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Sally · 01-21-2002, 06:20 AM

In the 1970s and 1980s, Somalia was ruled by a puppet president of the US and the oil companies, Mohamed Siad Barre.
Siad Barre had leased nearly two-thirds of Somalia to four huge American oil companies: Conoco, Chevron, Phillips, and Amoco.
The land contained substantial quantities of oil and natural gas.
People were starving, while the US owned oil companies raped the country of its natural resources.
Millions were paid to the people in charge by the US government who fully supported everything that was going on.
In 1991, the people rose up against the US puppet dictator and oil companies and took back their country.
Unfortunately for the oil giants, Siad Barre was overthrown, and he fled the country. Somalia ? as a functioning nation state with which they could do business ? fell apart. The oil giants' exclusive concessions to explore and drill were worthless in the absence of a viable government to enforce their claims.
In the early 1990s, the CIA and US government created various humanitarian disasters to give a case for them to send troops in and get control of the oil again.
For the United States to spearhead a United Nations mission to Somalia was, from a humanitarian viewpoint, capricious. But, citing famine in Mogadishu and in the southern part of the country, and an urgent need to restore order, President Bush I sent in the Marines.
The United States meant business in Somalia: this was obvious from the location of the American embassy, established a few days before the US marines arrived in Mogadishu, in the Conoco corporate compound. The Los Angeles Times reported that Bush's special envoy to Somalia had used the Conoco compound as his temporary headquarters.
The marines ? along with their United Nations "partners" ? settled down to their tasks of guarding American oil men and disarming the unruly populace. It didn't go well. On 7 May 1993, the Canadian press reported that elite Airborne Regiment Commandos in Somalia had tortured and murdered a civilian teenager, Shidane Arone. Other reports of murder by Canadian peacekeepers followed.
As for the Americans, having encouraged the ambitions of a Somali general and clan leader, Mohammed Aideed, they decided that Aideed was their enemy. Half-a-dozen "United Nations" missions were dispatched to capture him. All failed.
On 3 October 1993, a team of so-called "elite troops" ? Delta Force Rangers ? tried to capture Aideed again, in central Mogadishu. Aideed wasn't there, but the American troops became confused. Shortly after, they were surrounded by angry crowds. In the massacre that followed, between 500 and 1,000 Somalis, many of them women, children, and old people, were killed. Eighteen Americans also died.
Of course, it is the American deaths, and the TV image of a couple of American bodies being dragged by enraged Somalis, rather than guilt over the massacre of hundreds of Africans, that haunts the popular-American-media mind.
In the aftermath of 3 October 1993, various articles appeared about the shootout/massacre, including internet postings by Mark Bowden and pieces in the Philadelphia Inquirer. In 1999, Bowden's book Black Hawk Down appeared.
It's interesting to observe how the story was re-told over that time. An article by the former Independent correspondent Richard Dowden the previous year makes the clear point that US troops killed unarmed men, women and children from the outset of their mission: "In one incident, Rangers took a family hostage. When one of the women started screaming at the Americans, she was shot dead. In another incident, a Somali prisoner was allegedly shot dead when he refused to stop praying outside. Another was clubbed into silence. The killer is not identified." Dowden's original articles contain these horror stories. But his book does not. Instead, Black Hawk Down gives us lashings of extraordinary heroism in the face of blah, blah, blah. Rolf Harris singing "Two Little Boys". Sanitized and deodorized Death From Above.
The author of Black Hawk Down is aware of the problem with these "elite, superior, special forces": they are all white. But he doesn't deal with what that elite whiteness means, or where it leads. The American elite forces couldn't perform their central role in Somalia ? to protect the oil business ? because they were white racists, untrained and unable to relate to a humanitarian mission in Africa, even when corporate money was involved. The House Armed Services Committee laid the problem on the line the following year, 1994, in a comprehensive report on the state of racial affairs within the US military ? An Assessment of Racial Discrimination in the Military: a Global Perspective, 30 December 1994, US Government Printing Office.
The committee sent investigators to 19 military bases at home and abroad, where they interviewed 2,000 randomly selected GIs. They found that overt racism was "commonplace" at four of the bases, and that inadequate training in racial awareness was a widespread problem.
Another task force, which investigated organised racism in the US Army, said the problem was particularly serious in all-white, so-called "elite" and "Special Operations" units. Such racial separatism could lead to problems, its report warned, because it "foster[s] supremacist attitudes among white combat soldiers". (The Secretary of the Army's Task Force Report on Extremist Activities, Defending American Values, 21 March 1996, Washington DC, page 15.)
The Somalia mission ended in disarray. The Americans and the "United Nations" allies left. In the aftermath of the massacre, Canada, Italy and Belgium all held enquiries into the excesses of their troops. Canada put several "elite" white soldiers, who had tortured and killed Somalis, on trial. The US has never held any public investigation or reprimanded any of its commanders or troops for what went on in Somalia.
Now the US prepares for another mission to Mogadishu. It may take the form of bombings, or of a poor Somali academic, harassed by the State Department and CIA into offering himself up as sacrificial prime minister in another doomed governance experiment. It involves a substantial propaganda angle. The oil business is all powerful, and must be obeyed.
Ewan McGregor's character: elite, white GI John "Stebby" Stebbins, renamed as Company Clerk John Grimes in the film, who is now serving a 30-year sentence in Fort Leavenworth military prison for raping a 12-year-old girl. Massacres and rapes are horrible things. No one would stoop to glorify, or justify them, would they?

