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gangbangjoe · 05-25-2005, 10:07 AM

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NickPapageorgio · 05-25-2005, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

Uh, dude... I'm overweight.

BUT I don't blame it on some "disease". That is a fucking lie. I blame it on myself: sitting at a computer, eating foods that aren't entirely healthy, and not getting enough excercise.

Call it what it is. No need to make excuses. I'm simply.... fat.

That wasn't directed at you as far as the skinny part...I have seen pictures.

It was more directed at the "holier than thou" people that always seem to slink their skinny asses into a thread about people who are overweight and add their useless 2 cents that don't apply in the real world.

Atleast, like me, you've realized what the problem is and hopefully taken steps to remedy it.

MetaMan · 05-25-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

I know, i'm here doing it. Let me ask you a question, have you ever been overweight and then taken the steps to lose the weight? Or were you speaking from a thin persons perspective on what they think it's like to be fat?

i used to be realllly skinny when i was younger because of all the sports i used to play, but of course with the hours that you have to put in this industry sports kind of took a side note.

im 6'3 240-245 so i am overweight, but not by a whole lot.

my father is also WAY overweight over 300 pounds, he was also raised to eat alot (Ukrainian household) constant fatty foods, constant eating.

but seeing the way he eats and the amount of Pepsi he drank i can understand why.

he will never say its a disease, he just enjoys food.

i am also not making fun at overweight people, i just feel that even if you are trained a certain way your entire life you reach a point where you should tell yourself "i need a change".

NickPapageorgio · 05-25-2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

You know? There have been so many times when I had wished that I did eat crap food or ate fast food everyday so I could just eat decent food and have the weight drop off like I have seen it do for those who make those small changes.

I probably eat better than most 'thin' people here. I am not speaking for anyone but myself but then that is all anyone can honestly do.

The only way I have lost the weight is by severely cutting my calorie/carb intake and exercise. But, I wasn't ready to make that change until I told myself that I wasn't going to be fat anymore. I got pissed off with myself about it. I was taking in probably close to 3500 calories a day and over 150 carbs but now am around 800 calories a day and about 35 carbs. Plus I ride my bike about 20 miles a week and play basketball and shit with my son. It's making a huge difference BUT it wasn't until I changed my mindset that it could be done and it hasn't been easy. That's why I said that "no it's not a disease but you have to treat it like one". When I am in a restaurant and see someone else with a big baked potato or something, I have to remind myself that if I eat that, it's like poisoning myself. I will add to my "disease" if I eat that. That's all I was saying.

bubblestpb · 05-25-2005, 07:50 PM

Hi there everyone, Carnonymous (the guy with the site) here. I am amazed to see that this actually spawned a serious discussion of obesity, I am glad it seems many of you got the joke though.

By the way I agree "blogging" is f'ing horrible, that's why I have a website not a blog. Bloggers write about making a sammich and what movie they rented at Blockbuster. I write brilliant, hard hitting, and thought provoking rants.

Babagirls · 05-25-2005, 07:55 PM

its a mental disease, not a physcial disease.
yes, fat people are to blame themselves for picking up the forks & spoons full of shitty foods on them, but its what makes them THINK that by eating those foods and the amounts of those foods that is the *disease*.

a disease is when someone has a problem that they are not willing to confront & over-come. thats why you always hear people say "Admitting the problem is the first step.."

it truly is.

Mrs. Lenny2 · 05-25-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Lenny2

I agree that a lot of obese people make excuses and call obesity a disease; however, there are diseases that contribute to obesity, such as Polycistic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS). With the onset of menstruation, rather than the female body using stored fat for energy, it pumps out more insulin, thus holding onto the fat. I was an active child whose parents cooked healthy meals. Had I been diagnosed with PCOS at a young age, I would have been properly medicated and would not have had to deal with the ridicule from my peers (and adults).

I hope this information helps people better understand the plight of some overweight people.

Based on the comments I continue to read on this topic, I take it that no one really read this post.

Except for sara_webinc, of course.

Sarah_Jayne · 05-25-2005, 08:14 PM

Mrs Lenny..they don't post threads like this to read real responses.

Mrs. Lenny2 · 05-25-2005, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

Mrs Lenny..they don't post threads like this to read real responses.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Where was my head?

