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woj · 05-23-2005, 08:22 PM

50 Americans that disagree with Bush on "issues that matter"

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Also, I don't know how this became about social security, but since it did let me say this.

Social Security reform is a red herring.
The shortfall in social security is nothing compared to the shortfall we face in medicare/medicaid in the future.

The price of health care is going to bankrupt us long before anything else does, and since Bush doesn't have ANY sort of plan for health care he's using social security as a "diversion" of sorts. (I'm paraphrasing Bob Brinker, who I happen to agree with on this)

Sorry, Your wrong

Snake Doctor · 05-23-2005, 08:25 PM

Downtime you're so delusional I don't even know where to begin with you.

How about foreign policy?

You don't think the reason other nations at the UN didn't want to invade Iraq is because they didn't believe our intelligence reports saying they had WMD?

When we went to the UN that was our argument, it was nothing about freedom or democracy, it was that Saddam was a credible threat to our national security because he had WMD.

We were wrong, dead wrong, and they were right.
Yet you're still sitting here backing the president and bashing the UN when it should be the other way around.

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

There are a few people on this baord that could have cracked those voting machines.

Nobody actually beleives that happened.

If you really believe that the election was "stolen" due to voting machine tampering then this is what you should do?

Ask yourself if you really believe that.
Ask yourself who told you that was true.
Ask yourself what else those same people have told you.

You will wake up tomorrow with better sources of information about the wordl around you.

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Downtime you're so delusional I don't even know where to begin with you.

How about foreign policy?

You don't think the reason other nations at the UN didn't want to invade Iraq is because they didn't believe our intelligence reports saying they had WMD?

When we went to the UN that was our argument, it was nothing about freedom or democracy, it was that Saddam was a credible threat to our national security because he had WMD.

We were wrong, dead wrong, and they were right.
Yet you're still sitting here backing the president and bashing the UN when it should be the other way around.

well, it kind of turned out that alot of high ranking members of the UN had a conflict of interest regarding Iraq

Snake Doctor · 05-23-2005, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

Sorry, Your wrong

cambaby · 05-23-2005, 08:33 PM

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Illeterate is not a noun

Snake Doctor · 05-23-2005, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

well, it kind of turned out that alot of high ranking members of the UN had a conflict of interest regarding Iraq

Yeah and it kind of turned out that we were dead wrong about WMD and that most of Bush's top advisors wanted to invade Iraq way before 9-11 ever happened.

Funny how you can ignore that MONUMENTAL FACT and concentrate on the French's Iraqi oil contracts.

Snake Doctor · 05-23-2005, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

Illeterate is not a noun

Especially when you misspell it.

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 08:40 PM

I'm having a political discussion with a bunch of people claim to be democrats and dont even realize they are agreeing with someone's communists beliefs and then they want to correct my grammer.

directfiesta · 05-23-2005, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

well, it kind of turned out that alot of high ranking members of the UN had a conflict of interest regarding Iraq

name a few ...

directfiesta · 05-23-2005, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

as usual, an intelligent post .... change pic, it is boring ....

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Especially when you misspell it.

Its pretty bad when you decided to correct my grammer with a premade sign, that is gramatically incorrect

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

name a few ...

koffi678

Mr.Fiction · 05-23-2005, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

I'm having a political discussion with a bunch of people claim to be democrats and dont even realize they are agreeing with someone's communists beliefs and then they want to correct my grammer.

You are not having a discussion with anyone. You are copying and pasting propaganda.

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

You are not having a discussion with anyone. You are copying and pasting propaganda.

bet you didn't know you weren't a democrat

next

Mrs. Lenny2 · 05-23-2005, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

Illeterate is not a noun

il·lit·er·ate Audio pronunciation of "illiterate" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ltr-t)
adj.

1.
1. Unable to read and write.
2. Having little or no formal education.
2.
1. Marked by inferiority to an expected standard of familiarity with language and literature.
2. Violating prescribed standards of speech or writing.
3. Ignorant of the fundamentals of a given art or branch of knowledge: musically illiterate. See Usage Note at literate.

[Middle English, from Latin illtertus : in-, not; see in-1 + ltertus, literate; see literate.]
il·liter·ate n.
il·liter·ate·ly adv.
il·liter·ate·ness n.

theking · 05-23-2005, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

Ok, I'll bite and read this one of Pathfinder's posts since I directed a comment at him. Only fair.