Sally · 01-21-2002, 06:25 AM

All this in the name of the Oil companies!
Shouldnt we be saying "God Bless the Oil Companies"?

[Labret] · 01-21-2002, 06:25 AM

Fuck off Packer.

waste · 01-21-2002, 06:43 AM

sally if you really don't like america and it's tactics........ LEAVE!!!!!!!

onlyreal · 01-21-2002, 07:00 AM

anythink new? this is what america doing for years

nothing new

Quote:

Originally posted by Sally:
In the 1970s and 1980s, Somalia was ruled by a puppet president of the US and the oil companies, Mohamed Siad Barre.
Siad Barre had leased nearly two-thirds of Somalia to four huge American oil companies: Conoco, Chevron, Phillips, and Amoco.
The land contained substantial quantities of oil and natural gas.
People were starving, while the US owned oil companies raped the country of its natural resources.
Millions were paid to the people in charge by the US government who fully supported everything that was going on.
In 1991, the people rose up against the US puppet dictator and oil companies and took back their country.
Unfortunately for the oil giants, Siad Barre was overthrown, and he fled the country. Somalia ? as a functioning nation state with which they could do business ? fell apart. The oil giants' exclusive concessions to explore and drill were worthless in the absence of a viable government to enforce their claims.
In the early 1990s, the CIA and US government created various humanitarian disasters to give a case for them to send troops in and get control of the oil again.
For the United States to spearhead a United Nations mission to Somalia was, from a humanitarian viewpoint, capricious. But, citing famine in Mogadishu and in the southern part of the country, and an urgent need to restore order, President Bush I sent in the Marines.
The United States meant business in Somalia: this was obvious from the location of the American embassy, established a few days before the US marines arrived in Mogadishu, in the Conoco corporate compound. The Los Angeles Times reported that Bush's special envoy to Somalia had used the Conoco compound as his temporary headquarters.
The marines ? along with their United Nations "partners" ? settled down to their tasks of guarding American oil men and disarming the unruly populace. It didn't go well. On 7 May 1993, the Canadian press reported that elite Airborne Regiment Commandos in Somalia had tortured and murdered a civilian teenager, Shidane Arone. Other reports of murder by Canadian peacekeepers followed.
As for the Americans, having encouraged the ambitions of a Somali general and clan leader, Mohammed Aideed, they decided that Aideed was their enemy. Half-a-dozen "United Nations" missions were dispatched to capture him. All failed.
On 3 October 1993, a team of so-called "elite troops" ? Delta Force Rangers ? tried to capture Aideed again, in central Mogadishu. Aideed wasn't there, but the American troops became confused. Shortly after, they were surrounded by angry crowds. In the massacre that followed, between 500 and 1,000 Somalis, many of them women, children, and old people, were killed. Eighteen Americans also died.
Of course, it is the American deaths, and the TV image of a couple of American bodies being dragged by enraged Somalis, rather than guilt over the massacre of hundreds of Africans, that haunts the popular-American-media mind.
In the aftermath of 3 October 1993, various articles appeared about the shootout/massacre, including internet postings by Mark Bowden and pieces in the Philadelphia Inquirer. In 1999, Bowden's book Black Hawk Down appeared.
It's interesting to observe how the story was re-told over that time. An article by the former Independent correspondent Richard Dowden the previous year makes the clear point that US troops killed unarmed men, women and children from the outset of their mission: "In one incident, Rangers took a family hostage. When one of the women started screaming at the Americans, she was shot dead. In another incident, a Somali prisoner was allegedly shot dead when he refused to stop praying outside. Another was clubbed into silence. The killer is not identified." Dowden's original articles contain these horror stories. But his book does not. Instead, Black Hawk Down gives us lashings of extraordinary heroism in the face of blah, blah, blah. Rolf Harris singing "Two Little Boys". Sanitized and deodorized Death From Above.
The author of Black Hawk Down is aware of the problem with these "elite, superior, special forces": they are all white. But he doesn't deal with what that elite whiteness means, or where it leads. The American elite forces couldn't perform their central role in Somalia ? to protect the oil business ? because they were white racists, untrained and unable to relate to a humanitarian mission in Africa, even when corporate money was involved. The House Armed Services Committee laid the problem on the line the following year, 1994, in a comprehensive report on the state of racial affairs within the US military ? An Assessment of Racial Discrimination in the Military: a Global Perspective, 30 December 1994, US Government Printing Office.
The committee sent investigators to 19 military bases at home and abroad, where they interviewed 2,000 randomly selected GIs. They found that overt racism was "commonplace" at four of the bases, and that inadequate training in racial awareness was a widespread problem.
Another task force, which investigated organised racism in the US Army, said the problem was particularly serious in all-white, so-called "elite" and "Special Operations" units. Such racial separatism could lead to problems, its report warned, because it "foster[s] supremacist attitudes among white combat soldiers". (The Secretary of the Army's Task Force Report on Extremist Activities, Defending American Values, 21 March 1996, Washington DC, page 15.)
The Somalia mission ended in disarray. The Americans and the "United Nations" allies left. In the aftermath of the massacre, Canada, Italy and Belgium all held enquiries into the excesses of their troops. Canada put several "elite" white soldiers, who had tortured and killed Somalis, on trial. The US has never held any public investigation or reprimanded any of its commanders or troops for what went on in Somalia.
Now the US prepares for another mission to Mogadishu. It may take the form of bombings, or of a poor Somali academic, harassed by the State Department and CIA into offering himself up as sacrificial prime minister in another doomed governance experiment. It involves a substantial propaganda angle. The oil business is all powerful, and must be obeyed.
Ewan McGregor's character: elite, white GI John "Stebby" Stebbins, renamed as Company Clerk John Grimes in the film, who is now serving a 30-year sentence in Fort Leavenworth military prison for raping a 12-year-old girl. Massacres and rapes are horrible things. No one would stoop to glorify, or justify them, would they?