Pleasurepays · 05-25-2005, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

You know? There have been so many times when I had wished that I did eat crap food or ate fast food everyday so I could just eat decent food and have the weight drop off like I have seen it do for those who make those small changes.

I probably eat better than most 'thin' people here. I am not speaking for anyone but myself but then that is all anyone can honestly do.

I am in the gym 5 days a week and your story is just like 95% of every other person with a weight problem. you need to understand good diet, basic physiology and nutrition to lose weight. there are more things to do wrong, than right. and that is the core problem and why so many people can't lose weight or have no success or... lose weight, then gain it back.

your body does not want to lose fat (as with everyone) and it has found its own point of equalibrium based on your diet and physical activity. you think you are eating well but you are still getting roughly the same calories from what you think are good foods as you are from what you think are bad foods. its a simple question of calories in vs. calories expended. go to bodybuilding.com or musclemagazine.com or any body building forum if you to learn about diet and what level of dedication it takes to change your body. its not easy. its not easy for anyone.

losing weight is not easy for almost everyone. it takes hard work and dedication and patience. more importantly, it takes time, experimentation, a good understanding of nutrition and the discipline to eat according to plan - not according to craving.

in reality, there are very few physiological reasons for obesity not caused by diet. unless you are diagnosed with a medical condition, the assumption for blame should be on yourself. for example, thyroid problems happen in something like 1:1,000,000 people for example... yet i hear a lot more than 1:1,000,000 obese people suggest they have a thyroid problem.

AmeliaG · 05-25-2005, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Lenny2

Based on the comments I continue to read on this topic, I take it that no one really read this post.

Except for sara_webinc, of course.

[raises hand] I read it too.

Mrs. Lenny2 · 05-25-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

[raises hand] I read it too.

Well, it's good to know that more than one person read it. Thanks!

Mrs. Lenny2 · 05-25-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

in reality, there are very few physiological reasons for obesity not caused by diet. unless you are diagnosed with a medical condition, the assumption for blame should be on yourself. for example, thyroid problems happen in something like 1:1,000,000 people for example... yet i hear a lot more than 1:1,000,000 obese people suggest they have a thyroid problem.

Please read my earlier posting about PCOS. Contrary to what you may believe, there are quite a few diseases/disorders that contribute to obesity.

I'm curious to know where you're getting your statistics on thyroid problems. Here are true statistics.

What are the symptoms of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis?

The common symptoms are fatigue, depression, and sensitivity to cold, weight gain, muscle weakness, coarsening of the skin, dry or brittle hair, constipation, muscle cramps, increased menstrual flow, and goiter (enlargement of the thyroid gland).

Prevalence and incidence statistics for Hashimoto's Thyroiditis: (see also prevalence and incidence page for Hashimoto's Thyroiditis)
Prevalance of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis: 1,490,371 adults and 205,159 children in the USA 1996 1
Prevalance Rate: approx 1 in 182 or 0.55% or 1.5 million people in USA
Prevelance statistics about Hashimoto's Thyroiditis: The following statistics relate to the prevalence of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis:

* 5 times more common in women than men in the US (Academy of Family Physicians, 2004)

Footnotes:
1. Rose and Mackay, 1998, The Autoimmune Diseases, Third Edition

Sly · 05-25-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

See, the part that you don't understand about eating disorders is that alot of the eating habits have been engrained into your mind since you were a baby. I grew up believing that Captain Crunch was ok for me. Shit it says right on there, "A great source of 9 essential vitamins and minerals". Now I read the box and say, "Holy shit look at the sugar and carbs in this crap" My mom made greasy bacon and eggs every damn morning just about for us. We had fried this and fried that. We ate at McDonald's atleast once a week. That's something that I grew up doing and considered it to be ok. It's not easy to re train your mind and body to accept a different pattern of eating or anything for that matter. I know, i'm here doing it. Let me ask you a question, have you ever been overweight and then taken the steps to lose the weight? Or were you speaking from a thin persons perspective on what they think it's like to be fat?

I hope you're only feeding your kids good food, or at least better food.

