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Old 05-14-2005, 01:08 PM   #1
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I want to setup a friend with their own business, something that can make him $2,000 a month would be great. I am looking to invest about 40 - 50K cash.

I've been looking around and something that has caught my attention is a coin-op Laundromat. No employees, put in couple change machines, all vending equipment, bunch of security cameras that can be taped and monitored from home, etc...

Anyone else own one of these or have in the past, or do you know someone that does. I know I will drop a couple thousand on a plumber for hooking it all up. Will need more hot water heaters, a maintenance company to service them as they break, utility bill will be high, lease will be cheap though(you want to put it in a low income area). Is there anything I am missing ? Cash business so the IRS

I would put in a great location naturally. I know this is key.

Some things I really like about it is that it is recession proof. If the economy goes bad the business may go up. More people selling their houses and moving into smaller apartments with no washer dryer. Either way I can't see the coin-op Laundromat industry declining, people have to wash clothes no matter what. (I would hope, lol)

I would also throw in a bunch of vending machines, even some cold food vending with microwave, cig machine, arcade games, anything coin-op so don't need employees there 24/7 just someone to check in on it.

What do you think, and is there any other ideas that would work better. Please discuss.
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you're making over $1 Million per year but you'd recommend not to pay taxes on $2k earnings per months...
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I dont recommend you keep it open 27/7 and "a" employee might be needed.
At min wage for 10 hours a day thats maybe an extra $70 out per day
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you're making over $1 Million per year but you'd recommend not to pay taxes on $2k earnings per months...
some people don't read threads..... this is not for me, i will not be claiming this income,. The IRS comment was more of a joke... but to some extent, who doesn't fudge some on a cash business... btw, no i wouldn't recommend claming 100% of what you make on a cash business to the irs, would you ?
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Don't forget you'll probably have to upgrade the electric system. That can be expensive but I'm sure your $50k will cover it. You'll probably make your money selling things through the vending machine, detergent and such.

Oh, don't fuck the IRS. It isn't worth the risk. They can and will make your life a living hell.

Oh, and I wouldn't start a business for a "friend". Its trouble waiting to happen, unless you're prepared to take over operations.
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Don't forget you'll probably have to upgrade the electric system. That can be expensive but I'm sure your $50k will cover it. You'll probably make your money selling things through the vending machine, detergent and such.

Oh, don't fuck the IRS. It isn't worth the risk. They can and will make your life a living hell.

Oh, and I wouldn't start a business for a "friend". Its trouble waiting to happen, unless you're prepared to take over operations.

i'm prepared to gift the money to help em out and if it got tossed on me i would hang the closed sign and sell the equipment off. and i've been audited before with no problems, a compentent CPA will let you know what you can and can't do.
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Don't forget you'll probably have to upgrade the electric system.

adding that to the startup cost list, thanks.
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im thinking dvd vending machines

ive seen them in the airports, kinda cool. But some of those movies are so damn expensive. I forget how it all works but they either cost like $20 or $80 depending upon how they were released and their value drops like a rock, so if you dont get your money out of them while they are hot, then it will take years of 1/2 price rentals from the "old" shelf to make the money back. And in a limited space like we are talking about here, the old ones get pulled all together.

cool idea though, keep em coming.
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you can rig the machines so they dont pump out as much hot air, so the customers have to pump in more coins =x
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willy, they work with rental too,actually they are made primarily for rental and people can use their credit card. I know a guy that did that in europe and does some good $.
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I was at a seminar once and this guy told us how he got started in business... he bought gumball machines. He went around to stores, arcades, service places, etc, and offered them a couple bucks a month (I don't know exactly how much, I think he said $25 but this probably happened 15 years ago) to "host" his gumball machine. Once a week or once a month he would run around, collect his quarters, restock if necessary.

Sounds kind of funny, but I'm sure there are many people with businesses like this. The key of course would be volume and you would need to put in the foot work of meeting and creating relationships with many business owners.
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If your friend are looking for earning good money, then he should take a closer look on www.coastalscash.com ! Its extremly powerfull and it almost sells its self!