[Labret] · 01-21-2002, 07:10 AM

Hey... whatever it takes to keep my cable modem and Tivo running. Its all good.

I love the pics coming out of the Al Queda / Taliban prisoners at Guantanamo Bay

On the gravel, shackled, gagged, and blindfolded.

Holy shit all I would need is a 12 pack and a ballpeen hammer and its fucking party time.

All their fingers and toes would be dangly mush flaps when I got done.

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Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 07:11 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/27/ret....somalia.cnna/

Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 07:15 AM

Yea heaven forbid possible terroist be shackled before they are admidted as possible suspescted in to the arm of law...

Here is another good read for you..
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe...uba/index.html

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Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 07:21 AM

Keep in mind they are there as being suspect to some of the most dangerous people in the world. Heaven forbid they be shackled and not aloud to run free. Jesus fucking christ.. Poor terroistis. They can't open walk around and plot blowing up inconcent people. The people locked up there are not there for no reason. They get food, hell they even got an arrow pointing so they can pray. I think they have it easy comapred to the shit cave they were hiding in before they got caught.. At least they get 3 meals a day...

Chris R · 01-21-2002, 07:37 AM

Sally,

You are wasting your time on 90% of the people on this board. Despite the fact that almost everyone on here sells porn - which you could be executed for in some countries - no one seems to give a crap about anyone elses freedoms except theirs.

People are willing to sell the constitution out for a pocket full of promises. I see people on the news talking about how we need to give up our a little bit of our freedoms to protect ourselves. This is BS. Wait until your freedoms are taken away and see how you feel.

Everyone was playing up this guy as a terrorist:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/01/11/inv...ged/index.html

"Assistant U.S. Attorney Dan Himmelfarb said Higazy and the radio are "a potentially quite significant part" of the investigation into the September 11 attacks."

Well he wasn't
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/G...nee_freed.html

Luckily (for him) we found out in time and he was freed. He isn't bitter. But, if this had been a military tribunal - he would most likely have been executed. It is likely his neighbor would have never known to come forward - as they are much more secretive.

But we need them to protect ourselves? Bullshit. Anyone who belive that is the worst type of traitor in my mind. Willing to sell out for nothing - at least traitors usually get something for selling out. We had no problems finding out who did this in a matter of days under existing laws. It still hasn't prevented people from crashing into buildings (FL) or bringing bombs onto airplanes (shoe). Nothing will prevent the thousands of stinger missles left being loaded onto ships a year from now - heading up the sea towards spain - to shoot down airliners.

Sorry for digressing, but you are wasting your time. The racist bigots on this board will shout you down everytime. They see anything that questions the US as Anti US. Sixty Years ago we were putting Japanese into camps - and openly & legally discriminating against blacks. People that protested back then were Anti-American too.

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Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 07:50 AM

Yes heaven forbid we might take, as some see, drastic measure to do our best to assure another 6,000 people don't get killed by terroists. Heaven forbid we have a movie that gives tribute that those that died from the US armed forces. The same US armed forces that protect our rights, that includes selling porn online. So you go and and discredit the Americans that died. Maybe it was a wrong situation that we should not have been involved in. However, with out those same brave people you would not have the freedoms that you so much enjoy. Having been a member of the armed forces myself and having known several brave people that died as members of the armed forces, even during peace time, I welcome you to kiss my dick as a sign of respect for those brave people that died so you have the right to talk so much shit in an open forum..

Gary · 01-21-2002, 07:56 AM

Sally, I understand what your saying, that the Somali's are animals and should all die, and i agree with you on that point. But i gotta disagree with the rest of your post.

12clicks · 01-21-2002, 08:00 AM

ChrisR must be a closet towel head.

Sally, if I were you, I'd make my words count and stop heating your home with the Dirty stinking American's oil and natural gas and also stop driving around in your car (or more likely in your case, riding the bus)

Chris R · 01-21-2002, 08:02 AM

Sorry Flea,

But the conflicts in Somalia, Iraq, and the like have done little to nothing to secure my freedoms. My freedoms were guaranteed 200 years ago under the constitution. Just because someone is in the military - it doesn't mean they are a hero. Most of the freedoms enjoyed now a days - are from people like Rosa Parks, Clarence Earl Gideon, Larry flint, and others who refuse to put up with injustices.

Don't get me wrong. I have a lot of respect for the men and women on the ground fighting for what they believe in. Dying in peace time DOES NOT make you a hero. Where people get this idea from is beyond me.

Going up a burning world trade center and getting killed = hero.

Standing on the street and getting hit by a car while you are in a firefighters uniform does not make you a hero.

