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baddog · 05-22-2005, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

okay now you are standing up for him for the sake of standing up for him....

he was offering to refund the bald sets, because CONTRARY to what he said, he didn't tell me he was sending that crap.

Maybe it is because everyone has cute, ugly, goth, pregnant and tattooed chicks that live next door to them . . . but not too many have bald chicks living in the neighborhood.

Tempest · 05-22-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

He didn't say piss him off, he said "violates my rights"

If you've actually been following this then you'd know that there weren't any "rights" that were violated. There was a copyright violation (which AaronM coerced the idiot into doing) but as soon as it was brought to his attention it was remedied... AaronM has made it clear in a several posts that this is about teaching the idiot a lesson... He may have "said" violate my rights.. but that's not what this is about...

jonesy · 05-22-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Clicky_Bucks

At the end of the day, nothing changes the fact that Aaron has 3600 bucks and Sam has nothing for his money.

I, as a businessman, just can't fathom letting a customer walk away after taking their money....no matter how much of a newbie deuchebag they were.

I'd do something to make it right.....not try to catch a kid on a technicality and take his money.

i agree with you and i wouldnt have handled it like aaron did

but

like i said before, i think aaron will give him the paperwork. hes fucking with SOS to teach him a lesson.

i dont think aaron will keep this kids money and not give him his paperwork.

if aaron doesnt give him the paper work, aarons credibilty and rep will be damaged to a degree.

aaron may be a spiteful immature prick at times but hes not going to tarnish his reputation over three grand..

sonofsam · 05-22-2005, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

but there was a way out of this for him a month ago when this all blew up and he refused it outright.

oh i get it...

AaronM contacting me on icq saying "make a thread saying you're wrong, and i'll make all the lawsuits go away"

is SUCH a great solution.. basically lie and say that aaron is right, to save myself 3600.... wow, what a wonderful solution.

NaughtyRob · 05-22-2005, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jonesy

i agree with you and i wouldnt have handled it like aaron did

but

like i said before, i think aaron will give him the paperwork. hes fucking with SOS to teach him a lesson.

i dont think aaron will keep this kids money and not give him his paperwork.

if aaron doesnt give him the paper work, aarons credibilty and rep will be damaged to a degree.

aaron may be a spiteful immature prick at times but hes not going to tarnish his reputation over three grand..

I think you are wrong there. He will not give in, and yes he will damage his rep for fucking this kid over.

baddog · 05-22-2005, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by skillfull

yeah but that not really a good customer service,
showing your best pics is normal, its called marketing
client not happy, want a refund

why not cut the apple in two and offer to exchange some of the content or offer a partial refund (so the client could keep the sets he likes)

Okay, so what I should do is buy all bulk content deals so I can get the pics at $.07 each, then return the ones I don't want, thus paying only $.07 each rather than the $1 each they would have cost if I bought them individually?

CDSmith · 05-22-2005, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

well if aaron says he told me "exactly what was in the content purchase" like he is saying.. then i should know that what i would recieve is cute teen, girl next door daddy's girl type of pics... you know like the numerous samples he showed me..

It is this kind of attitude, this defiant "fuck you I'm right - Aaron is wrong" attitude that got you in this mess and keeps you in this mess. Had you just known when to keep your mouth shut, listened to what I was saying back then, paid Aaron the rest of the money and NOT said another word of disagreement about it...... and THEN after obtaining the license you asked him (nicely) if you could exchange some sets (without any attitude in your voice or tone) I can tell you with almost 100% certainty this thread would not exist, you would be happily working your pay site and everyone would be happy.

Sam, it simply wasn't in my power to force you to do what was needed to put this deal behind you. I'm sorry for your monetary loss, but after all is said and done here there is no way I can agree that Aaron is wholey to blame for this.

sonofsam · 05-22-2005, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Okay, so what I should do is buy all bulk content deals so I can get the pics at $.07 each, then return the ones I don't want, thus paying only $.07 each rather than the $1 each they would have cost if I bought them individually?

regardless of what is or isn't a good deal, if aaron had told me there would be BBW / GOTH / HAIRY / BALD / PREGNANT sets, i would have no accepted the content.

