border patrol ordered to stand down in AZ. - GoFuckYourself.com

goBigtime · 05-13-2005, 01:08 AM

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...2032-5055r.htm

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Border Patrol told to stand down in Arizona

By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

U.S. Border Patrol agents have been ordered not to arrest illegal aliens along the section of the Arizona border where protesters patrolled last month because an increase in apprehensions there would prove the effectiveness of Minuteman volunteers, The Washington Times has learned.
More than a dozen agents, all of whom asked not to be identified for fear of retribution, said orders relayed by Border Patrol supervisors at the Naco, Ariz., station made it clear that arrests were "not to go up" along the 23-mile section of border that the volunteers monitored to protest illegal immigration.
"It was clear to everyone here what was being said and why," said one veteran agent. "The apprehensions were not to increase after the Minuteman volunteers left. It was as simple as that."
Another agent said the Naco supervisors "were clear in their intention" to keep new arrests to an "absolute minimum" to offset the effect of the Minuteman vigil, adding that patrols along the border have been severely limited.
Border Patrol Chief David V. Aguilar at the agency's Washington headquarters called the accusations "outright wrong," saying that supervisors at the Naco station had not blocked agents from making arrests and that the station's 350 agents were being "supported in carrying out" their duties.
"Border Patrol agents are the front line of defense against terrorism," Chief Aguilar said, adding that the 11,000 agents nationwide are "meeting that challenge, head-on ... as daunting a task as that may sound."
The chief -- a former head of the agency's Tucson sector, which includes the Naco station -- said that with the world watching the Arizona border because of the Minuteman Project, agents in Naco "demonstrated flexibility and resilience in carrying out their critical homeland security duties and responsibilities."
But Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican, yesterday said "credible sources" within the Border Patrol also had told him of the decision by Naco supervisors to keep new arrests to a minimum, saying he was angry but not surprised.
"It's like telling a cop to stand by and watch burglars loot a store but don't arrest any of them," he said. "This is another example of decisions being made at the highest levels of the Border Patrol that are hurting morale and helping to rot the agency from within.
"I worry about our efforts in Congress to increase the number of agents," he said. "Based on these kinds of orders, we could spend the equivalent of the national debt and never have secure borders."
Mr. Tancredo, chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, blamed the Bush administration for setting an immigration enforcement tone that suggests to those enforcing the law that he is not serious about secure borders.
"We need to get the president to come to grips with the seriousness of the problem," he said. "I know he doesn't like to utter the words, 'I was wrong,' but if we have another incident like September 11 by people who came through our borders without permission, I hope he doesn't have to say 'I'm sorry.' "
During the Minuteman vigil, Border Patrol supervisors in Arizona discounted their efforts, saying a drop in apprehensions during their protest was because of the Mexican government's deployment of military and police south of the targeted area and a new federal program known as the Arizona Border Control Initiative that brought manpower increases to the state.
The Naco supervisors blamed the volunteers for unnecessarily tripping sensors, disturbing draglines and interfering with the normal operations of the agents. They said that their impact on illegals was "negligible" and that civilians should leave immigration enforcement "to the professionals."
Several field agents credited the volunteers with cutting the flow of illegal aliens in the targeted Naco area, saying the number of apprehended illegals dropped from an average of 500 a day to less than 15 a day.
More than 850 volunteers, in a protest of the lax immigration enforcement policies of the White House and Congress, sought to reduce the flow of illegal aliens along a popular immigration corridor on the Arizona-Mexico border near Naco by reporting illegals to the Border Patrol as they crossed into the United States.
Their goal was to show that increased manpower on the border would effectively deter illegal immigration. Organizers said the protest resulted in Border Patrol arrests of 349 illegal aliens.
Area residents, in a half-page ad in the Sunday edition of the Sierra Vista Herald, told the volunteers: "Thanks for doing what our government won't -- close the border to illegal aliens. It was the quietest month we've had in many years ... You made us feel safe because the border was closed."

AdPatron · 05-13-2005, 01:17 AM

That sucks.

pr0 · 05-13-2005, 01:35 AM

I can't wait till they start crossing over into canada.

rounders · 05-13-2005, 01:37 AM

hahah sucks for tem

pr0 · 05-13-2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rounders

hahah sucks for tem

sucks for everyone....they don't pay taxes...then they move back to mexico after they've saved up enough $ to live like a king, trust me...i worked with alot of them at a body shop down south when i was younger....its all their goals

they put a strain on the medical system & other public services, they fuel the identity theft market.....no i'm not claiming their looking for a welfare check, but when they get hurt on the roof of a construction job, they end up in the E.R. raising the prices for the rest of us, which are already unaffordable

if americans were going to canada & putting people out of unskilled labor.....there would be a huge line of mounties waiting for em

but if your against mass illegal immigration here, you're labeled a rascist

2HousePlague · 05-13-2005, 01:48 AM

"Minutemen" !!??

The fucking audicity of that.

Never ceases to amaze me the energy people can come up with for hate. They're only too happy to leave their warm beds in the middle of the night for the chance to shoot a Mexican Terrorist. I'm sure they find pipe-bombs and blueprints for the patriotic monuments of Phoenix in their knapsacks all the time.