I know that is seen as Anti-American, but come on. Get real. If I work inside the Pentagon when it is hit - I am a hero? The janitor there is a hero too?

Every decent person deserves to be treated with dignity - including the men and women of the armed forces. I do not dispute that. They do not deserve mythical stature by distortion of the truth no matter how they died or lived.

Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks:
ChrisR must be a closet towel head.

Sally, if I were you, I'd make my words count and stop heating your home with the Dirty stinking American's oil and natural gas and also stop driving around in your car (or more likely in your case, riding the bus)

Amen..

Chris R · 01-21-2002, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks:
ChrisR must be a closet towel head.

I'd rather be a closet towel head than an openly racist bigot - no matter how many people kiss my ass.

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12clicks · 01-21-2002, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris R:
I'd rather be a closet towel head than an openly racist bigot - no matter how many people kiss my ass.

there's nothing wrong with being a racist when the other race is out to kill you. (of course, your kind doesn't ever learn that until they're dead)

Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris R:
[B]Sorry Flea,

Just because someone is in the military - it doesn't mean they are a hero.

Dying in peace time DOES NOT make you a hero.
[B]

Um without those troops that were there in peace time and in war time what language would you be speaking right now? That's beside the point.. Would you even be aloud to post your opinions on an open forum? Would there even be an open fourm?

You are welcome to your opinion of what makes a hero. When I see a good friend of mine die in a plane crash during peace time, he is still a hero because that person was ready to defend your right to speak openly no matter what and no matter if he thought you were an asshole or not. He spent his life being prepared to defend your rights as an Amercian.. Sure there were fire fighters that died. They are heros too, the fire fighters to this day are heros because they also dedicate thier lives to protecting yours.

12clicks · 01-21-2002, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris R:
They do not deserve mythical stature by distortion of the truth no matter how they died or lived.

hahahahaha, IT'S A MOVIE!

don't you just hate the way they distorted the truth in "Star Wars"?

Slick · 01-21-2002, 08:10 AM

The thing is, look what happend a while back, when those prisoners revolted and killed one of our soldiers. We've learned from our mistakes of not being cautious the first time, that shit isn't gonna happen again.

Chris R · 01-21-2002, 08:10 AM

If that were true - I would agree. I suppose all these years of fighting foreign cheaters has made you paranoid.

Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Flea@:
Um without those troops that were there in peace time and in war time what language would you be speaking right now? That's beside the point.. Would you even be aloud to post your opinions on an open forum? Would there even be an open fourm?

You are welcome to your opinion of what makes a hero. When I see a good friend of mine die in a plane crash during peace time, he is still a hero because that person was ready to defend your right to speak openly no matter what and no matter if he thought you were an asshole or not. He spent his life being prepared to defend your rights as an Amercian.. Sure there were fire fighters that died. They are heros too, the fire fighters to this day are heros because they also dedicate thier lives to protecting yours.

Chris R · 01-21-2002, 08:18 AM

Yes - please tell me Flea, what language would I be speaking. Farsi? Somalianese?!?!

Were they invading the US? Did I miss something? You are just repeating the same old stuff repeated time and time again.

I know that every firefighter, police office, and military person believes this stuff - and that is why many of them get into it. I remember some people whining during the Gulf war - as they got into the military to get a free education - and didn't want to go to war.

Good for them, but not all these people "dedicate their lives" to protecting people. Those that do - my hat is off to them.

And I don't think George Lucas every claimed Darth Vader was real.

Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 08:20 AM

Would the US be secure with out a military force? Who knows what language you or I would be speaking. Even in peace time these are the people that secure your right to talk such bullshit. Keep that in mind.

jimmyf · 01-21-2002, 08:21 AM

Sally
Cris R
Go piss up a rope.
If you live in the USA leave.

Jim

[Labret] · 01-21-2002, 08:22 AM

Not too mention we keep Canada from harm. Everybody wants to kill those smug bastards.

Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 08:22 AM

Oh and to all the people I have known that died even indirectly securing your right to be an asshole. I dedicate this to you from them. KISS MY DICK!!

12clicks · 01-21-2002, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris R:
If that were true - I would agree. I suppose all these years of fighting foreign cheaters has made you paranoid.

if you knew your ass from a hole in the ground-you would agree.
I suppose all these months of looking at porn has kept you from learning the truth.

Gary · 01-21-2002, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]:

Not too mention we keep Canada from harm. Everybody wants to kill those smug bastards.

Hey just remember, we were the ones actually torturing young Somalis. Where were you guys when we were pulling out the bondage gear????

Chris R · 01-21-2002, 08:30 AM

Too bad I have to go...

Flea - you can believe what you want. Like you said everyone is entitled to their opinion. And the military has little to do with that - except as a last resort.

Jimmyf, once you learn how to spell and speak English - I will attempt to do so. Since when has expressing ones opinion meant they should leave the US? Perhaps you and the other rednecks can start a club to figure this out together.

12Clicks,

Your name calling logic might work on 12-year-old Russian cheaters and the 34% of the American Public that agrees with your racist positions. The rest of us don't buy it.

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[Labret] · 01-21-2002, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by Gary:

Hey just remember, we were the ones actually torturing young Somalis. Where were you guys when we were pulling out the bondage gear????

Get out, Canada spits in the face of the Geneva Convention and utilizes torture?

