Originally Posted by Lord of the fungi

Embryotic stem cells do perform and show better results than adult or "other" stem cells. To use a better word they are still highly plastic.
One must actually really follow the current and past research as well as keep very up to date on foriegn data to really understand this issue.
Like so many others it is very easy to get scientists to counter what other scientists say in order to push or halt an agenda. Keep in mind our Government still believes that global warming needs more study, and the tobacco companies were also able to debunk most all scientists with their own for decades. So just because some reports claim otherwise does not in no way even often resemble the truth.
Christian right wing republicans (not all republicans) desire to keep embryos from being used due soley on the religious angle and the scare tactics that it would lead to baby harvesting (more abortions).
Like it or not though stem cell research even at the embryo level will go on and move foward. The majority of this research though will either be done in other countries or in small well funded private labs in the US. At one point in time our country lead the world in such fields, but alas like many others the powers that be would rather ignore what made us prosper and try to return us to some utopian god fearing society that never exsisted in the first place.

Originally Posted by BoogieCFZ

I mean think about it.

God created everything.

he Created aids and diabetes and cancer and herpes and....

He DIDNT create the cures for those yet. Therefore they must be godly. right?



there is some exciting new research coming out of germany with type 2 diabetes that may apply to type 1 as well. Fingers crossed for your daughter.

I forget the exact details but it involved extracting tissue from one part of the body and putting it in another. :o it seemed relatively simple and is having some results.

Originally Posted by dig420

what sites do you run?

Originally Posted by FunForOne

You are really asking if I belong here. Thats a good question to ask, I have no problem with that.

I am very close to reaching my goal of averaging a reality cash signup a day for the entire month.

Remember, I never claimed to be a big timer in the industry. I've really just been full time since a couple months into this year.

As far as sites, I have several domains with small projects on each.

My bread and butter is gallery submissions. I do ok, I want to do better.

If you want to ICQ me, I'll show you some samples. If you are experienced in what I'm trying to accomplish, I also take advice.


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Originally Posted by dig420

Pathfinder is a fucking disturbed individual, one of the dozens who post in every political thread in defense of conservative issues but doesn't want to admit to being a conservative.

His idea of an insult is to call me Danny-boy, which is always good for a laugh.

My name is Bernie, theking, and Pathfinder sucks cocks in hell.

Originally Posted by theking

Thank you for the compliment...Danny boy.

The primary singular view that I have that some would call a [conservative] view...is that I am strong on defense spending...military R&D...and maintaing a large standing military. I was against the million man cut in military personell that was begun by President Bush Senior and followed through by President Clinton.

Other than that singular view...Danny boy...I am a moderate...with liberal leanings...thank you very much. I do not and have never defended this Administration and a conservative view in general...but I do defend against misinformation and lies about the same.

Originally Posted by dig420

shut up man, your act is ooooold.

what's the story again? Pathfinder died, left his monitor on this page and you just decided to start posting?

hahahahahahaha

you're such a weird fuck :Oh crap

Originally Posted by theking

Incorrect "story"...Danny boy...but then again I have noticed that you memory is very short term...probably due to all of the drugs you have consumed.

Originally Posted by dig420

The only thing dumber than your average post is the fact that I always reply to you :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by theking

I releive you of the obligation...Danny boy...feel free not to reply. No need to thank me...Danny boy.

Originally Posted by dig420

one more danny boy and I'll be defeated. YOU CAN DO IT!!!

Originally Posted by directfiesta

It is sad to see at which level the USA is reduced ...

People choosed a " side" and stick to it, non-withstanding the issues ...

And, even if you can show the nonsense of their positions, they still remain blinded by their original choice ....


Let me put it a bit more simpler:

I was and am against the war in Iraq... I beleived it was conducted under false pretenses ...
But let's suppose the US would have comed up with the stocpile of WMD, I would have bowed the haed and admit I was wrong, that I was fooled ...

I doubt FunForOne,Warchild,12Shits,TheKing can ever have that intellectual capacity ....

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by theking

OK...Danny boy. BTW...nice "hooch" you recently acquired. You gave a price...but what is the annual property tax...providing you care to say...Danny boy?

Originally Posted by directfiesta

It is sad to see at which level the USA is reduced ...

People choosed a " side" and stick to it, non-withstanding the issues ...

And, even if you can show the nonsense of their positions, they still remain blinded by their original choice ....


Let me put it a bit more simpler:

I was and am against the war in Iraq... I beleived it was conducted under false pretenses ...
But let's suppose the US would have comed up with the stocpile of WMD, I would have bowed the head and admit I was wrong, that I was fooled ...