Silly people -- terrorists don't cross the border from Mexico in the middle of the night. They fly in from Zurich first class, on a special visa they got from a state department functionary who doesn't exist.

j-

mockingbich · 05-13-2005, 02:16 AM

I'm sick of these fucking illegals trashing my country

And I'm tired of arguing about it

Mexico can go to HELL

05-13-2005, 07:01 PM

sucks now

budz · 05-13-2005, 08:58 PM

I'm sick of labels having spanish and english, wtf !! lol

Screaming · 05-13-2005, 09:59 PM

i hate they come here and get government assistances

bringer · 05-13-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

"Minutemen" !!??

The fucking audicity of that.

Never ceases to amaze me the energy people can come up with for hate. They're only too happy to leave their warm beds in the middle of the night for the chance to shoot a Mexican Terrorist. I'm sure they find pipe-bombs and blueprints for the patriotic monuments of Phoenix in their knapsacks all the time.

Silly people -- terrorists don't cross the border from Mexico in the middle of the night. They fly in from Zurich first class, on a special visa they got from a state department functionary who doesn't exist.

j-

i guess you're against neighborhood watch programs aswell?

King Adam · 05-13-2005, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

sucks for everyone....they don't pay taxes...then they move back to mexico after they've saved up enough $ to live like a king, trust me...i worked with alot of them at a body shop down south when i was younger....its all their goals

they put a strain on the medical system & other public services, they fuel the identity theft market.....no i'm not claiming their looking for a welfare check, but when they get hurt on the roof of a construction job, they end up in the E.R. raising the prices for the rest of us, which are already unaffordable

if americans were going to canada & putting people out of unskilled labor.....there would be a huge line of mounties waiting for em

but if your against mass illegal immigration here, you're labeled a rascist

I couldn't agree more. I live in AZ and I see it all the time. I've even been driving on Route 8 to San Diego and saw a red durango pulled over with 12 "aliens" came running from the rocks in the desert into the traffic. I don't like paying for other peoples shit.

goBigtime · 05-14-2005, 01:04 AM

The bottom line of that article is:

For whatever reason (I can think of some), the government doesn't want the American people to know the true results of having those "Minutemen" guarding our borders.

And 2HousePlague... there is a simple solution to avoid those crazy muinutemen for those people trying to immigrate illegally into the country - use the front door.

If you want to become a citizen, go through the proper channels.

2HousePlague · 05-14-2005, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bringer

i guess you're against neighborhood watch programs aswell?

No, of course not -- I just lament it when the ideological thrust of such groups is taken over by xenophobia, bigotry and hate.

My post was really a response to this paragraph from the article:

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"Border Patrol agents are the front line of defense against terrorism," Chief Aguilar said, adding that the 11,000 agents nationwide are "meeting that challenge, head-on ... as daunting a task as that may sound."

I read that, and I thought what the hell does "terrorism" have to do with this? Why is this spokesman for 11,000 proud uniform wearers making it about that? It just struck me kinda funny -- almost like, today, if you're in "law enforcement" and you're not baggin' terrorists, you're not cool.

j-

goBigtime · 05-14-2005, 01:12 AM

I would bet the main reason is the government no longer wants to support or validate the efforts of armed citizens looking out for themselves and their country.

In a round-about way, it sort of reminds me of this....

God that must have scared the shit out of people back then.

pr0 · 05-14-2005, 01:16 AM

We might as well get used to it....its too late now, nothing will stop it.

I'm going to start trying to get dutch or swiss citizenship

goBigtime · 05-14-2005, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

"Minutemen" !!??

Never ceases to amaze me the energy people can come up with for hate. They're only too happy to leave their warm beds in the middle of the night for the chance to shoot a Mexican Terrorist.

And btw.... judging by the stance the government has apparently taken on reporting the true effects of that effort, I'm pretty sure if *ANY* 'mexican terrorists' were shot by these minutemen, it would be all over the fair and balanced mass media. Hell, it probably will be soon. That's probably the plan.

geeksta · 05-14-2005, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mockingbich

I'm sick of these fucking illegals trashing my country

And I'm tired of arguing about it

Mexico can go to HELL

You betcha!

goBigtime · 05-14-2005, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

We might as well get used to it....its too late now, nothing will stop it.

I'm going to start trying to get dutch or swiss citizenship

I've got a lot of Swiss relatives.

Butchers & Bankers & Chocolate Makers

pr0 · 05-14-2005, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

I've got a lot of Swiss relatives.

Butchers & Bankers & Chocolate Makers

lucky bastard

2HousePlague · 05-14-2005, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

And btw.... judging by the stance the government has apparently taken on reporting the true effects of that effort, I'm pretty sure if *ANY* 'mexican terrorists' were shot by these minutemen, it would be all over the fair and balanced mass media. Hell, it probably will be soon. That's probably the plan.

You're absolutely right -- we are surrounded by distortions --

j-

pr0 · 05-14-2005, 01:25 AM

Look at the bright side, by the time we're completely overrun with nonenglish speakers...we'll be old & retired, & probably living back in europe.

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goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	The bottom line of that article is: For whatever reason (I can think of some), the government doesn't want the American people to know the true results of having those "Minutemen" guarding our borders. And 2HousePlague... there is a simple solution to avoid those crazy muinutemen for those people trying to immigrate illegally into the country - use the front door. If you want to become a citizen, go through the proper channels.

05-14-2005, 01:12 AM	#15
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	I would bet the main reason is the government no longer wants to support or validate the efforts of armed citizens looking out for themselves and their country. In a round-about way, it sort of reminds me of this.... God that must have scared the shit out of people back then.

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pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	We might as well get used to it....its too late now, nothing will stop it. I'm going to start trying to get dutch or swiss citizenship __________________ __________ Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz)

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