If so I will have to rethink my position on stealing Canadian flags every time I go to Windsor.

playa · 01-21-2002, 08:35 AM

what a fucking biased news story,,,
as a former Army veteran i can tell you that story is just bullshit,,

and then fucked around and played the race card,,,

everyone knows that Osama Bin laden was behind the somalia incident. and reporters start throwing in the killing "INNOCENT" women and children,, fucking bullshit

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12clicks · 01-21-2002, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris R:
Too bad I have to go...

12Clicks,

Your name calling logic might work on 12-year-old Russian cheaters and the 34% of the American Public that agrees with your racist positions. The rest of us don't buy it.

You've got no place to go, you just can't support your bullshit (again).

I haven't called anyone names. is this your idea of spin and run?
come back when you know what you're talking about.

Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris R:
Too bad I have to go...

And the military has little to do with that - except as a last resort.

As a Vet and having spent years busting my ass in training and in a few combat situations, I think you are full of shit. It would be interesting when I was in, if the US had come under attack and I saw you as a civlilian in harms way. Yes I would have done my best to save you. Despite the fact that I think you are an asshole and discredit all those in the US Armed Forces that died even in peace time to allow you to be an idiot.

Out of respect for my fallen brothers I once again welcome you to KISS MY DICK!!

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Gary · 01-21-2002, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]:
Get out, Canada spits in the face of the Geneva Convention and utilizes torture?

If so I will have to rethink my position on stealing Canadian flags every time I go to Windsor.

Absolutely. We can hold our own agains any country when it comes to torture. Sure, we dont like to talk about it much, but the Chinese Water Torture was originally called the Canadian Water Torture.

vegasdude · 01-21-2002, 08:39 AM

Chris R u sux!
Sally sux ya dick!

vegasdude · 01-21-2002, 08:42 AM

but I guezz cuz we're pushing the limits of bad taste by selling porn WE must be the devils's own....

Huh?

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Chris R · 01-21-2002, 08:43 AM

Don't worry - I haven't forgotten about you. I really do have to go soon. Feel free to call me if you want to discuss this

My cell phone is listed on my whois listing.

What can I not support? Closet Towel Head is a name that doesn't mean anything. Openly Racist does. Perhaps I just do not understand the term as you mean it. Are you claiming you think I am an Arab, but am afraid to admit it?

Also, ass from a hole in the ground. I will be able to point out both to you at the next convention - as it is at a golf course with a bunch of holes. I will bet any amount of money that I can identify the two correctly.

Anyway - I really do have to go. I will be back later if this thread is still on the first page - I promise. Like I said - you can call me anytime.

12clicks · 01-21-2002, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris R:
Like I said - you can call me anytime.

doesn't spacedog say the same thing?

Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 08:50 AM

I suggest this thread get closed so the cunt does not get a prize.

Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Flea@:
I suggest this thread get closed so the cunt does not get a prize for being an idiot...

12clicks · 01-21-2002, 08:55 AM

hehe, he's a momentary diversion.
if it weren't such a slow day, he'd go unnoticed.

"hey, call my cell. its listed in my profile"

does that scream, "friendless" to anyone else or is it just me?

Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 08:56 AM

Oh and I would aslo like to welcome Sally and Chris R to move to China as immegrants. Anyone want to sponser that? They could be a couple of course they could only have one kid or be fined or even imprissioned. Then if they speak out about those laws they could also be thrown in jail. Any one want to buy them a ticket to China?

jimmyf · 01-21-2002, 08:56 AM

Ok
Chris R you
Go piss up a rope.

Then trot you ass on over and help Sally pack
her bags, then leave the USA.

Jim

quiet · 01-21-2002, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary:
Absolutely. We can hold our own agains any country when it comes to torture. Sure, we dont like to talk about it much, but the Chinese Water Torture was originally called the Canadian Water Torture.

it's true. and since it's Canada, you can get your torture in both french and english.

Gary · 01-21-2002, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet:
it's true. and since it's Canada, you can get your torture in both french and english.

Its true, plus you can collect welfare while being held in our torture facilities.

quiet · 01-21-2002, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary:

Its true, plus you can collect welfare while being held in our torture facilities.

not only that, up until a couple years ago you would recieve top notch FREE health care after your torture.

Gary · 01-21-2002, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet:
not only that, up until a couple years ago you would recieve top notch FREE health care after your torture.

Unfortunately, now you have to pay a 2 dollar service fee to get the 2 million in medical care. BUT, we do take somali currency.

playa · 01-21-2002, 09:44 AM

Chris R,

When you "VOLUNTEER" to actively participate in the armed forces,,then you are considered to a special status,,ie hero,,
peace time or wartime it doesn't make a difference,,
there is a saying in the Army
"Train as you Fight"
the military spends 95% of the time in training and people died..

check out any US employment application.
why do they always ask if your prior military?
because they put it in a seperate pile called hero

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Flea@ · 01-21-2002, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by playa:
Chris R,

When you "VOLUNTEER" to actively participate in the armed forces,,then you are considered to a special status,,ie hero,,
peace time or wartime it doesn't make a difference,,
there is a saying in the Army
"Train as you Fight"
the military spends 95% of the time in training and people died..

check out any US employment application.
why do they always ask if your prior military?
because they put it in a seperate pile called hero

AHh it's ok.. Cris R does not understand that his basic freedoms have been protected for years and years by people that were in the military, even during peace time. To people like him they are a waste of tax payers dollars. Until of course his lively hood or security might be threatened then he will start screaming, "Where is the military? Please someone save my livelyhood."

