nofx

theyre trying so hard to get the peons to join, its sickening. the lower class are perfect targets for their brainwashing tactics, quick money, signup bonus, etc. FUCK the armed forces. the upper class society does not join the armed forces, thats what you have the lower and middle class to fight the upper classes war for their benefits.

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Screaming

well i know they offer great incentives, i know they sent one of my friends through school for free and pay his bills and pay him a nice salary, not a horrible deal

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I am a big fan of the armed services they do a great job as a whole but the way the recruiters lie and hound people should be looked at.

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SuckOnThis

I guess if sleeping in a tent eating sandwiches full of sand and getting shot at for the next year isnt a horrible deal then by all means go enlist.

FunForOne

A lot of the recruiting comes in negotiation with city prosecutors.

Some of these kids get the "you have two options" speech from a judge.

1) Go to prison
2) Go to the military


Not a bad decision for some of them. I know two guys today that were given that option out of high school. It worked out pretty good for them.

kmanrox

uhm if he doesnt show up to the recruiting station and he is in the delayed entry program, he can be arrested

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JSA Matt

I smell a draft coming

FunForOne

Wouldn't that validate the democrat campaign promises?


Not going to happen, but there is always hope that the democrats predicted something right.

warlock5

Interesting, this right when it is announced that they missed their recruiting goals by 49%!

pussyluver

Hey! They are calling up guys in their 50s that served their time already. Something is wrong.

Rich

Honestly I don't see why they don't just have a draft. They need more troops, they can't get them through volunteering, the population apparently supports the wars, what the problem is?

jacked

one day and they expect to evaluate/review 7500 of their recruiters?

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Wilbo

They need a good draft..........it would cut down on the competition for the hot young chicks

Rich

You're not eligible I take it?

The thing is, if they do have a draft, they plan drafting chicks as well. I'm thinking Canada is going to love all the draft-dodging babes.

escorpio

I actually agree with the little fucker. Congrats on the intelligent post.

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riddler

to say upper class people dont join is fucking stupid, I've known a few friends that wouldnt have to work a day in their life join the military just because they loved armed forces type shit and little behold they became high ranking snipers..

escorpio

"a few friends"
Now that's fucking stupid.

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nofx

bump.......

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mockingbich

Yes - the plan is for something called "national service"

The democrats will fight a draft and destroy the Republicans...But democrats and republicans both like the idea of national service

All males and females aged 18-27 will have to serve mandatory national service. They can decide how they will serve... they can join the military, health care system.. or whatever

So its win win for the parties. Republicans get their oil police... Democrats get their nanny state

This will probably happen after the next terror attack

Its the beginning of the end of America, when the government controls you from kindergarten to 27...it's only a matter of time until the control everything

directfiesta

also known as " Freedom choice"

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recruiters will do anything to get u in, I saw a marine recruiter when I was gettin out of high school, he told me not to worry about passing a drug test, if anything showed up in my system he'd write it up as me being at a party where people were smoking hash and that it was "2nd hand" thc showing up in my system.

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bringer

well no shit. you think a kid at harvard is going to signup for the military to get $5000 signup bonus and $1200/month? i guess the rich should dig ditches and pick fruit too.

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beemk

time to move to windsor.

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WarChild

I thought I read something not too long ago about Canada changing its laws to facilitate deportation of draft dodgers?

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BVF

if I was broke and didn't have a family I'd join the military in a heartbeat. I was in the Navy reserves and I think the navy is a good place for young people to go. I didn't do too well with it myself but I made money other ways. But for the average ignorant young person, the Navy is a GREAT option....The women are clean and willing to fuck. You don't really have to fight, you see the world, and you get paid.

I don't give a shit. If my porn career was destroyed, I would re-enlist in the navy and go fuck some hoes. Since I'm educated, I didn't have to do hard labor.

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Jim Neil

Since you can read this thank a teacher.
Since it's English thank a soldier.

A lot of you have seen that in the past im sure.
If no one wants to serve bring the draft back in. Me being a military man I have no respect for draft dodgers. If you want to live in a free country there are prices to pay to ensure that freedom lives on for your family and friends.
That being said...

I also think its sad how much money we spend on defense and how little we spend on education. "I joined the military so they would pay for my college" is not a good reason. There should be no reason one has to do this. Make college CHEAPER and get more people in school. This will solve a lot of America's problems (not all though we still have people making fake nicks on GFY making BS fucking POINTLESS posts ). And for this I blame the government and the citizens of the US. You can see how we prioritize spending in our country.

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I came from an upper class family with loads of money. I was also a straight A student who graduated high school in three years instead of the normal four. I wasn't too excited about college, so I goofed off for a bit - and got into using drugs and petty crime.

I have no idea what prompted me to join the United States Marines but every day of my life I thank God I did. It was the Marines who made who I am today, and I am a better person for it.

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Rich

That's almost true, they didn't change any laws but they did make an agreement with the US, but that was when our Liberals had what seemed to be a bulletproof majority government for over a decade. Now they have one of the most fragile minority governments our country has ever seen because they got busted stealing money (what Americans think of as politics as usual, giving kickbacks to party friendly companies). They can't afford to make any more unpopular moves. Canadians would never allow our government to start deporting draft dodgers, it's never going to happen. The support for the neo-con wars is only slightly higher in Canada than it is in the rest of the world, below 25% I believe. The next one they start will make things ever worse.

