registrar, etc because they are no longer profiting from the gallery.

There are no negative consequences for the thief, that?s the problem! Assuming they are even caught in the act, the worst case scenario is that they are made to remove the content after it has stopped generating revenue for them.

Doc911 · 05-24-2005, 08:42 AM

I agree it sucks. But to say they don't make money off of archived gallerys is bogus. I try to leave mine up forever. they all still generate money after they fall off lists.

You should sue his ass off.

Snake Doctor · 05-24-2005, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

".....within a certain time frame?" And that's the flaw with the DMCA when applied to TGP galleries. Here's how it works: The content thief submits his galleries to his TGP submission list, maybe the content owner gets lucky and one of the TGP owners recognizes the content as being stolen and reports that to the content owner (at this point at least a day or 2 has passed). Now the content owner makes attempts to contact the thief and request removal of the content. When the thief doesn't comply (more time has passed) the content owner files a DMCA notice with the host, sponsor, registrar, etc. Now they have time to respond to it (assuming the respond at all). By the time all these things have taken place the galleries have fallen off of the "higher traffic" pages and have been archived and are getting very little traffic so the thief then happily complies with the removal request from the host, sponsor, registrar, etc because they are no longer profiting from the gallery.

There are no negative consequences for the thief, that?s the problem! Assuming they are even caught in the act, the worst case scenario is that they are made to remove the content after it has stopped generating revenue for them.

If your images are copyrighted you can seek damages in court.

Of course I don't know how effective that would be if he's in another country.

TheSenator · 05-24-2005, 08:45 AM

bump....

blacklisted the fuck head....

Jake · 05-24-2005, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc911

I agree it sucks. But to say they don't make money off of archived gallerys is bogus. I try to leave mine up forever. they all still generate money after they fall off lists.

You should sue his ass off.

Yes of course we all generate revenue from archived galleries however the majority of the revenue generated from a given gallery is generated in the first week of listing.

Jake · 05-24-2005, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator

bump....

blacklisted the fuck head....

Thanks!

webair · 05-24-2005, 10:52 AM

Sorry for the delay been out of the office AFK on it now

webair · 05-24-2005, 10:52 AM

its down now =)

Basic_man · 05-24-2005, 10:54 AM

I hope the fucker don't make money from your content

Jake · 05-24-2005, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by webair

its down now =)

Thank You

Darren · 05-24-2005, 03:59 PM

MensNiche dealt with this on the same day you told us about it, we froze the account and processing of any transactions.

Jake · 05-24-2005, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darren

MensNiche dealt with this on the same day you told us about it, we froze the account and processing of any transactions.

Darren, I'm asking you very politely not to come on here and lie about the way MensNiche handled this situation. I've wasted far too much of my time on this bullshit with Andy already. You're not in a position to push me on this issue. If you insist on claiming that you handled this appropriately I can not only post the ICQ conversations I had with Andy I can also point to other sponsors have had their content stolen and used for the promotion of your products!

Kenny B! · 05-24-2005, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

Darren, I'm asking you very politely not to come on here and lie about the way MensNiche handled this situation. I've wasted far too much of my time on this bullshit with Andy already. You're not in a position to push me on this issue. If you insist on claiming that you handled this appropriately I can not only post the ICQ conversations I had with Andy I can also point to other sponsors have had their content stolen and used for the promotion of your products!

"This thread keeps getting more and more interesting... I'm not going anywhere tonight so bring it Jake, lets see hear some details"

tranza · 05-24-2005, 07:34 PM

It's down now.

Jake · 05-24-2005, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

"This thread keeps getting more and more interesting... I'm not going anywhere tonight so bring it Jake, lets see hear some details"

Sorry Kenny, I'm done with this unless someone from MensNiche decides to push the issue and continues to claim they handled the situation appropriately. They know they were in the wrong from the very begining and for Darren to come here and post what he did was just an additional slap in the face!

Allison · 05-24-2005, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

It's down now.

Yeah, that's good news. I hope it all works out, issues like this remind us all that business is business, but making decisions using business ethnics is the smartest move for developing a solid and long term quality reputation.

~Alli

Jimmie · 05-24-2005, 07:53 PM

MN is a stand up company. Hopefully was a misunderstanding here. Since you and Andy are the only 2 who know what was said, the rest of us are in the dark.

SleazyDream · 05-25-2005, 01:05 AM

send a copy off to copy off to cybercat and GTS - they both love you - and that will pretty much end the idiot in the business.

05-23-2005, 06:37 PM	#1
Jake Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CO, US Posts: 3,056	ATTN: TGP Owners - Can I Get A Little Help? If you haven't seen THIS THREAD here's the deal. This guy submitted A GALLERY PROMOTING MENSNICHE using CONTENT STOLEN FROM NAUGHTY ALLIE. As early as Saturday morning I began contacting the sponsor, the affiliate/webmaster and filing DMCA notices with the hosting company (WebAir) and the registrar (GoDaddy). As you can see it's been 3 days and the content is still up and the links to the sponsors still work. During an ICQ conversation with the "webmaster" who stole the content he stated to me: "I've told you allready, that I haven't stolen anythink..." Since the guy is in either Germany or Afganistan (depending on which contact info you believe) he seems to think he's untouchable. All I'm asking is that you send a message to this guy and others like him and ban him from submitting galleries to your TGP. You can also CHECK HERE to see if this particular gallery has been submitted to your TGP. If he doesn't have a problem with using stolen content for his galleries I'm quite sure he doesn't have a problem with CHEATING TGPS EITHER! Allie and I would both greatly appreciate your cooperation in this matter. __________________

05-23-2005, 06:51 PM	#7
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05-23-2005, 07:25 PM	#9
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05-23-2005, 07:29 PM	#11
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05-23-2005, 07:31 PM	#12
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05-23-2005, 06:42 PM	#2
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05-23-2005, 06:43 PM	#3
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05-23-2005, 06:49 PM	#5
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05-23-2005, 06:50 PM	#6
fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	Oh look he has removed the watermarks.

05-23-2005, 07:33 PM	#13
KMR Stitch I am cool Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14,494	Thats pretty shitty

05-23-2005, 08:30 PM	#17
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05-23-2005, 09:11 PM	#22
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05-23-2005, 10:32 PM	#28
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05-24-2005, 08:42 AM	#30
Doc911 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: If i was up your ass you'd know Posts: 3,695	I agree it sucks. But to say they don't make money off of archived gallerys is bogus. I try to leave mine up forever. they all still generate money after they fall off lists. You should sue his ass off. __________________ For PHP/MySQL scripts ICQ 161480555 or email [email protected]

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05-24-2005, 03:59 PM	#39
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05-24-2005, 07:34 PM	#42
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05-24-2005, 07:53 PM	#45
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05-25-2005, 01:05 AM	#46
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