01-21-2002, 06:20 AM	#1
Sally Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 24	Black hawk down brainwashing In the 1970s and 1980s, Somalia was ruled by a puppet president of the US and the oil companies, Mohamed Siad Barre. Siad Barre had leased nearly two-thirds of Somalia to four huge American oil companies: Conoco, Chevron, Phillips, and Amoco. The land contained substantial quantities of oil and natural gas. People were starving, while the US owned oil companies raped the country of its natural resources. Millions were paid to the people in charge by the US government who fully supported everything that was going on. In 1991, the people rose up against the US puppet dictator and oil companies and took back their country. Unfortunately for the oil giants, Siad Barre was overthrown, and he fled the country. Somalia ? as a functioning nation state with which they could do business ? fell apart. The oil giants' exclusive concessions to explore and drill were worthless in the absence of a viable government to enforce their claims. In the early 1990s, the CIA and US government created various humanitarian disasters to give a case for them to send troops in and get control of the oil again. For the United States to spearhead a United Nations mission to Somalia was, from a humanitarian viewpoint, capricious. But, citing famine in Mogadishu and in the southern part of the country, and an urgent need to restore order, President Bush I sent in the Marines. The United States meant business in Somalia: this was obvious from the location of the American embassy, established a few days before the US marines arrived in Mogadishu, in the Conoco corporate compound. The Los Angeles Times reported that Bush's special envoy to Somalia had used the Conoco compound as his temporary headquarters. The marines ? along with their United Nations "partners" ? settled down to their tasks of guarding American oil men and disarming the unruly populace. It didn't go well. On 7 May 1993, the Canadian press reported that elite Airborne Regiment Commandos in Somalia had tortured and murdered a civilian teenager, Shidane Arone. Other reports of murder by Canadian peacekeepers followed. As for the Americans, having encouraged the ambitions of a Somali general and clan leader, Mohammed Aideed, they decided that Aideed was their enemy. Half-a-dozen "United Nations" missions were dispatched to capture him. All failed. On 3 October 1993, a team of so-called "elite troops" ? Delta Force Rangers ? tried to capture Aideed again, in central Mogadishu. Aideed wasn't there, but the American troops became confused. Shortly after, they were surrounded by angry crowds. In the massacre that followed, between 500 and 1,000 Somalis, many of them women, children, and old people, were killed. Eighteen Americans also died. Of course, it is the American deaths, and the TV image of a couple of American bodies being dragged by enraged Somalis, rather than guilt over the massacre of hundreds of Africans, that haunts the popular-American-media mind. In the aftermath of 3 October 1993, various articles appeared about the shootout/massacre, including internet postings by Mark Bowden and pieces in the Philadelphia Inquirer. In 1999, Bowden's book Black Hawk Down appeared. It's interesting to observe how the story was re-told over that time. An article by the former Independent correspondent Richard Dowden the previous year makes the clear point that US troops killed unarmed men, women and children from the outset of their mission: "In one incident, Rangers took a family hostage. When one of the women started screaming at the Americans, she was shot dead. In another incident, a Somali prisoner was allegedly shot dead when he refused to stop praying outside. Another was clubbed into silence. The killer is not identified." Dowden's original articles contain these horror stories. But his book does not. Instead, Black Hawk Down gives us lashings of extraordinary heroism in the face of blah, blah, blah. Rolf Harris singing "Two Little Boys". Sanitized and deodorized Death From Above. The author of Black Hawk Down is aware of the problem with these "elite, superior, special forces": they are all white. But he doesn't deal with what that elite whiteness means, or where it leads. The American elite forces couldn't perform their central role in Somalia ? to protect the oil business ? because they were white racists, untrained and unable to relate to a humanitarian mission in Africa, even when corporate money was involved. The House Armed Services Committee laid the problem on the line the following year, 1994, in a comprehensive report on the state of racial affairs within the US military ? An Assessment of Racial Discrimination in the Military: a Global Perspective, 30 December 1994, US Government Printing Office. The committee sent investigators to 19 military bases at home and abroad, where they interviewed 2,000 randomly selected GIs. They found that overt racism was "commonplace" at four of the bases, and that inadequate training in racial awareness was a widespread problem. Another task force, which investigated organised racism in the US Army, said the problem was particularly serious in all-white, so-called "elite" and "Special Operations" units. Such racial separatism could lead to problems, its report warned, because it "foster[s] supremacist attitudes among white combat soldiers". (The Secretary of the Army's Task Force Report on Extremist Activities, Defending American Values, 21 March 1996, Washington DC, page 15.) The Somalia mission ended in disarray. The Americans and the "United Nations" allies left. In the aftermath of the massacre, Canada, Italy and Belgium all held enquiries into the excesses of their troops. Canada put several "elite" white soldiers, who had tortured and killed Somalis, on trial. The US has never held any public investigation or reprimanded any of its commanders or troops for what went on in Somalia. Now the US prepares for another mission to Mogadishu. It may take the form of bombings, or of a poor Somali academic, harassed by the State Department and CIA into offering himself up as sacrificial prime minister in another doomed governance experiment. It involves a substantial propaganda angle. The oil business is all powerful, and must be obeyed. Ewan McGregor's character: elite, white GI John "Stebby" Stebbins, renamed as Company Clerk John Grimes in the film, who is now serving a 30-year sentence in Fort Leavenworth military prison for raping a 12-year-old girl. Massacres and rapes are horrible things. No one would stoop to glorify, or justify them, would they?