Tempest · 05-22-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

It is this kind of attitude, this defiant "fuck you I'm right - Aaron is wrong" attitude that got you in this mess and keeps you in this mess. Had you just known when to keep your mouth shut, listened to what I was saying back then, paid Aaron the rest of the money and NOT said another word of disagreement about it...... and THEN after obtaining the license you asked him (nicely) if you could exchange some sets (without any attitude in your voice or tone) I can tell you with almost 100% certainty this thread would not exist, you would be happily working your pay site and everyone would be happy.

Sam, it simply wasn't in my power to force you to do what was needed to put this deal behind you. I'm sorry for your monetary loss, but after all is said and done here there is no way I can agree that Aaron is wholey to blame for this.

Give it up man.. He won't get it until he's got a family to provide for and is getting ass fucked day in and day out at some job that sucks the soul from him... Then.. maybe.. he'll understand that pride and ego means nothing...

sonofsam · 05-22-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

It is this kind of attitude, this defiant "fuck you I'm right - Aaron is wrong" attitude that got you in this mess and keeps you in this mess. Had you just known when to keep your mouth shut, listened to what I was saying back then, paid Aaron the rest of the money and NOT said another word of disagreement about it...... and THEN after obtaining the license you asked him (nicely) if you could exchange some sets (without any attitude in your voice or tone) I can tell you with almost 100% certainty this thread would not exist, you would be happily working your pay site and everyone would be happy.

Sam, it simply wasn't in my power to force you to do what was needed to put this deal behind you. I'm sorry for your monetary loss, but after all is said and done here there is no way I can agree that Aaron is wholey to blame for this.

the only solution to that was what aaron suggested, he wanted me to make a thread apologizing and say i'm wrong... so he would call off the lawsuits... NOT an option for me... my word is worth more then his lawsuit.

i will beat the horse till its dead, then have sex with it afterwards to prove i am NOT a liar, and that i don't bullshit!

P.S. it would have to be a good looking horse, something like black stallion or something

sonofsam · 05-22-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Give it up man.. He won't get it until he's got a family to provide for and is getting ass fucked day in and day out at some job that sucks the soul from him... Then.. maybe.. he'll understand that pride and ego means nothing...

i've been living on my own and paying my own bills since age 16, and yes that 3600 did set me back quite a bit... but even if it was 10k i would not just lie and go back on my word because someone is bullying me with lawsuits.

skillfull · 05-22-2005, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Okay, so what I should do is buy all bulk content deals so I can get the pics at $.07 each, then return the ones I don't want, thus paying only $.07 each rather than the $1 each they would have cost if I bought them individually?

sure you would have to expect to pay more than .07$ for the content you will keep because you cannot keep the volume discount (from the buyer point of view)

but at least, you will have only paid for content that you will use, if i were the buyer, i would understand it was for a good part my fault and not be upset after the seller

from the seller point of view, you have a happy client who will rebuy from you and refer his friends in exchange of almost nothing...

you never win when pissing off customers

CDSmith · 05-22-2005, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

oh i get it...

AaronM contacting me on icq saying "make a thread saying you're wrong, and i'll make all the lawsuits go away"

is SUCH a great solution.. basically lie and say that aaron is right, to save myself 3600.... wow, what a wonderful solution.

Wouldn't have killed you.

AND.... there are ways of saying things that placate Aaron and still make you look like an okay guy even if you're admitting to one or two small mistakes.

For the sake of resolving a potential stupid blown-out issue like this has now become, for the purposes of getting on with business and keeping your focus on what matters, then YES..... sometimes it's fucking worth it to swallow your pride and admit you made a mistake. And the fact is, you DID make a few mistakes in how you handled this deal from early on, so admitting those small mistakes would have prevented them from turning into huge mistakes.

Sam..... use this as a growing lesson, I mean really... what else can you do?

Well, you can keep on bitching about it here and waste even more of your time. Up to you of course.

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 12:02 AM

CDSmith: i have admitted the parts where i have been wrong, i.e. the currency thing.... what about aaron? why arn't you riding his ass to say where he fucked up?