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the coin laundry business is OK and will be good for the next 20 years in the USA, with these caveats:

1. it is very location specific, the proper location and demographics is the key.

2. the downside is that the best locations, are not in the best neighborhoods and you will not be dealing with the best class of patrons.

3. someone suggested here hiring a minimum wage kid to be on-site during business hours to supervise, sell soap, dry-cleaning outsourcing, etc. that is good advice.

4. if no-one is on site you will lose your profits in vandalism and sledge hammer theft, sorry for the truth.
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You should check out prepaid laundry machines. I don't think coins are the future, I think prepaid cards are. I haven't done alot of research, just my
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My family was in the Dry Cleaning and coin op Laundromat business for over 25 years.
Yes it can be a very profitable business, but there are many things to consider...
1st - You have have greatly underestimated the amount of capital it will cost to get started..quality commercial washers and dryers are signifigantly more expensive than your typical home units. depending on the total number of units you plan on purchasing, 40 - 50k might just barely cover that.

2nd - The plumbing will cost quite a bit more than just a couple thousand, you have to have a large volume water supply/main/meter just to function, then you have hot and cold water supplies with cut off valves for every single unit, drainage which will entail cutting the concrete slab for installation, gas supply for each dryer (you want to go gas because electric units will eat you alive in utility costs), you will also require a small boiler unit, a couple hot water heaters wont cut it, the boiler also requires a gas and electric supply.

3rd - Electrical work will be considerable, you have power to each unit, plus it will generally require a signifigant upgrade from your standard retail store type system.

4th - Change machines - quality units will run around $600-1,000 each or more, and there is something to consider, every time they change the design of our currency, expect to pay for upgrading them to accept the new notes.

5th - It's a huge mistake not to have an employee there during the hours of operation, several things to consider, the 1st is vandalisim and theft, that alone could cost you a fair amount of money to repair/ replace coin changers, slides and the coin boxes. 2nd is the dryers will require daily cleaning of the lint traps. 3rd Washers will frequently overflow, drains will get clogged and hoses break. If any of these things happen in an unattended facility and they flood, you might not know it for hours and not only will it cost you $ for the excessive water loss, if it floods the neighboring businesses you could be in for a big expense in clean up costs, and insurance may or may not cover all of these "accidents". 4th the facility will require frequent mopping and sweeping or the floors, and cleaning of the restrooms.

6th - Fixtures..you will have to have folding tables, rolling laundry carts, interior and exterior signage...etc.

7th - Forget about being open 24 hours, you will do next to no business from midnight to 6-7 am. its not worth the electric utility costs alone.

The reality of the situation is expect it to cost you in excess of 100K minimum, also you are much better off in a purpose built facility ie: new retail location that is designed from the ground up to be a laundromat. you have the right idea wanting to be located in a lower income area, but thats not all to consider in you location decision making process, you want to be in an strong area of new or recent construction/ development of low cost homes, rental units and apartments. Older established neighborhoods will not have the customer base you are seeking.

I could go on and on..but this gives you something to think about anyway

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I sat down 6 years ago with some companies offering dryers and washers, and i can tell you 6 years ago 50k wouldnt have been enough to open. There are numerous issues. Like was told above, also you need to have the facility in the ghetto, lots of shit hole apartments. Vandalism will drain you. You think the ghetto trash care about cameras? Look for a different line of investment
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People say the laundromat is better off in a lower class neighborhood, thats not true.

I go to my local laundromat every now and then when I have to do more than 2 loads. The laundromat is definitley not in the ghetto or even close to it. Alot of people own lots of clothes and don't want to keep loading the washer up all day so they go to a laundromat.

4 loads in a laundromat takes me a 1 1/2 hours at home it would take maybe 4 hours. Also they have double loader washers for blankets that won't fit in a home washer.

If you have a clean place you'll make money. Keep a guy around to wipe down the washers and clean stuff.

