Designers - Tips to avoid getting scammed - GoFuckYourself.com

darnit · 05-15-2005, 08:41 PM

Designers.

Here is some advice for the aspiring designers looking for work on the boards. I have seen too many designers get screwed, and I have been on the raw end of some deals back when i used to freelance. Hopefully this will be of help to some. If not feel free to call me an idiot and move on

1. ALWAYS get half up front

2. ALWAYS send watermarked comps for approval, dont upload any completed work to their server until the design is signed off on and payment is remitted.

3. ALWAYS get a signed contract and specify the number or review/revision rounds client is allowed and specify a per hour rate for additional changes beyond the agreed apon number. Have a lawyer help you draft a template to use - simply modifiy the terms/price points for each new client.

4. ALWAYS ask around about potential clients

5. NEVER work for free to "see what you can do". That is what your portfolio is for.

6. NEVER work for informal promises of equity. Real equity is ink on the dotted line

7. If a client keeps making small changes or cant make up his or her mind or keeps increasing the scope of the projet, DO inforce #3 because this is always the case

Small changes add up to alot over time and your time is your product as a designer.

DISCLAIMER - The rules are harsh and dont apply to trused clients and/or companies - nor for simple one offs like banners. But for those offers on the board that we see time and time again that end up badly its a good way to avoid getting scammed out of your time and energy.

I dont claim to know it all but i have been around the design block many times and these simple steps can save a ton of time and decrease disputes between yourself and your clients as well as add to a happier working relationship for all involved.

EDIT - anyone else have tips that have helped them in the past feel free to contribute.

jack.nasty · 05-15-2005, 09:01 PM

I was just robbed by this guy:
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/467860-designer.html

I agree with everything. Sometimes this stuff make biz harder to happen, but prevent shit like B-Easy did to me.

Bump for your thread man!

Tango · 05-15-2005, 09:06 PM

agreed 110% - we've always followed those steps and always will

beckie · 05-15-2005, 09:12 PM

Great advice!

Make sure that your contract is in a format that the client cannot edit. When I first started my biz 3 years ago, I had a client do this and I didn't even realize it. They tried to get me to work on more stuff without compensation and I withheld giving them their files. After that, I put a protection on all my contracts and proposals.

Alien Queue · 05-15-2005, 09:14 PM

Always spellcheck!

jack.nasty · 05-15-2005, 09:26 PM

Someone could give me a good model?

Spunky · 05-15-2005, 09:37 PM

Most use that rule of thumb.getting burned once smartens them up pretty quick

mudsaliva · 05-16-2005, 12:12 AM

a must read for both designers and clients

micke · 05-16-2005, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunky

Most use that rule of thumb.getting burned once smartens them up pretty quick

That is probably true!...
But how smart does one get if he has been burned 3 times in 26 days!

"darnit" - Great advices!!

V_RocKs · 05-16-2005, 12:45 AM

That ignorant fuck who didn't pay you should be banned... fuck I hate people who don't hold their end of the bargain...

05-15-2005, 08:41 PM	#1
darnit Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teh Interweb Posts: 2,439	Designers - Tips to avoid getting scammed Designers. Here is some advice for the aspiring designers looking for work on the boards. I have seen too many designers get screwed, and I have been on the raw end of some deals back when i used to freelance. Hopefully this will be of help to some. If not feel free to call me an idiot and move on 1. ALWAYS get half up front 2. ALWAYS send watermarked comps for approval, dont upload any completed work to their server until the design is signed off on and payment is remitted. 3. ALWAYS get a signed contract and specify the number or review/revision rounds client is allowed and specify a per hour rate for additional changes beyond the agreed apon number. Have a lawyer help you draft a template to use - simply modifiy the terms/price points for each new client. 4. ALWAYS ask around about potential clients 5. NEVER work for free to "see what you can do". That is what your portfolio is for. 6. NEVER work for informal promises of equity. Real equity is ink on the dotted line 7. If a client keeps making small changes or cant make up his or her mind or keeps increasing the scope of the projet, DO inforce #3 because this is always the case Small changes add up to alot over time and your time is your product as a designer. DISCLAIMER - The rules are harsh and dont apply to trused clients and/or companies - nor for simple one offs like banners. But for those offers on the board that we see time and time again that end up badly its a good way to avoid getting scammed out of your time and energy. I dont claim to know it all but i have been around the design block many times and these simple steps can save a ton of time and decrease disputes between yourself and your clients as well as add to a happier working relationship for all involved. EDIT - anyone else have tips that have helped them in the past feel free to contribute. Last edited by darnit; 05-15-2005 at 08:44 PM..

05-15-2005, 09:01 PM	#2
jack.nasty Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: São Paulo * Brazil * Posts: 1,361	Amazing thread I was just robbed by this guy: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/467860-designer.html I agree with everything. Sometimes this stuff make biz harder to happen, but prevent shit like B-Easy did to me. Bump for your thread man! __________________ - - - - - - ICQ: 244-010-962 * Skype, Email & Msn: jack.nasty [at] gmail.com

05-15-2005, 09:12 PM	#4
beckie Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 405	Great advice! Make sure that your contract is in a format that the client cannot edit. When I first started my biz 3 years ago, I had a client do this and I didn't even realize it. They tried to get me to work on more stuff without compensation and I withheld giving them their files. After that, I put a protection on all my contracts and proposals. __________________ Sun Designs xxx icq - 16100431

05-15-2005, 09:26 PM	#6
jack.nasty Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: São Paulo * Brazil * Posts: 1,361	Model of contract Someone could give me a good model? __________________ - - - - - - ICQ: 244-010-962 * Skype, Email & Msn: jack.nasty [at] gmail.com

05-15-2005, 09:37 PM	#7
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05-15-2005, 09:06 PM	#3
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05-15-2005, 09:14 PM	#5
Alien Queue So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 73	Always spellcheck!

05-16-2005, 12:12 AM	#8
mudsaliva Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: grunge island Posts: 568	a must read for both designers and clients __________________ Prying open my third eye icq: 292793805 skype: mudspit

05-16-2005, 12:45 AM	#10
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	That ignorant fuck who didn't pay you should be banned... fuck I hate people who don't hold their end of the bargain...