Napolean · 05-23-2005, 12:06 AM

hmmm... lets see if my simple mind understands this with some comparison

Car Buyer: "Yes I would like to buy the Red Truck"
Salesmen: "Sure, $3600 and its yours"
Car Buyer: "Great, here you go"
Salesmen: "Enjoy your blue minivan!!"
Car Buyer: "Wait.. I paid for a Red Truck"
Salesmen: "Calling me a liar? Fuck you.. you can have the minivan but good luck driving the fucking thing without the keys, because I'm keeping those.."

unless maybe I totally missed something (aside from the slander excuse)

$3600 isnt just lunch money, taking it based on principal isnt right, but hey.. what the fuck do I know, I'm just a n00b who doesnt make any money =P

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Napolean

I'm just a n00b who doesnt make any money =P

you're a lucky n00b, with a really great and nice female friend

CDSmith · 05-23-2005, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

CDSmith: i have admitted the parts where i have been wrong, i.e. the currency thing.... what about aaron? why arn't you riding his ass to say where he fucked up?

One step at a time.

You just finished telling me he told you on ICQ what to do in order to get him to agree to finish this. You chose to tell him basically to "eat a dick".

Sam, that's where it ends.

I can at times help work some of these disputes out, but shit man I'm not a miracle worker. :D

My entire point is that this could have been fixed. You had your chance, and now it's done. My question to you is, what is it you want to do now? I seriously don't see you hurting Aaron's business to any significant degree, really. Of course, even one lost potential client could be grounds for him sueing you, that's true. But in the long run you're not likely to put him out of business, too many big program owners buy shitloads of content from the guy on a regular basis for that to happen.

So... my question to you is... what now? What's the point of going on with this rather circular bonefest? It's certainly raising more than a few postcounts I suppose.

Napolean · 05-23-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

you're a lucky n00b, with a really great and nice female friend

she's the best ever

CDSmith · 05-23-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Napolean

unless maybe I totally missed something

Bingo.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-23-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Napolean

hmmm... lets see if my simple mind understands this with some comparison

Car Buyer: "Yes I would like to buy the Red Truck"
Salesmen: "Sure, $3600 and its yours"
Car Buyer: "Great, here you go"
Salesmen: "Enjoy your blue minivan!!"
Car Buyer: "Wait.. I paid for a Red Truck"
Salesmen: "Calling me a liar? Fuck you.. you can have the minivan but good luck driving the fucking thing without the keys, because I'm keeping those.."

unless maybe I totally missed something (aside from the slander excuse)

$3600 isnt just lunch money, taking it based on principal isnt right, but hey.. what the fuck do I know, I'm just a n00b who doesnt make any money =P

I went through that same exact thing with AaronM on the phone.
Thats pretty much exactly his point of view.
UN fucking real and he got the nerve to call me an idiot.

CDSmith · 05-23-2005, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

I went through that same exact thing with AaronM on the phone.
Thats pretty much exactly his point of view.
UN fucking real and he got the nerve to call me an idiot.

I would have paid a few bucks to have listened in on that conversation.

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 12:13 AM

i needed to vent this shit, before i completely drop it.

and you have done a great job at pointing out all my faults, but none of aarons... so that makes me think you are biassed.

You make it seem like aaron was such a generous guy with that offer he made, that if i made a thread saying i lied, and that i'm wrong... that he would drop the lawsuits... would you take that offer? keep in mind you would be marked as a liar, and a bitch.... now you tell me... if you firmly believed in something, and someone offered that they wouldn't sue you if you made a thread calling yourself a liar you would take it? Please.

anyways, thats pretty much all i have to say to you regarding this.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-23-2005, 12:14 AM

He fucked up and he knows it...

Denial must really suck...

Tempest · 05-23-2005, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Napolean

Car Buyer: "Yes I would like to buy the Red Truck"
Salesmen: "Sure, $3600 and its yours"
Car Buyer: "Great, here you go"
Salesmen: "Enjoy your blue minivan!!"
Car Buyer: "Wait.. I paid for a Red Truck"
Salesmen: "Calling me a liar? Fuck you.. you can have the minivan but good luck driving the fucking thing without the keys, because I'm keeping those.."