I doubt FunForOne,Warchild,12Shits,TheKing can ever have that intellectual capacity ....

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by theking

FYI...I was a proponent for taking down Sadam and the Baath Party from '91...which is when they first began to break the truce agreements they signed...and remained a proponent each year there after...for accumlative reasons. Thus there is not any false pretenses from my point of view...my ire lies with the fact that President Bush Senior and President Clinton did not act to eliminate Sadam and the Baath party. I support President Bush for having acted...even though it was a decade over due. I do not support the way the conflict has been conducted and is currently being conducted...for mulitple reasons.

Originally Posted by dig420

the enraging thing about it is that there was a ton of evidence that he was lying even as he said it over and over and democrats refused to put a stop to it. they were afraid that something WOULD be found and they would look bad and that if nothing was found it would be the end of his presidency for lying so blatantly to the country. Neither proved to be the case.

Originally Posted by dig420

Are you also a proponent of 'taking down' the govt. of Uzbekistan, the Sudan and the hundreds of other little tinpot dictators currently brutalizing their populace?

Originally Posted by FunForOne

intelligence reports showed that Saddam Hussein had worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.

Originally Posted by FunForOne

He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein would have continued to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and would havel kept trying to develop nuclear weapons

Originally Posted by FunForOne

In the years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports showed that Saddam Hussein had worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.

He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein would have continued to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and would havel kept trying to develop nuclear weapons

Originally Posted by dig420

actually it was shown that Saddam was an eccentric despot and that Iraq had made NO progress towards a nuclear weapons program except for made-up reports that were given to him to keep him from killing someone. And he gave far less 'sanctuary to terrorists' than Saudi Arabia and about two dozen other Arab countries. AND he was a secular tyrant, whose interests were diametrically OPPOSED to religious terrorists.

This information is freely available. Why don't you know this? Why are you spouting Ari Fleischer's press releases instead of reading up on what actually turned out to be true?

Originally Posted by dig420

democrats refused to put a stop to it. they were afraid that something WOULD be found and they would look bad and that if nothing was found it would be the end of his presidency for lying so blatantly to the country. Neither proved to be the case.

Originally Posted by theking

I would not be against it particulary...but to the best of my knowledge the governments of neither of these two countries...have declared themselves to be an enemy of the US or have made themselves into a perceived enemy of the US. I could be wrong...and if I am...I am satisfied that it will be pointed out...Danny boy.

Originally Posted by FunForOne

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

Originally Posted by dig420

the enraging thing about it is that there was a ton of evidence that he was lying even as he said it over and over and democrats refused to put a stop to it.

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Sure, Uzbekistan has a US supprted puppet gov.., so then it is OK to " kill your own people" ...

US military bases and the pipeline ....

This is why people " HATE AMERICA" ... you prertend to have morals and do things for freedom, but it is all BS ...

Back to stemcells, what is wrong in taking cells to research and fine cures ... If it is, we wouldn't have penicillin ...

Originally Posted by cambaby

dig420 bend for me baby, yeah hows that feel with a big fat Republican cock in your ass.

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Perfect example of what I said about " set in cement "....

I don't give a fuck what Hilary Said... She was wrong, based on wrong or falsified info .... Now, her being wrong makes the war justifiable ....????

She was a wrong DEMOCRAT... that exist also.

Originally Posted by theking

I have stated repeatedly and have never altered my position...in that...the US government...just as I believe all governments do and have done throughout history...acts in what it perceives to be in its best interests...politically...economically...and militarily. I have stated it over and over that the US does not wear a White Hat nor does it wear a Black Hat but wears a hat with various shades of gray...dependent upon ones point of view. Fortunatley for US citizens the US is the only super power on the earth and the overwhelming majority of other countries do not come even close to this position...thus they act in their best interests by trying to remain neutral or being submissive to the US policies. There are a handful that are stupid enough to make themselves perceived enemies of the US. I am a pragmatist and that is just the "way it is".

Originally Posted by FunForOne

This other jackass is trying to say that the democrats not stopping the war was a politcal manuver.

Originally Posted by dig420

watch out, your IQ is showing

Originally Posted by cambaby

My IQ? Dude you are on a PORN WEBMASTER BUSINESS BOARD arguing over stem cell research. Hello? Clue? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by cambaby

directfiesta I want to fuck your pretty mouth, all liberals should jsut stfu and give me head now.