01-21-2002, 06:25 AM	#2
Sally Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 24	All this in the name of the Oil companies! Shouldnt we be saying "God Bless the Oil Companies"?

01-21-2002, 06:25 AM	#3
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Fuck off Packer.

01-21-2002, 06:43 AM	#4
waste Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Baltimore Posts: 770	sally if you really don't like america and it's tactics........ LEAVE!!!!!!!

01-21-2002, 07:10 AM	#6
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Hey... whatever it takes to keep my cable modem and Tivo running. Its all good. I love the pics coming out of the Al Queda / Taliban prisoners at Guantanamo Bay On the gravel, shackled, gagged, and blindfolded. Holy shit all I would need is a 12 pack and a ballpeen hammer and its fucking party time. All their fingers and toes would be dangly mush flaps when I got done. [This message has been edited by [Labret] (edited 01-21-2002).]

01-21-2002, 07:11 AM	#7
Flea@ Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 182	http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/27/ret....somalia.cnna/

01-21-2002, 07:15 AM	#8
Flea@ Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 182	Yea heaven forbid possible terroist be shackled before they are admidted as possible suspescted in to the arm of law... Here is another good read for you.. http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe...uba/index.html [This message has been edited by Flea@ (edited 01-21-2002).]

01-21-2002, 07:21 AM	#9
Flea@ Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 182	Keep in mind they are there as being suspect to some of the most dangerous people in the world. Heaven forbid they be shackled and not aloud to run free. Jesus fucking christ.. Poor terroistis. They can't open walk around and plot blowing up inconcent people. The people locked up there are not there for no reason. They get food, hell they even got an arrow pointing so they can pray. I think they have it easy comapred to the shit cave they were hiding in before they got caught.. At least they get 3 meals a day...

01-21-2002, 07:37 AM	#10
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	Sally, You are wasting your time on 90% of the people on this board. Despite the fact that almost everyone on here sells porn - which you could be executed for in some countries - no one seems to give a crap about anyone elses freedoms except theirs. People are willing to sell the constitution out for a pocket full of promises. I see people on the news talking about how we need to give up our a little bit of our freedoms to protect ourselves. This is BS. Wait until your freedoms are taken away and see how you feel. Everyone was playing up this guy as a terrorist: http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/01/11/inv...ged/index.html "Assistant U.S. Attorney Dan Himmelfarb said Higazy and the radio are "a potentially quite significant part" of the investigation into the September 11 attacks." Well he wasn't http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/G...nee_freed.html Luckily (for him) we found out in time and he was freed. He isn't bitter. But, if this had been a military tribunal - he would most likely have been executed. It is likely his neighbor would have never known to come forward - as they are much more secretive. But we need them to protect ourselves? Bullshit. Anyone who belive that is the worst type of traitor in my mind. Willing to sell out for nothing - at least traitors usually get something for selling out. We had no problems finding out who did this in a matter of days under existing laws. It still hasn't prevented people from crashing into buildings (FL) or bringing bombs onto airplanes (shoe). Nothing will prevent the thousands of stinger missles left being loaded onto ships a year from now - heading up the sea towards spain - to shoot down airliners. Sorry for digressing, but you are wasting your time. The racist bigots on this board will shout you down everytime. They see anything that questions the US as Anti US. Sixty Years ago we were putting Japanese into camps - and openly & legally discriminating against blacks. People that protested back then were Anti-American too. ------------------ TopBucks.com - Converting at better than 1:130 David Lace Content - Highest Quality Teen Content ConversionCash.com - Make Money off your WebTV Traffic

01-21-2002, 07:50 AM	#11
Flea@ Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 182	Yes heaven forbid we might take, as some see, drastic measure to do our best to assure another 6,000 people don't get killed by terroists. Heaven forbid we have a movie that gives tribute that those that died from the US armed forces. The same US armed forces that protect our rights, that includes selling porn online. So you go and and discredit the Americans that died. Maybe it was a wrong situation that we should not have been involved in. However, with out those same brave people you would not have the freedoms that you so much enjoy. Having been a member of the armed forces myself and having known several brave people that died as members of the armed forces, even during peace time, I welcome you to kiss my dick as a sign of respect for those brave people that died so you have the right to talk so much shit in an open forum..

01-21-2002, 07:56 AM	#12
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	Sally, I understand what your saying, that the Somali's are animals and should all die, and i agree with you on that point. But i gotta disagree with the rest of your post.