Also i beleive you have to have all your washers and dryers comply with the weights and measures standards every year. So you can't cut the gas down on the dryers for people to pump more quarters in
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Don't you make people hundreds of thousands of dollars with your proven web method? Just hook them up to ifriends and let the cash flow in.

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That's a good idea. LOCATION is key. I noticed that low to lower middle income areas are great for coinop laundrymats.
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Are you fucking this friend ????Just give her 2 grand a month much less painful .lol For a business to work it has to be worked , I know a guy who has a very successful laundrymat he or one of his family members are there all the time. He offers his customers free coffee and always has a smile on his face . They do a monster wash and fold service.
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My family was in the Dry Cleaning and coin op Laundromat business for over 25 years.
Yes it can be a very profitable business, but there are many things to consider...
1st - You have have greatly underestimated the amount of capital it will cost to get started..quality commercial washers and dryers are signifigantly more expensive than your typical home units. depending on the total number of units you plan on purchasing, 40 - 50k might just barely cover that.

2nd - The plumbing will cost quite a bit more than just a couple thousand, you have to have a large volume water supply/main/meter just to function, then you have hot and cold water supplies with cut off valves for every single unit, drainage which will entail cutting the concrete slab for installation, gas supply for each dryer (you want to go gas because electric units will eat you alive in utility costs), you will also require a small boiler unit, a couple hot water heaters wont cut it, the boiler also requires a gas and electric supply.

3rd - Electrical work will be considerable, you have power to each unit, plus it will generally require a signifigant upgrade from your standard retail store type system.

4th - Change machines - quality units will run around $600-1,000 each or more, and there is something to consider, every time they change the design of our currency, expect to pay for upgrading them to accept the new notes.

5th - It's a huge mistake not to have an employee there during the hours of operation, several things to consider, the 1st is vandalisim and theft, that alone could cost you a fair amount of money to repair/ replace coin changers, slides and the coin boxes. 2nd is the dryers will require daily cleaning of the lint traps. 3rd Washers will frequently overflow, drains will get clogged and hoses break. If any of these things happen in an unattended facility and they flood, you might not know it for hours and not only will it cost you $ for the excessive water loss, if it floods the neighboring businesses you could be in for a big expense in clean up costs, and insurance may or may not cover all of these "accidents". 4th the facility will require frequent mopping and sweeping or the floors, and cleaning of the restrooms.

6th - Fixtures..you will have to have folding tables, rolling laundry carts, interior and exterior signage...etc.

7th - Forget about being open 24 hours, you will do next to no business from midnight to 6-7 am. its not worth the electric utility costs alone.

The reality of the situation is expect it to cost you in excess of 100K minimum, also you are much better off in a purpose built facility ie: new retail location that is designed from the ground up to be a laundromat. you have the right idea wanting to be located in a lower income area, but thats not all to consider in you location decision making process, you want to be in an strong area of new or recent construction/ development of low cost homes, rental units and apartments. Older established neighborhoods will not have the customer base you are seeking.

I could go on and on..but this gives you something to think about anyway

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Don't you make people hundreds of thousands of dollars with your proven web method? Just hook them up to ifriends and let the cash flow in.


I don't "make" people money. I help them make money. If I were to "make" them money it would be easier for me to make it myself instead of trying to spend 5 hours a day teaching them everything i learned in the last 6 years. It would be easier for me to make it myself and give them money which i prefer not to do. This person inparticular does not own a PC, i do not have the time to teach them what a URL is and how to surf. I want to set them up and help them run a mainstream business. i know you were kidding so dont take what i am saying as being serious and bitting your head off
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Are you fucking this friend ????Just give her 2 grand a month much less painful .lol For a business to work it has to be worked , I know a guy who has a very successful laundrymat he or one of his family members are there all the time. He offers his customers free coffee and always has a smile on his face . They do a monster wash and fold service.
Cool maybe that would be a good idea to incorperate. If someone had to be paid to be there I would want them doing something. A cloths folder/washer person would be a good idea. If you dont have time drop the cloths off and the employee will wash it and fold it for you. And when he is not doing that he is cleaning shit.