Its funny, now that I'm older I understand why my parents had some of the rules they did. We did have sugar cereal sometimes, but we also had the good cereal, and we definitely didn't add sugar. We never ate out, mainly due to money issues, but it was still a good choice. We could have a soda once in a while, otherwise we had to split one, this was considered a treat. We never had desert, the meal itself was always filling enough. If we wanted a snack, it was half a sandwich or maybe an apple... we never had junk food in the house, my dad wouldn't buy it because he knew he would end up eating it all. We had milk with our meals, not soda. If we were thirsty, we turned on the faucet.

I was always bummed as a kid because my friends had soda whenever they wanted, they ate out at McDonald's, they added sugar to their already sugary cereal, and damn that sounded so delicious. But now when I sit back and compare myself with friends and others, I NEVER get sick, I have only one health problem (that is a different issue altogether), I'm generally pretty happy... guess my parents knew something!

Sarah_Jayne · 05-25-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

I am in the gym 5 days a week and your story is just like 95% of every other person with a weight problem. you need to understand good diet, basic physiology and nutrition to lose weight. there are more things to do wrong, than right. and that is the core problem and why so many people can't lose weight or have no success or... lose weight, then gain it back.

your body does not want to lose fat (as with everyone) and it has found its own point of equalibrium based on your diet and physical activity. you think you are eating well but you are still getting roughly the same calories from what you think are good foods as you are from what you think are bad foods. its a simple question of calories in vs. calories expended. go to bodybuilding.com or musclemagazine.com or any body building forum if you to learn about diet and what level of dedication it takes to change your body. its not easy. its not easy for anyone.

losing weight is not easy for almost everyone. it takes hard work and dedication and patience. more importantly, it takes time, experimentation, a good understanding of nutrition and the discipline to eat according to plan - not according to craving.

in reality, there are very few physiological reasons for obesity not caused by diet. unless you are diagnosed with a medical condition, the assumption for blame should be on yourself. for example, thyroid problems happen in something like 1:1,000,000 people for example... yet i hear a lot more than 1:1,000,000 obese people suggest they have a thyroid problem.

well, as stated before hand..I do have a medical condition. It is hard to stress how much it takes just to stay at this level of fat without being even more fat. Two people in the same thread, have the same condition..we are not making it up.

Pleasurepays · 05-25-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

well, as stated before hand..I do have a medical condition. It is hard to stress how much it takes just to stay at this level of fat without being even more fat. Two people in the same thread, have the same condition..we are not making it up.

i sympathize with you. i have no medical condition and its something i have fought with all my life. i was raised on fried chicken, gravy, ice cream etc etc. it is harder than hell for me to eat well. i am 34 and after more than a decade of ups and downs, i finally decided to create a diet plan and exercise plan for myself and stick to it. it is not easy. in fact, it plain sucks. i was smart and married a vegetarian also

i dont think you are making up a medical condition. but i think everyone has to understand that weight gain does not happen in a vacuum either. a medical condition that might "contribute to weight gain" does not mean "condemned to obesity". for example, you cannot consume 1400 calories a day and expend 1400 calories a day and gain weight. you can't need 1400 calories a day, consume 1400 calories a day and walk 5 miles to burn 400 and not lose weight. depending on your diet and the intensity... something has to be burned for energy. first it will be stored sugars, then either muscle or fat.

i understand it is incredibly difficult to burn off fat... but you can do it. its not going to be easy and as you know, it's just a nightmare for some people. but thats life.

i can't sing and dance either. i would not use that as an excuse. if i had too do it, i would just have to recognize and accept at the outset that i have to work two times harder than everyone around me to be good at it. life is unfair. i personally believe it is equally unfair for all of us (physics demands this) even though we each often feel its not.

dirtyone · 05-25-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

No.

If you know who you dad is maybe you could go ask him if he agrees with you.

BoogieCFZ · 05-25-2005, 09:33 PM

Ok look, i'll explain this pretty simply.

Lets imagine that we have 100 cars and each day we put in 1 gallon of gas in them.

Now some cares can get 20 MPG some will get 40MPG. But each day we're going to drive that car til its empty.

Now that's what the amish do. They eat their fill and then work their fill. If everyone worked as much as the amish do everyone's tanks would be empty at the end of the day.

Now, lets imagine instead we decide to drive each car only 25 miles a day (or until they run out of fuel). Now most cars are going to stay empty all the time, but some are going to eventually have their tanks overflow.