01-21-2002, 08:00 AM	#13
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	ChrisR must be a closet towel head. Sally, if I were you, I'd make my words count and stop heating your home with the Dirty stinking American's oil and natural gas and also stop driving around in your car (or more likely in your case, riding the bus)

01-21-2002, 08:02 AM	#14
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	Sorry Flea, But the conflicts in Somalia, Iraq, and the like have done little to nothing to secure my freedoms. My freedoms were guaranteed 200 years ago under the constitution. Just because someone is in the military - it doesn't mean they are a hero. Most of the freedoms enjoyed now a days - are from people like Rosa Parks, Clarence Earl Gideon, Larry flint, and others who refuse to put up with injustices. Don't get me wrong. I have a lot of respect for the men and women on the ground fighting for what they believe in. Dying in peace time DOES NOT make you a hero. Where people get this idea from is beyond me. Going up a burning world trade center and getting killed = hero. Standing on the street and getting hit by a car while you are in a firefighters uniform does not make you a hero. I know that is seen as Anti-American, but come on. Get real. If I work inside the Pentagon when it is hit - I am a hero? The janitor there is a hero too? Every decent person deserves to be treated with dignity - including the men and women of the armed forces. I do not dispute that. They do not deserve mythical stature by distortion of the truth no matter how they died or lived.

01-21-2002, 08:10 AM	#20
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	The thing is, look what happend a while back, when those prisoners revolted and killed one of our soldiers. We've learned from our mistakes of not being cautious the first time, that shit isn't gonna happen again.

01-21-2002, 08:18 AM	#23
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	Yes - please tell me Flea, what language would I be speaking. Farsi? Somalianese?!?! Were they invading the US? Did I miss something? You are just repeating the same old stuff repeated time and time again. I know that every firefighter, police office, and military person believes this stuff - and that is why many of them get into it. I remember some people whining during the Gulf war - as they got into the military to get a free education - and didn't want to go to war. Good for them, but not all these people "dedicate their lives" to protecting people. Those that do - my hat is off to them. And I don't think George Lucas every claimed Darth Vader was real.

01-21-2002, 08:20 AM	#24
Flea@ Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 182	Would the US be secure with out a military force? Who knows what language you or I would be speaking. Even in peace time these are the people that secure your right to talk such bullshit. Keep that in mind.

01-21-2002, 08:21 AM	#25
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	Sally Cris R Go piss up a rope. If you live in the USA leave. Jim

01-21-2002, 08:22 AM	#26
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Not too mention we keep Canada from harm. Everybody wants to kill those smug bastards.

01-21-2002, 08:30 AM	#30
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	Too bad I have to go... Flea - you can believe what you want. Like you said everyone is entitled to their opinion. And the military has little to do with that - except as a last resort. Jimmyf, once you learn how to spell and speak English - I will attempt to do so. Since when has expressing ones opinion meant they should leave the US? Perhaps you and the other rednecks can start a club to figure this out together. 12Clicks, Your name calling logic might work on 12-year-old Russian cheaters and the 34% of the American Public that agrees with your racist positions. The rest of us don't buy it. ------------------ TopBucks.com - Converting at better than 1:130 David Lace Content - Highest Quality Teen Content ConversionCash.com - Make Money off your WebTV Traffic

01-21-2002, 08:35 AM	#32
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	what a fucking biased news story,,, as a former Army veteran i can tell you that story is just bullshit,, and then fucked around and played the race card,,, everyone knows that Osama Bin laden was behind the somalia incident. and reporters start throwing in the killing "INNOCENT" women and children,, fucking bullshit ------------------ www.NoBSdialer.com Sign up for Click Cash and Get a $50 free bonus Nice Clean Galleries

01-21-2002, 08:39 AM	#36
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	Chris R u sux! Sally sux ya dick!

01-21-2002, 08:42 AM	#37
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	but I guezz cuz we're pushing the limits of bad taste by selling porn WE must be the devils's own.... Huh? [This message has been edited by vegasdude (edited 01-21-2002).]

01-21-2002, 08:43 AM	#38
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	Don't worry - I haven't forgotten about you. I really do have to go soon. Feel free to call me if you want to discuss this My cell phone is listed on my whois listing. What can I not support? Closet Towel Head is a name that doesn't mean anything. Openly Racist does. Perhaps I just do not understand the term as you mean it. Are you claiming you think I am an Arab, but am afraid to admit it? Also, ass from a hole in the ground. I will be able to point out both to you at the next convention - as it is at a golf course with a bunch of holes. I will bet any amount of money that I can identify the two correctly. Anyway - I really do have to go. I will be back later if this thread is still on the first page - I promise. Like I said - you can call me anytime.

01-21-2002, 08:50 AM	#40
Flea@ Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 182	I suggest this thread get closed so the cunt does not get a prize.

01-21-2002, 08:55 AM	#42
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	hehe, he's a momentary diversion. if it weren't such a slow day, he'd go unnoticed. "hey, call my cell. its listed in my profile" does that scream, "friendless" to anyone else or is it just me?

01-21-2002, 08:56 AM	#43
Flea@ Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 182	Oh and I would aslo like to welcome Sally and Chris R to move to China as immegrants. Anyone want to sponser that? They could be a couple of course they could only have one kid or be fined or even imprissioned. Then if they speak out about those laws they could also be thrown in jail. Any one want to buy them a ticket to China?

01-21-2002, 09:44 AM	#49
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	Chris R, When you "VOLUNTEER" to actively participate in the armed forces,,then you are considered to a special status,,ie hero,, peace time or wartime it doesn't make a difference,, there is a saying in the Army "Train as you Fight" the military spends 95% of the time in training and people died.. check out any US employment application. why do they always ask if your prior military? because they put it in a seperate pile called hero ------------------ www.NoBSdialer.com Sign up for Click Cash and Get a $50 free bonus Nice Clean Galleries