It was more like thinking he was getting a red truck and actually got a burgandy truck.... Also, you missed the part where it was actually for $4500.. But the car buyer only paid $3600 and yet expected the salesman to give him the car keys so he could delivery pizzas to make the money to pay the remaining $900.. Then the he said he said started...

Napolean · 05-23-2005, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Bingo.

dunno... in my eyes the little guy gets screwed by the big guy just because he's the little guy

I doubt AaronM would do this to someone with some higher status, but my opinion doesnt matter so fuck it

jonesy · 05-23-2005, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ContentProducer

I think you are wrong there. He will not give in, and yes he will damage his rep for fucking this kid over.

we'll see.

i would be really surprised if aaron didnt give him the paperwork.

id be interested to see how many people think aaron will or will not fuck this kid over.

fuck a poll - post it as a thread

.

NTSS · 05-23-2005, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

"When I received the content, not only was it 60k images instead of 65k images, but it was full of BBW / GOTH / HAIRY / NASTY girls, even a PREGNANT set, and his defence to that what ?this is good amateur content, this stuff converts, and if you can?t make this stuff convert you shouldn?t be doing adult?

Excellent Customer service...

That sounds pretty fucked up to me

Napolean · 05-23-2005, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

It was more like thinking he was getting a red truck and actually got a burgandy truck.... Also, you missed the part where it was actually for $4500.. But the car buyer only paid $3600 and yet expected the salesman to give him the car keys so he could delivery pizzas to make the money to pay the remaining $900.. Then the he said he said started...

yeah I was trying to simplify it.. bottom line to me is a service was purchased but not delivered

Tempest · 05-23-2005, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Napolean

yeah I was trying to simplify it.. bottom line to me is a service was purchased but not delivered

No.. It wasn't purchased.. A downpayment was made... So nothing needs to be delivered...

Napolean · 05-23-2005, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

No.. It wasn't purchased.. A downpayment was made... So nothing needs to be delivered...

an 80% downpayment.. so there should be no refund?

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

It was more like thinking he was getting a red truck and actually got a burgandy truck.... Also, you missed the part where it was actually for $4500.. But the car buyer only paid $3600 and yet expected the salesman to give him the car keys so he could delivery pizzas to make the money to pay the remaining $900.. Then the he said he said started...

how would you know what the initial agreement was? or are you just going off of what aaron says?

the INITIAL agreement was what i said, and i said i would be more then happy to take a polygraph test, and thats not just blowing steam... there are a lot of vancouver webmasters here who could accompany me to a polygraph test to prove i'm not fucking lying...

next.

NaughtyRob · 05-23-2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

No.. It wasn't purchased.. A downpayment was made... So nothing needs to be delivered...

You dont get it do you. Aaron said he wont accept the rest of the money and the kid will not get the license. Period.

CDSmith · 05-23-2005, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

i needed to vent this shit, before i completely drop it.

and you have done a great job at pointing out all my faults, but none of aarons... so that makes me think you are biassed.

You make it seem like aaron was such a generous guy with that offer he made, that if i made a thread saying i lied, and that i'm wrong... that he would drop the lawsuits... would you take that offer? keep in mind you would be marked as a liar, and a bitch.... now you tell me... if you firmly believed in something, and someone offered that they wouldn't sue you if you made a thread calling yourself a liar you would take it? Please.

anyways, thats pretty much all i have to say to you regarding this.

Wrong again son.

Aaron automatically looks like a shit-heel regardless of what you might have said publicly in the way of a retraction. Can you not read? There are dozens of posts in both of these threads of yours of people who have already made up their minds about Aaron. Whatever damage you did has been done, and now you're just quibbling with me about whose faults were pointed out.

Again, this is why you'll always have trouble in this biz. You seem to lack the ability to keep the focus on what really matters. What mattered here was getting the deal done and getting on with your paysite, not putting up some bullshit moral front when you basically fucked up in several ways to begin with.