Oh wow, look how owned I am, I lied about... wait, it was quoted by GatorB, and that's where I read it. What a shock, you're to drunk/stupid to read. Post number 33 asshole, try to keep up with the rest of the class.

It's almost as if Pathfinder tries to sound like a moron every time he posts. Thank God for the ignore list.

Hmm...you are correct...this could be the first time that you have ever been correct...Richy boy...at the least I am writing down the date. I also will cross off of the list of lies made by you...one lie...that is only fair now isn't it...Richy boy?

Mr.Fiction · 05-23-2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

you ever notice.... YOU'RE the only one that ever mentions Rush?

Sorry if I wasn't supposed to mention the name of your master.

With your GFY friends posting the word "communist" in every other post, I wouldn't be throwing stones.

When the right wing GFY sheep stop posting propaganda, I'll stop pointing it out.

Snake Doctor · 05-23-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

Its pretty bad when you decided to correct my grammer with a premade sign, that is gramatically incorrect

It's pretty bad that you speak of grammar yet misspell the words grammar and grammatically

Also, for the record, Illiterate can be used as a noun, however I don't know what an Illerate is.

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

It's pretty bad that you speak of grammar yet misspell the words grammar and grammatically

Also, for the record, Illiterate can be used as a noun, however I don't know what an Illerate is.

cool. I had a typing teacher in high school that was as good as correcting spelling and grammar as you are. I guess I never caught on

theking · 05-23-2005, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Yeah and it kind of turned out that we were dead wrong about WMD and that most of Bush's top advisors wanted to invade Iraq way before 9-11 ever happened.

Funny how you can ignore that MONUMENTAL FACT and concentrate on the French's Iraqi oil contracts.

The US Congress pre-empted President Bush and his advisors and President Clinton as well...being that it was during President Clintons term in office the Congress voted (with an overwhemling majority) for a resolution advocating the overthrow of Sadam and the Baath party.

The Truth Hurts · 05-23-2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Sorry if I wasn't supposed to mention the name of your master.

You're all hung up on him and seem to know his every move.. unless you're just guessing... in which case you're an even more sad little monkey than I initially assumed... yet he's *my* master?

I bet you top my total rush listening time (14 minutes per week during the drive to the right-wing catholic pre-school i've forced my daughter to attend), by 12:15 on monday.

Snake Doctor · 05-23-2005, 09:06 PM

Funforone, you can cut and paste all the propaganda you want, I'm still right and you're still wrong.

You can twist facts to support just about any argument if you try hard enough.

In the south there are plenty of people who make strong arguments for the Confederate government based on states rights.

The KKK uses the bible to justify their hatred of black people. (And their hatred of Jews, go figure)

Any reasonable person can look at the facts can come to their own conclusion.
The fact that you're not even willing to admit that Bush was wrong for invading Iraq, the fact that he lied to us, told us the war was about WMD's and then when he couldn't find the WMD's he changed the story to "we went to war to liberate Iraq" tells me all I need to know about you.

You're still arguing about the UN not going along with Bush and how that makes them wrong. Have you been living in a vacuum?
They were right, we were wrong, end of story.

uno · 05-23-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Lenny2

il·lit·er·ate Audio pronunciation of "illiterate" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ltr-t)
adj.

1.
1. Unable to read and write.
2. Having little or no formal education.
2.
1. Marked by inferiority to an expected standard of familiarity with language and literature.
2. Violating prescribed standards of speech or writing.
3. Ignorant of the fundamentals of a given art or branch of knowledge: musically illiterate. See Usage Note at literate.

[Middle English, from Latin illtertus : in-, not; see in-1 + ltertus, literate; see literate.]
il·liter·ate n.
il·liter·ate·ly adv.
il·liter·ate·ness n.

Damn you beat me to it. I'm not sure its worth the effort.

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Funforone, you can cut and paste all the propaganda you want, I'm still right and you're still wrong.

You can twist facts to support just about any argument if you try hard enough.

In the south there are plenty of people who make strong arguments for the Confederate government based on states rights.