That's the society we live in. We dont have to work to our extremes. Hell some of us dont have to work at all. But we're still putting in that same fuel.

People who have better mileage or metabolism or whatever you call it are going to have problems with fatness (Their tanks overflowing).

So for those people with high mileage its much easier to get fat

That's the genetic role of obesity for you. These people have to work a little harder to burn off the fat they get from the same amount of fuel as everyone else does.

Its scientific, its true, its a fact.

Now whether or not that qualifies it as a disease I dont think so.

And there are many, many people who are obese because they not only put in the regular amount of fuel each day they put in much more. They see all their skinny friends 'eat normal' diets of 3000 or 4000 calories without gaining a pound and think "well that's what I'm supposed to eat".

and then there are plenty more that dont care.

And this is coming from probably the fattest guy any of you'd meet. I eat way too goddamned much all the time. I'm fatter than shit because of it.

BoogieCFZ · 05-25-2005, 09:35 PM

And I've lost a sick amount of weight in the past year for those that care.

How?

I learned to think of food exactly as I did above. I get a lot of mileage out of my food. Its fuel. How much fuel am I going to need today? If i'm not being very active I try not to eat a lot of calories.

Couldnt be simpler. IF you want to eat like shit then you better have a day chock full of exercise and activity.

baddog · 05-25-2005, 09:35 PM

3 words for anyone that wants to lose weight: Eat It Raw

It really works

BoogieCFZ · 05-25-2005, 09:42 PM

One last thing on this topic before I go on.

Alcoholism, Addiction to Drugs, obesity...

All of these are diseases by this definition of the term:

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A disease is any abnormal condition of the body or mind that causes discomfort, dysfunction, or distress to the person affected or those in contact with the person. Sometimes the term is used broadly to include injuries, disabilities, syndromes, symptoms, deviant behaviors, and atypical variations of structure and function, while in other contexts these may be considered distinguishable categories.

Eating until you're 300 pounds is deviant behavior that disables you in some respects, is an abnormal condition, and causes discomfort.

Same with alcoholism.

So having it defined as a disease is a right thing to do, especially since being over 100 pounds overweight KILLS YOU SLOWLY.

Defining it as a disease so people could get help to fight it when they realize its killing them is a great thing to do

Furious_Female · 05-25-2005, 09:45 PM

Disease? Maybe, maybe not. Genetics? Of course. Mental, definitely... same as anorexia, bulemia, and all other addict behaviors.

I also love how people think that fast food or junk food is the only cause of obesity. There are millions of overweight people who hardly ever eat out or eat junk food. Most people gain weight simply from having a higher caloric intake than their metabolism can burn off. You CAN get fat eating apples, bananas, lettuce, and carrots everyday, if you eat too much and don't exercise/move enough. Healthy doesn't mean anything if you eat too much of it. Some people say "Oh I eat healthy." Yeah, well just because it's healthy doesn't mean eating it will make you thinner.

Anyway, people who are overweight KNOW that it's not a disease and some like to sugarcoat it with the label. But who cares? You think telling someone they are fat is going to help them? Some people are emotional eaters, some people just enjoy food, some people have lifestyles that contribute to their bad eating habits. Bottom line is, live and let live. People are people... all shapes, sizes, and colors. I don't think anybody has the right to attack what someone looks like or even judge their habits/addictions... what someone looks like shouldn't have any bearing on who they are as a person.

baddog · 05-25-2005, 09:49 PM

since some people have obviously (judging by how my ICQ lit up) misinterpreted my comment above, I was referring to the raw food diet.

It sucks, and it is a lifestyle change, but it does work.

BoogieCFZ · 05-25-2005, 09:50 PM

here is a diet plan. Eat Me Raw

/jk :p

reynold · 05-25-2005, 10:02 PM

Glad I've maintained my figure like when I was still sprinter in High School..