All I've heard from you is an unwillingness to take ownership of your actions. "Yes I fucked up, Yes I should have nailed down this deal in clearer detail, YES I should have figured out what currency it would be in instead of assuming like I did, YES I should have just sucked it up and gotten the deal done when I had the chance, and YES I should not have taken this to the boards like I did"

Who gives a shit if it sucks to have to say some of that? ALL OF THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

How that doesn't register in your mind is beyond me. Your agument has gone in circles for what, 15 pages total now? About that. Was it worth it? You still don't have a license and you are still out of pocket a chunk of money. I don't want to sound condescending about your age but fuck man, you have some growing up to do big time. I hope you can use this to help you do that.

Tempest · 05-23-2005, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

how would you know what the initial agreement was? or are you just going off of what aaron says?

the INITIAL agreement was what i said, and i said i would be more then happy to take a polygraph test, and thats not just blowing steam... there are a lot of vancouver webmasters here who could accompany me to a polygraph test to prove i'm not fucking lying...

next.

Like I said.. he said he said... I have no reason to believe you anymore than Aaron.. and that's the crux of the matter.. You both think you're right and so nothing will get resolved..

Tempest · 05-23-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Napolean

an 80% downpayment.. so there should be no refund?

Never said that.. They should have resolved it and if they couldn't reach an agreement then it should have been refunded..

Tempest · 05-23-2005, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ContentProducer

You dont get it do you. Aaron said he wont accept the rest of the money and the kid will not get the license. Period.

What I "get" is that I don't have an ulterior motive like you to make AaronM look bad... However, once AaronM said that, then he should have just given the idiot a refund and been done with it..

Napolean · 05-23-2005, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Never said that.. They should have resolved it and if they couldn't reach an agreement then it should have been refunded..

I agree with that, no license = refund delivered

there shouldnt be a loophole to just take someones money without delivering anything, if sonofsam did something to breach the agreement they made.. AaronM still needs to deliver the refund and then deal with whatever legal actions after

theres no justification for keeping the money if no goods were delivered

CDSmith · 05-23-2005, 12:32 AM

Goodnight all.

Son, good luck with.... whatever you decide to do. I mean that.

Learn from this experience.

Cheers all.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-23-2005, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

What I "get" is that I don't have an ulterior motive like you to make AaronM look bad... However, once AaronM said that, then he should have just given the idiot a refund and been done with it..

This shit spilled over from earlier today when AaronM came into ContentProducers thread and bad mouthing em.

NaughtyRob · 05-23-2005, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

This shit spilled over from earlier today when AaronM came into ContentProducers thread and bad mouthing em.

Thats correct. I NEVER said shit about AaronM. I dont go around calling people idiot, moron, etc like that fucker internet bully AaronM does.

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 12:35 AM

CDSmith : You havn't mentioned one thing about the way aaron dealt with this situation, which tells me you're biassed so excuse me for not taking your posts too seriously....

but thanks for wishing me well

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 12:37 AM

wish i would have ran into Content Producer before i ran into AaronM , he actually cares about customer server and satisfaction.

xxxice · 05-23-2005, 12:38 AM

I went to bar for a bit. Holy shiz drama

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by vanderweb

I went to bar for a bit. Holy shiz drama

this drama is competing with the nats drama, but i think nats drama has more potential....

xxxice · 05-23-2005, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

this drama is competing with the nats drama, but i think nats drama has more potential....

i just saw that now too my gosh i can never leave my house again

CDSmith · 05-23-2005, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

CDSmith : You havn't mentioned one thing about the way aaron dealt with this situation, which tells me you're biassed so excuse me for not taking your posts too seriously....

but thanks for wishing me well

*sigh*

Aaron is not going to budge on his position. Fact is, I would have advised leniency with you and possibly he might even have listened to that advice at one point, which would have indicated that he was probably being a bit of a hardass here. But that time is long past.

Other fact is, after seeing so many posts from you across both threads you've made on this shit, posts where you really should have kept quiet but instead let your impulsiveness get the better of you, I'm fairly certain that I too would have dealt harshly with you. But I'm not Aaron.... my focus would have been to get the deal done and get you out of my fucking hair. Aaron is in a different place.

Nope, I don't blame him for taking the hard line with you. And.... you have got to know by now that I truly wanted you two to work this out. I know I've made that abundantly clear, but especially so to you.

Not taking my posts seriously for a petty reason like you're saying is just another mistake, born of your young age I suppose. So be it.