The KKK uses the bible to justify their hatred of black people. (And their hatred of Jews, go figure)

Any reasonable person can look at the facts can come to their own conclusion.
The fact that you're not even willing to admit that Bush was wrong for invading Iraq, the fact that he lied to us, told us the war was about WMD's and then when he couldn't find the WMD's he changed the story to "we went to war to liberate Iraq" tells me all I need to know about you.

You're still arguing about the UN not going along with Bush and how that makes them wrong. Have you been living in a vacuum?
They were right, we were wrong, end of story.

we finished that arguement before the election. I didn't realize it was still going on

Downtime · 05-23-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

They were right, we were wrong, end of story.

Nope. Who won the last election? I could've sworn it was Bush, so the majority of the American public would agree with me; not you. Reality sucks, doesnt it?

clubchics · 05-23-2005, 09:10 PM

your countrys next ....

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 09:10 PM

I think they are mad at me pasting stuff because I pasted a long statment yesterday and they jumped all over it to tell me how stupid I was.

I pasted it again with the orignal author .. Hillary Clinton

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 09:12 PM

The funny thing is that most of the mental midgets call me brainwashed while agreeing with every statment from the communists recruiter on the board and then they go to bed at night thinking they are democrats.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

They actually dont understand their own political party, but want to tell me how to run mine.

rambler · 05-23-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Downtime

Nope. Who won the last election? I could've sworn it was Bush, so the majority of the American public would agree with me; not you. Reality sucks, doesnt it?

You hit the nail on the head "the majority of the American public agree with you"

....sure says a lot about the majority of the American public.

Snake Doctor · 05-23-2005, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Downtime

Nope. Who won the last election? I could've sworn it was Bush, so the majority of the American public would agree with me; not you. Reality sucks, doesnt it?

Just because he won an election doesn't mean the majority of people think he was right.

AND even if they did, having the majority of people agree with you doesn't make you right, it makes you popular.

We were still wrong, regardless of who voted for whom.

gideongallery · 05-23-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

To the best of my knowledge the President has yet to come up with a plan to cover the predicted shortfall...of funds that will become critical in forty years or so.

It is my understanding that privatizing a portion of SS...actually will remove two trillion dollars from SS and does zero...nada...to resolve the short fall of available funds...that will become critical in forty years or so and in fact the two trillion dollars removed from SS will increase the short fall problem.

There are only a hand full of ways to resolve the short fall of funds that will become critical in forty years or so and to the best of my knowledge the President has not offered up a plan with any real solutions to this problem...just as the Democrats have not at this point...but I do think that most Democrats are against privatization.

you really have to read the plan my friend the short falls comes about if you assume that you only get CD interest for the privately invested social security plan.

If you use a standard index like standards and poor then the the short fall gets pushed back to like 120 + years.

and if they do better than the average (more than 75% of the mutual funds out there) it solves the problem completely.

this is democrating number crunching like calling a 500 million dollar increase in funding a cut.

GatorB · 05-23-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Downtime

Nope. Who won the last election? I could've sworn it was Bush, so the majority of the American public would agree with me; not you. Reality sucks, doesnt it?

Adult webmasters for Bush would be like jews for Hitler.

gideongallery · 05-23-2005, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Yeah and it kind of turned out that we were dead wrong about WMD and that most of Bush's top advisors wanted to invade Iraq way before 9-11 ever happened.

Funny how you can ignore that MONUMENTAL FACT and concentrate on the French's Iraqi oil contracts.

first of all read the report before you speak, not just the bullet points put out by the democratic party.

The same report that claimed that they did not find any WMDs admitted that all that was necessary to turn the existing medical facilities into producers of biological WMD was a single cd of instructions and 1 inch vial of antrax.

how easy do you think that would be to sneak out of the country while the inspectors were searching WMDs (especially if you consider the roadblocks that sadamm thru up whenever they wanted to search any facility)

Just because they didn't find WMD after the war does not mean they never existed.

Do you really believe that Sadamm would have prevented inspectors from going where ever they wanted if he didn't have something to hide.

Even if you are right and he was the worlds stupidest leader preventing inspectors from doing their job when there was absolutely nothing to find, you should be able to realize that what the US will make every other leader to think twice when the UN inspectors want to search their country.