CDSmith · 05-25-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

3 words for anyone that wants to lose weight: Eat It Raw

It really works

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05-25-2005, 09:33 PM	#68
BoogieCFZ Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: HELP I AM TRAPPED INSIDE A CHICKEN COOP Posts: 341	Ok look, i'll explain this pretty simply. Lets imagine that we have 100 cars and each day we put in 1 gallon of gas in them. Now some cares can get 20 MPG some will get 40MPG. But each day we're going to drive that car til its empty. Now that's what the amish do. They eat their fill and then work their fill. If everyone worked as much as the amish do everyone's tanks would be empty at the end of the day. Now, lets imagine instead we decide to drive each car only 25 miles a day (or until they run out of fuel). Now most cars are going to stay empty all the time, but some are going to eventually have their tanks overflow. That's the society we live in. We dont have to work to our extremes. Hell some of us dont have to work at all. But we're still putting in that same fuel. People who have better mileage or metabolism or whatever you call it are going to have problems with fatness (Their tanks overflowing). So for those people with high mileage its much easier to get fat That's the genetic role of obesity for you. These people have to work a little harder to burn off the fat they get from the same amount of fuel as everyone else does. Its scientific, its true, its a fact. Now whether or not that qualifies it as a disease I dont think so. And there are many, many people who are obese because they not only put in the regular amount of fuel each day they put in much more. They see all their skinny friends 'eat normal' diets of 3000 or 4000 calories without gaining a pound and think "well that's what I'm supposed to eat". and then there are plenty more that dont care. And this is coming from probably the fattest guy any of you'd meet. I eat way too goddamned much all the time. I'm fatter than shit because of it. __________________ I have a Porn Blog that's actually fun to read. Like it? Link To It.

05-25-2005, 09:35 PM	#69
BoogieCFZ Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: HELP I AM TRAPPED INSIDE A CHICKEN COOP Posts: 341	And I've lost a sick amount of weight in the past year for those that care. How? I learned to think of food exactly as I did above. I get a lot of mileage out of my food. Its fuel. How much fuel am I going to need today? If i'm not being very active I try not to eat a lot of calories. Couldnt be simpler. IF you want to eat like shit then you better have a day chock full of exercise and activity. __________________ I have a Porn Blog that's actually fun to read. Like it? Link To It.

05-25-2005, 09:45 PM	#72
Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	Disease? Maybe, maybe not. Genetics? Of course. Mental, definitely... same as anorexia, bulemia, and all other addict behaviors. I also love how people think that fast food or junk food is the only cause of obesity. There are millions of overweight people who hardly ever eat out or eat junk food. Most people gain weight simply from having a higher caloric intake than their metabolism can burn off. You CAN get fat eating apples, bananas, lettuce, and carrots everyday, if you eat too much and don't exercise/move enough. Healthy doesn't mean anything if you eat too much of it. Some people say "Oh I eat healthy." Yeah, well just because it's healthy doesn't mean eating it will make you thinner. Anyway, people who are overweight KNOW that it's not a disease and some like to sugarcoat it with the label. But who cares? You think telling someone they are fat is going to help them? Some people are emotional eaters, some people just enjoy food, some people have lifestyles that contribute to their bad eating habits. Bottom line is, live and let live. People are people... all shapes, sizes, and colors. I don't think anybody has the right to attack what someone looks like or even judge their habits/addictions... what someone looks like shouldn't have any bearing on who they are as a person. __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

05-25-2005, 07:50 PM	#55
bubblestpb Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7	Hi there everyone, Carnonymous (the guy with the site) here. I am amazed to see that this actually spawned a serious discussion of obesity, I am glad it seems many of you got the joke though. By the way I agree "blogging" is f'ing horrible, that's why I have a website not a blog. Bloggers write about making a sammich and what movie they rented at Blockbuster. I write brilliant, hard hitting, and thought provoking rants.

05-25-2005, 08:14 PM	#58
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	Mrs Lenny..they don't post threads like this to read real responses.

05-25-2005, 09:35 PM	#70
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	3 words for anyone that wants to lose weight: Eat It Raw It really works

05-25-2005, 09:49 PM	#73
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	since some people have obviously (judging by how my ICQ lit up) misinterpreted my comment above, I was referring to the raw food diet. It sucks, and it is a lifestyle change, but it does work.

05-25-2005, 09:50 PM	#74
BoogieCFZ Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: HELP I AM TRAPPED INSIDE A CHICKEN COOP Posts: 341	here is a diet plan. Eat Me Raw /jk :p __________________ I have a Porn Blog that's actually fun to read. Like it? Link To It.

05-25-2005, 10:02 PM	#75
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	Glad I've maintained my figure like when I was still sprinter in High School..