I have also been tossin around a little SMALL deli, like a subway,VERY small, like 5 items. People might want to eat while the wait ? Well main idea behind this is I would need to sell food to have a alchol license. I need alcohol license for video poker machines. My state (well most of it) allows you to have video poker machines. So while you are waiting for laundry you can have a sandwich, beer and play some poker... a low incomer's dream one stop shop....

So anyway i do it, if i had an employee there I would want them to be generating revenue from something else not just watching.

BTW, it's not a SHE, geesh can't help a buddy out ??
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My family was in the Dry Cleaning and coin op Laundromat business for over 25 years.
Yes it can be a very profitable business, but there are many things to consider...
1st - You have have greatly underestimated the amount of capital it will cost to get started..quality commercial washers and dryers are signifigantly more expensive than your typical home units. depending on the total number of units you plan on purchasing, 40 - 50k might just barely cover that.

2nd - The plumbing will cost quite a bit more than just a couple thousand, you have to have a large volume water supply/main/meter just to function, then you have hot and cold water supplies with cut off valves for every single unit, drainage which will entail cutting the concrete slab for installation, gas supply for each dryer (you want to go gas because electric units will eat you alive in utility costs), you will also require a small boiler unit, a couple hot water heaters wont cut it, the boiler also requires a gas and electric supply.

3rd - Electrical work will be considerable, you have power to each unit, plus it will generally require a signifigant upgrade from your standard retail store type system.

4th - Change machines - quality units will run around $600-1,000 each or more, and there is something to consider, every time they change the design of our currency, expect to pay for upgrading them to accept the new notes.

5th - It's a huge mistake not to have an employee there during the hours of operation, several things to consider, the 1st is vandalisim and theft, that alone could cost you a fair amount of money to repair/ replace coin changers, slides and the coin boxes. 2nd is the dryers will require daily cleaning of the lint traps. 3rd Washers will frequently overflow, drains will get clogged and hoses break. If any of these things happen in an unattended facility and they flood, you might not know it for hours and not only will it cost you $ for the excessive water loss, if it floods the neighboring businesses you could be in for a big expense in clean up costs, and insurance may or may not cover all of these "accidents". 4th the facility will require frequent mopping and sweeping or the floors, and cleaning of the restrooms.

6th - Fixtures..you will have to have folding tables, rolling laundry carts, interior and exterior signage...etc.

7th - Forget about being open 24 hours, you will do next to no business from midnight to 6-7 am. its not worth the electric utility costs alone.

The reality of the situation is expect it to cost you in excess of 100K minimum, also you are much better off in a purpose built facility ie: new retail location that is designed from the ground up to be a laundromat. you have the right idea wanting to be located in a lower income area, but thats not all to consider in you location decision making process, you want to be in an strong area of new or recent construction/ development of low cost homes, rental units and apartments. Older established neighborhoods will not have the customer base you are seeking.

I could go on and on..but this gives you something to think about anyway

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Thanks for the nice detailed reply.. very helpful. I can see I am underestimating the cost for electric and plumbing. May cost me in the 15 - 20K just for that work to get it setup. however I did find a laundry mat with 10 washers and 20 dryers, coin-op comerical type in the paper for 20K. They are 4 years old and the guy is about 2 hours away from me. Also has change machine, and some other extras with it. I didn't plan on buying new but i dont want something 10 years old either. Still seems possible for 50K (ish) 20K for machines, 20K for hookup, 10K for initial capitol?? Lease for area i am looking at would only be about 1,200 month...