GatorB · 05-23-2005, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Everyone that hates Bush is a Democrat? So all people that hate the Green Bay Packers are Bears fans? All people that hate the Yankees are Red Sox fans? Um...no. Life doesn't work that way. Maybe to the idiots that drink the kool-aid of the Dems and Repubs. If there was a major vaible centrist 3rd party the repubs and dems would each lose at least 1/3 of their memberships. At least half the independants would join and many people who aren't registered to vote would. And it would be MUCH larger than either the dems or repub parties. Of course there isn't one because the dems and repubs purposely make it hard for another political party to become viable.

FunForOne · 05-23-2005, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Everyone that hates Bush is a Democrat? So all people that hate the Green Bay Packers are Bears fans? All people that hate the Yankees are Red Sox fans? Um...no. Life doesn't work that way. Maybe to the idiots that drink the kool-aid of the Dems and Repubs. If there was a major vaible centrist 3rd party the repubs and dems would each lose at least 1/3 of their memberships. At least half the independants would join and many people who aren't registered to vote would. And it would be MUCH larger than either the dems or repub parties. Of course there isn't one because the dems and repubs purposely make it hard for another political party to become viable.

We are not all democrats until its time to prove that the republicans only have a small majority?

You hit the nail on the head why I believe the democratic party is over. They opened their tent to everyone. They put core values on the back burner to practice the "enenmy of my enenimy is my friend" strategy.

How many democrats believe Michael Moore and George Sorros are fellow democrats? New FLASH for the keyboard warriors, they are not!

Moveon and michael moore were big players in the democratic party during the last election. The party allowed themselves to be controlled by people with beliefs that would embarass JFK.

I was worried they would figure that out and regroup after the last election. Sadly for them, it hasn't happened. Instead, it has gotten worse.

One reason the democrats lost the election is because they didn't define themselves. With socialists and communists holding the microphone and purse strings, they couldn't afford to.

The same players will continue to ruin the party in 08 and send the country a nominee that will perfrom worse than kerry. In 2012, the democratic party will come in third.

You want to be a communist or a socialists, you go right ahead, just quit using these impressionable kids by having them think they are democrats.

Tell them what comes after free healthcare and free education.

Free Jobs and free houses. - not the ones you want, just the ones you are given.

its inevitable, ehh comrade?

Mr.Fiction · 05-23-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

You're all hung up on him and seem to know his every move.. unless you're just guessing... in which case you're an even more sad little monkey than I initially assumed... yet he's *my* master?

I bet you top my total rush listening time (14 minutes per week during the drive to the right-wing catholic pre-school i've forced my daughter to attend), by 12:15 on monday.

At least you type out a post on your own sometimes.

I'm starting to miss the old GFY right wingers after reading the cut and paste stuff from the latest "everyone is a communist" bot.

I'm starting to wonder if that new one is just a left wing troll trying to make right wingers look bad?

GatorB · 05-23-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

You're all hung up on him and seem to know his every move.?

He's the President( sort of ) moron, of course everyone knows his every move.

Snake Doctor · 05-23-2005, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

you really have to read the plan my friend the short falls comes about if you assume that you only get CD interest for the privately invested social security plan.

If you use a standard index like standards and poor then the the short fall gets pushed back to like 120 + years.

and if they do better than the average (more than 75% of the mutual funds out there) it solves the problem completely.

this is democrating number crunching like calling a 500 million dollar increase in funding a cut.

How are you wrong? Oh let me count the ways.

75% of mutual funds beat the standard and poor's index??
That's total bullshit, over 90% of mutual funds can't beat the index consistently, that's why lots of people buy index funds.

Private accounts do NOTHING to fix the solvency problem in social security.
The money that comes in today in taxes goes out today in order to pay benefits.
Retirees who are currently receiving benefits paid into the system, but the money they paid in has been spent long ago for benefits for previous retirees.

Bush's "partial" privatization scheme will put us 4 TRILLION dollars in debt, in addition to all of the debt he's already responsible for.
That's TRILLION with a T. We would have to borrow that much in order to continue paying out benefits, since today's payroll taxes would be diverted into these "private accounts"

So basically privatization of social security is the equivalent of going to the bank, getting a loan, and then using the money from the loan to invest in the stock market, and hoping that you come out ahead in the end.
How many financial experts would tell you that's a sound thing to do?

gideongallery · 05-25-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

How are you wrong? Oh let me count the ways.