Now it's definitely goodnight.

jayeff · 05-23-2005, 01:02 AM

SoS... it is apparently sometimes successful marketing tactic for sponsors and their reps to come across as complete assholes here. But the first thing strikes me is what on earth made you deal with a content provider who does the same thing? You couldn't have handled this much worse: you pretty much hung out a notice saying mug me. And it is still in plain sight.

Coming to GFY is unlikely to damage an image which Aaron seems intent on wrecking anyway. I imagine that he has put what he knows of you together with the relatively small base sum involved, and doesn't believe you will sue him. Serve him papers with a claim for a decent 5-figure sum and you might get his attention. The way to do this is to add to your claim for a refund and legal costs, a claim for the losses you suffered because you were not able to open your pay site.

Aaron has introduced lots of red herrings and dismissed or side-stepped your concerns. But he seems unable to claim that he did deliver what was promised (and illustrated by the samples he sent). It is irrelevant that what he provided might have been useful to some customers or that some might perceive the delivered package as good value. Your "misunderstanding" about Canadian dollars is hard to believe, but that became a non-issue when he went ahead with the transaction anyway. The later licensing issues are most irrelevant of all, because they have nothing whatever to do with the non-completion of the original transaction. Similarly, he has no basis in law for with-holding a refund because you upset him or because he doesn't like what you have been saying about him here (if he thinks those remarks were untrue and have damaged him, that is a separate issue he should pursue).

If you had to depend entirely on opinions as to the attractiveness or otherwise of some of his models, you might be on shakier ground. But you mentioned content categories which by no stretch of the imagination were appropriate. I don't believe you would have any problem at all in proving your case and although it will be harder to justify any additional damages, the nice thing for you is that the onus will be on Aaron to prove that any such claim is not reasonable. That will push his costs up, with no likely benefit except to minimize what he will have to pay you.

There is never a guarantee that people will not behave irrationally, but if you demonstrated you were serious, I doubt this case would ever get to court. It is the kind of nonsense case that the courts generally don't like, so at worst it should be dealt with quickly and therefore relatively inexpensively.

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 01:18 AM

great post jayeff, trust me.. lesson learned

baddog · 05-23-2005, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by skillfull

sure you would have to expect to pay more than .07$ for the content you will keep because you cannot keep the volume discount (from the buyer point of view)

but at least, you will have only paid for content that you will use, if i were the buyer, i would understand it was for a good part my fault and not be upset after the seller

from the seller point of view, you have a happy client who will rebuy from you and refer his friends in exchange of almost nothing...

you never win when pissing off customers

So, what if the individual pics ended up costing more that if you bought them in bulk?

Let's say he only wanted 5k of the pics, and they sold individually at $1 each?

Then what?

baddog · 05-23-2005, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Napolean

hmmm... lets see if my simple mind understands this with some comparison

Car Buyer: "Yes I would like to buy the Red Truck"
Salesmen: "Sure, $3600 and its yours"
Car Buyer: "Great, here you go"
Salesmen: "Enjoy your blue minivan!!"
Car Buyer: "Wait.. I paid for a Red Truck"
Salesmen: "Calling me a liar? Fuck you.. you can have the minivan but good luck driving the fucking thing without the keys, because I'm keeping those.."

unless maybe I totally missed something (aside from the slander excuse)

$3600 isnt just lunch money, taking it based on principal isnt right, but hey.. what the fuck do I know, I'm just a n00b who doesnt make any money =P

Nappy, let's look at the timeline here. You do realize how long after the fact it was that the kid that doesn't know when to keep quiet decided he didn't like the content . . . right?

Let's put your analogy in better perspective . . . you think 2 months after you bought the truck you could decide you didn't like the color?

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sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	CDSmith: i have admitted the parts where i have been wrong, i.e. the currency thing.... what about aaron? why arn't you riding his ass to say where he fucked up? __________________ I like turtles.