Shit maybe i will just build a stip mall and use one of the bays for this, save all the cost of running all the plumbing/electrical

The area i was thinking to put it isn't that bad, on main highway, next to large apartment complexs, couple blocks of them but it is all surronded by middle class neighborhoods... the city has about a murder a year so this is not the getto, but very close to lower income aprts where there is a high demand for somerthing like this. There is an existing laundry mat that is a little further away then where i think i would want to put this, the existing place is old kinda funky, and a little out of the way... My belief, that there is oppertunity. I would want to be a little bigger, little cleaner, little nicer, same or better prices and offfer more services, and everything would be a lot newer. Take their business. I know it is brutal mentality, but i love capitolism
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however I did find a laundry mat with 10 washers and 20 dryers, coin-op comerical type in the paper for 20K. They are 4 years old and the guy is about 2 hours away from me. Also has change machine, and some other extras with it. I didn't plan on buying new but i dont want something 10 years old either.

i meant 20 washers and 10 dryers (5 double stack gas), Do you think that is a good ratio? 2:1 washer to dryer ?
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2:1 is washers to dryers is ok, it wouldnt hurt to have a cpl extra dryers above that, some people have washers and just come to dry the clothes, especially on rainy days if they use a clothes line...
Another thing to consider is you may want to look into buying a couple large load capacity washers so customers can wash comforters and bedspreads, a lot of people that do have washers and dryers at home will use a laundomat for this reason only, + you can get a little more $ per use..

Also as some have pointed out above, wash and fold service is a good money maker and will keep the attendant busy, (truck drivers and single men make up a large segment of wash n fold customers) also you can contract with a local Dry Cleaners and offer Dry Cleaning service as well, that really doesnt add anything to the overhead, all you need is a rack to hang the orders on for pick up and generally some cloth or mesh laundry bags for the orders as they are brought in. You wont make a great deal profit, but its an added service to offer to your customers.

Yes purchasing an existing facility is also an option, just consider the neighborhood, sometimes what happens with laundromats is they lose their customer base after awhile if they are in neighborhoods that are a little older, people tend to use the closest facility to them and as time goes on, people that couldnt afford washers and dryers when they initally moved into their homes finally aquire them and no longer use the neighborhood laundromat.
Another thing to consider is the rent to own stores have cut into this timeline a bit over the years as well..

The most important thing to be wary of when purchasing an existing facility is the age of the equipment and potiental maintenance that could add to the real cost of the facility. Also if you have a particular facility in mind, keep an eye on it over a week or 2, drive by, do a customer count or go in and see how many machines are being used at various times through out the day, you might even do a load or 2 of your own and hang out for awhile as well as see if the machines seem to be in good condition. Late afternoons and early eve's are typically the busiest times as well as weekends (saturdays mostly) you will find that young mothers with children tend to show up right after they pick the kids up from school in the afternoon.
(not a bad idea to have a TV or 2 on hand to keep the kids occupied...lol)
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2:1 is washers to dryers is ok, it wouldnt hurt to have a cpl extra dryers above that, some people have washers and just come to dry the clothes, especially on rainy days if they use a clothes line...
Another thing to consider is you may want to look into buying a couple large load capacity washers so customers can wash comforters and bedspreads, a lot of people that do have washers and dryers at home will use a laundomat for this reason only, + you can get a little more $ per use..

Also as some have pointed out above, wash and fold service is a good money maker and will keep the attendant busy, (truck drivers and single men make up a large segment of wash n fold customers) also you can contract with a local Dry Cleaners and offer Dry Cleaning service as well, that really doesnt add anything to the overhead, all you need is a rack to hang the orders on for pick up and generally some cloth or mesh laundry bags for the orders as they are brought in. You wont make a great deal profit, but its an added service to offer to your customers.

Yes purchasing an existing facility is also an option, just consider the neighborhood, sometimes what happens with laundromats is they lose their customer base after awhile if they are in neighborhoods that are a little older, people tend to use the closest facility to them and as time goes on, people that couldnt afford washers and dryers when they initally moved into their homes finally aquire them and no longer use the neighborhood laundromat.
Another thing to consider is the rent to own stores have cut into this timeline a bit over the years as well..