Canada will always be a safe haven when America starts fucking it's own citizens, slaves, draft dodgers, what have you. That's the point of Canada, we're America's rational little brother.

Rich

Explain to me how Vietnam or Iraq have anything to do with English or the supposed "freedom" Americans have. I don't think there was a huge problem with WWII draft dodgers. I'd be the first guy lined up to defend my country if it were threatened, but I'd rather go to jail for the rest of my life than be shipped overseas to kill defenseless poor people in an unjust, illegal war that's doing nothing but taking more money out of the hands of lower class citizens and putting it into the hands of war profiteers.

That being said, I agree with the second part of your post.

Rich

Ok, so the volunteer army is full of poor people, along with drug users and criminals. What point are you making?

Jim Neil

"By the late 1950?s the Americans developed the ?Domino Theory? as a justification for the involvement. This theory stated, ?If South Vietnam falls to the Communist, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, India and Pakistan would also fall like dominos. The Pacific Islands and even Australia could be at risk?. " http://www.learnhistory.org.uk/vietnam/reasons.htm

If one country falls, they all fall. At the time this was a big deal. It forced us to go help. Perhaps its not the best answer, but it does fit the bill.
And as far as Iraq goes... AT THE TIME when we first invaded, our country thought it was the best thing to do. If there was more out cry we would not have done it. As the war progressed we have seen that "there was a flaw". The flaw was that people were lieing to get us to war.
As has been stated in past threads, i dont think that Americans really care what goes on. They all think "hey, its not me over there" when the reality is it could be anyone over there fighting. A draft might actually make people start to care when \ if we goto war.
And i couldn't agree with you more. Alot of people are making ALOT of cash from this war. On all the shit that is bought and contracts that are given out. Its a huge waste of American money. We really cant just up and leave right now though. That would be doing a MAJOR disservice to the country of Iraq.

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kenny

Still the best military in the world isn't it?

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Rich

I realize that was the justification given to the people, obviously the guys in charge didn't believe that any more than the neo-cons believed that Iraq was a threat.

There was plenty of outcry before the Iraq war, the American media just ignored it. The largest number of protesters worldwide in history gathered before the war started. Most cities in the world had protests. Almost everyone outside of America realized that the war was wrong, because they aren't subjected to the US cocoon where the only truth is what they tell you. The neo-cons knew exactly what they were doing, they weren't afraid of Iraq's WMD capabilities, they knew they had none. The entire war hysteria was a pre-fabricated show to convince Americans that the war was the right thing to do so the robber barons could loot hundreds of billions of dollars from the treasury that should be going to things like educating children and proving health care for poor people. You didn't know that the war was the wrong thing to do because they didn't let you know that.

You say that leaving Iraq now would do a disservice to the country of Iraq, it's important to realize that's just the lie that they're feeding you now. The war is going to continue until Americans leave, you're not helping anybody by staying there. The resistance will never stop while an American puppet government is allowing US corporations to loot the country's natural resources, which is exactly what's happening. The people of Iraq want American troops gone, that's why they were so enthusiastic about voting, they all thought they were voting to get rid of the occupation. Of course that's not how it was reported in the USA, but everyone else in the world knows that. In five years once you're forced out, you'll say the same thing about wanting to stay there as you say now about starting the war, we didn't know. There's a reason you don't know, and it's NOT because the people in charge don't know. It's because they don't want YOU to know.

The media tells you over and over again that Americans don't care what the rest of the world thinks, and they insult allied countries where the opposition is the greatest. That's so no one pays attention to the legitimate objections people outside the bubble have.

The US media doesn't tell you what's going on, they tell you how to think.

escorpio

The point is that perhaps the powerful upper class and politicians wouldn't be so quick to support a war THEIR offspring were being shipped off to.

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Rich

Yup, you're the best.

Now go waive a flag or hum the national anthem or whatever you mindless drones do with yourself.

Rich

oh yeah, I'm sure the Bush twins would be on the first plane to Iraq if the draft happened.

kenny

Better that then sitting around bitching and moaning about the USA all the time..

Wouldn't you agree?

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escorpio

The privledged get to avoid the draft through deferments. My point is not that rich kids should be forced into the military to "make things equal", but that politicians seem to consider the children of others more expendable.

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Rich

You're completely right about that. I thought you meant that a draft would send the ruling class's kids to war.

Rich

No it's not, not even close, but even it it were when have I ever bitched about the USA? People discussing things is only "bitching" to people who don't have the mental capacity to have a conversation. People talking about the failures and corruption of government is one of the most important things in any society. When conversation is muted fascism takes over.

Not to mention, your definition of "all the time" is pretty fucked up.

escorpio

Like it did during Viet Nam?

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kenny

Subjective Criticism and debate is one thing.. going out of your way to rag on the United States with every given opportunity is another.

And yes. There are people that literally do this all the time.

Regardless of the issue their position being of that of a anti-USA agenda.

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Rich

The only reason you see people like that is because you've spent your entire life hearing things through the corporate filter, school and news. That's all I'm going to say.

Sergio1234

Similiar to Starship Troopers, everyone had to serve to be considered a citizen

reynold

that is right xclusive.