05-23-2005, 12:06 AM	#265
Napolean Old school Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kettering, OH Posts: 4,327	hmmm... lets see if my simple mind understands this with some comparison Car Buyer: "Yes I would like to buy the Red Truck" Salesmen: "Sure, $3600 and its yours" Car Buyer: "Great, here you go" Salesmen: "Enjoy your blue minivan!!" Car Buyer: "Wait.. I paid for a Red Truck" Salesmen: "Calling me a liar? Fuck you.. you can have the minivan but good luck driving the fucking thing without the keys, because I'm keeping those.." unless maybe I totally missed something (aside from the slander excuse) $3600 isnt just lunch money, taking it based on principal isnt right, but hey.. what the fuck do I know, I'm just a n00b who doesnt make any money =P __________________ Need a programmer? (Desktop/Web Applications) --- Skype: napoleande

05-23-2005, 12:13 AM	#272
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	i needed to vent this shit, before i completely drop it. and you have done a great job at pointing out all my faults, but none of aarons... so that makes me think you are biassed. You make it seem like aaron was such a generous guy with that offer he made, that if i made a thread saying i lied, and that i'm wrong... that he would drop the lawsuits... would you take that offer? keep in mind you would be marked as a liar, and a bitch.... now you tell me... if you firmly believed in something, and someone offered that they wouldn't sue you if you made a thread calling yourself a liar you would take it? Please. anyways, thats pretty much all i have to say to you regarding this. __________________ I like turtles.

05-23-2005, 12:14 AM	#273
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	He fucked up and he knows it... Denial must really suck... __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

05-23-2005, 12:32 AM	#288
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Goodnight all. Son, good luck with.... whatever you decide to do. I mean that. Learn from this experience. Cheers all. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

05-23-2005, 12:35 AM	#291
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	CDSmith : You havn't mentioned one thing about the way aaron dealt with this situation, which tells me you're biassed so excuse me for not taking your posts too seriously.... but thanks for wishing me well __________________ I like turtles.

05-23-2005, 12:37 AM	#292
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	wish i would have ran into Content Producer before i ran into AaronM , he actually cares about customer server and satisfaction. __________________ I like turtles.

05-23-2005, 12:38 AM	#293
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	I went to bar for a bit. Holy shiz drama

05-23-2005, 01:02 AM	#297
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	SoS... it is apparently sometimes successful marketing tactic for sponsors and their reps to come across as complete assholes here. But the first thing strikes me is what on earth made you deal with a content provider who does the same thing? You couldn't have handled this much worse: you pretty much hung out a notice saying mug me. And it is still in plain sight. Coming to GFY is unlikely to damage an image which Aaron seems intent on wrecking anyway. I imagine that he has put what he knows of you together with the relatively small base sum involved, and doesn't believe you will sue him. Serve him papers with a claim for a decent 5-figure sum and you might get his attention. The way to do this is to add to your claim for a refund and legal costs, a claim for the losses you suffered because you were not able to open your pay site. Aaron has introduced lots of red herrings and dismissed or side-stepped your concerns. But he seems unable to claim that he did deliver what was promised (and illustrated by the samples he sent). It is irrelevant that what he provided might have been useful to some customers or that some might perceive the delivered package as good value. Your "misunderstanding" about Canadian dollars is hard to believe, but that became a non-issue when he went ahead with the transaction anyway. The later licensing issues are most irrelevant of all, because they have nothing whatever to do with the non-completion of the original transaction. Similarly, he has no basis in law for with-holding a refund because you upset him or because he doesn't like what you have been saying about him here (if he thinks those remarks were untrue and have damaged him, that is a separate issue he should pursue). If you had to depend entirely on opinions as to the attractiveness or otherwise of some of his models, you might be on shakier ground. But you mentioned content categories which by no stretch of the imagination were appropriate. I don't believe you would have any problem at all in proving your case and although it will be harder to justify any additional damages, the nice thing for you is that the onus will be on Aaron to prove that any such claim is not reasonable. That will push his costs up, with no likely benefit except to minimize what he will have to pay you. There is never a guarantee that people will not behave irrationally, but if you demonstrated you were serious, I doubt this case would ever get to court. It is the kind of nonsense case that the courts generally don't like, so at worst it should be dealt with quickly and therefore relatively inexpensively.

05-23-2005, 01:18 AM	#298
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	great post jayeff, trust me.. lesson learned __________________ I like turtles.