The most important thing to be wary of when purchasing an existing facility is the age of the equipment and potiental maintenance that could add to the real cost of the facility. Also if you have a particular facility in mind, keep an eye on it over a week or 2, drive by, do a customer count or go in and see how many machines are being used at various times through out the day, you might even do a load or 2 of your own and hang out for awhile as well as see if the machines seem to be in good condition. Late afternoons and early eve's are typically the busiest times as well as weekends (saturdays mostly) you will find that young mothers with children tend to show up right after they pick the kids up from school in the afternoon.
(not a bad idea to have a TV or 2 on hand to keep the kids occupied...lol)
Good points, hell i know i would use a washing/folding service... i dont have much that needs dry cleaning, but i hate doing laundry. I need to find a place by me to take care of this I think the washing/folding would be a great extra source of income.

What else could you do to make extra income. I always try to incorperate as many things as possible into one thing, if it was up to me, you would go in to do your laundry, eat, get your groceries, get your nails/hair done while you wait, etc.. all in the laundry mat... Here is list of easy/ prartical extra sources of income.

folding/washing service
drink/snack machine
detergent dispensor (coin-op)
cigerette machine ????
cooler vending machine with food and provide microwave???
arcade games ???
internet access (credit card swipe) maybe for little nicer area but surfing net and checking email while you wait could be good idea.... ???


any other ideas ????
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I think if you wanted something more unattended.. you might want to do a car wash instead. There are a bunch of small 3-4 bay car washes around me that are totally unattended but make some serious money.
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I think if you wanted something more unattended.. you might want to do a car wash instead. There are a bunch of small 3-4 bay car washes around me that are totally unattended but make some serious money.

I have been looking for property to build one for myself... looking at spending at least 200K even for a small one not counting land.

For this particular deal I don't want to spend more then 50K... its a buddy an all but 50K is enough to get him going...
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what kind of shit is this?
What do you mean?
This is the shit that gives several hundred thousands Directors in US alone 1000USD for every sold membership, and at the same time it gives us the great opportunity to take nice vacations and only pay for local tax and handling fee!

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Have you thought about the used car business?
That is an idea but probably not the best for this person.. need something more simplistic... not sure if i could relyon him to go to auctions and pick the winners, and not that much of a saleman either. but it would go good next to a car wash if you have extra land to put in some cars.


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What do you mean?
This is the shit that gives several hundred thousands Directors in US alone 1000USD for every sold membership, and at the same time it gives us the great opportunity to take nice vacations and only pay for local tax and handling fee!

Thank you!

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LOL i was just about to say i dont thnk an mlm would be good for this and i read your FAQ... but like i said this person does not have a website muchless get online so might be hard for them to do directsales. Im sure he could stuff envelopes or what ever else people do for direct sales other then online. but not really what I am looking for here, but thanks anway
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I'd be amazed if you can get that going for $50K.

Down side is those are in the low end neighborhoods, so you have security issues to consider as well.

I think you'd do better with candy machines or video / poker games in bars. Although the primo spots are already nabbed.
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Yep, As you could read in FAQ, the program isnt MLM....
And if this person dosnt have an website, he/she can get one free!
Just like the www.coastalscash.com website.. He/she doesnt need hosting.
It will be taken care of us.. And if he/she doesnt work online, then sell it offline..
Several hundred thousand in US are selling it daily offline...

Any questions? Please forward it to my friend and the Director on the site.

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What do you mean?
This is the shit that gives several hundred thousands Directors in US alone 1000USD for every sold membership, and at the same time it gives us the great opportunity to take nice vacations and only pay for local tax and handling fee!

Thank you!

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give me a break....... that sites doesnt have traffic at lot..now imagine 1000s directors hah

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give me a break....... that sites doesnt have traffic at lot..now imagine 1000s directors hah

What is your problem ???
Who is talking about traffic?? Coastal Vacation has been around for 12 years now.. Its a bullet proof system that gives me and lots of other Coastal Vacation Directors cash in our hands and cruise and stay to amazing prices..

So while you are sucking your thumb and palying hot shot, we are making good money and taking cruise to Bahamas for onlye 7USD ;)


Thanks and good luck with that attitude!
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Any other non adult (offline) business ideas out there?
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