75% of mutual funds beat the standard and poor's index??
That's total bullshit, over 90% of mutual funds can't beat the index consistently, that's why lots of people buy index funds.

You know full well this is a bullshit deflection of the issue. Check your stats again over a 20 year average 75% of all mutual funds beat the standard and poor's index.
some times these funds under perform other times they over perform on average they over perform.

Common sense tells you what your saying is total crap.
If 90% consistantly under performed everyone would be moving retirement money into the standard and poor index and all the mutual fund companies would go out of business.

The fact is the number of mutual funds are growing.

If a fund manager has even 2 or 3 bad years in a row he gets canned and replaced with someone who is better. That is exactly why the mutual funds out perform the index.

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Private accounts do NOTHING to fix the solvency problem in social security.
The money that comes in today in taxes goes out today in order to pay benefits.
Retirees who are currently receiving benefits paid into the system, but the money they paid in has been spent long ago for benefits for previous retirees.

Wrong again payroll tax income goes into the general pool of tax revenue, it is not being issolated to payout retirement benefits. If it were there would be no problem because the while the baby boomers were working they would be paying into the system more that the retirees would be taking out of the system. It is only because the money is not issolated that we have a solvancy issue because when the baby boomers retire there will be more people retired taking money out of social security than there will be putting money in and there will be no surplus of revenue to draw from.

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Bush's "partial" privatization scheme will put us 4 TRILLION dollars in debt, in addition to all of the debt he's already responsible for.
That's TRILLION with a T. We would have to borrow that much in order to continue paying out benefits, since today's payroll taxes would be diverted into these "private accounts"

So basically privatization of social security is the equivalent of going to the bank, getting a loan, and then using the money from the loan to invest in the stock market, and hoping that you come out ahead in the end.
How many financial experts would tell you that's a sound thing to do?

"Partial" privatization is a way issolating 2.5 TRILLION dollars yes that TRILLION with a T of tax revenue that should be reserved for social security but irresponsibly redirected to other government buracarcies which waste tax payer money by paying government employees $20 /hour for jobs that could at minimum wage.

This government waste results in programs being underfunded by $1.2 billion even though the republicans increased funding for the program by $500 million ( 2x inflation).

Is it perfect no !!

A perfect solutions would have been to privative the accounts 25 years ago when the baby boomers first entered the job market instead of looking at a winfall of revenue to fund all the big government wasteful crap that has been supported of the last 25 years.

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Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Downtime you're so delusional I don't even know where to begin with you. How about foreign policy? You don't think the reason other nations at the UN didn't want to invade Iraq is because they didn't believe our intelligence reports saying they had WMD? When we went to the UN that was our argument, it was nothing about freedom or democracy, it was that Saddam was a credible threat to our national security because he had WMD. We were wrong, dead wrong, and they were right. Yet you're still sitting here backing the president and bashing the UN when it should be the other way around. __________________ sig too big

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Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Funforone, you can cut and paste all the propaganda you want, I'm still right and you're still wrong. You can twist facts to support just about any argument if you try hard enough. In the south there are plenty of people who make strong arguments for the Confederate government based on states rights. The KKK uses the bible to justify their hatred of black people. (And their hatred of Jews, go figure) Any reasonable person can look at the facts can come to their own conclusion. The fact that you're not even willing to admit that Bush was wrong for invading Iraq, the fact that he lied to us, told us the war was about WMD's and then when he couldn't find the WMD's he changed the story to "we went to war to liberate Iraq" tells me all I need to know about you. You're still arguing about the UN not going along with Bush and how that makes them wrong. Have you been living in a vacuum? They were right, we were wrong, end of story. __________________ sig too big

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FunForOne Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 8,704	I'm having a political discussion with a bunch of people claim to be democrats and dont even realize they are agreeing with someone's communists beliefs and then they want to correct my grammer.

05-23-2005, 09:12 PM	#81
FunForOne Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 8,704	The funny thing is that most of the mental midgets call me brainwashed while agreeing with every statment from the communists recruiter on the board and then they go to bed at night thinking they are democrats. You couldn't make this stuff up. They actually dont understand their own political party, but want to tell me how to run mine.