2 Basic SEO Rules, bitches! - GoFuckYourself.com

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 01:25 PM

At first, i was linking my site and buying hardlinks on any and every site on the goddamn net. But that didnt help improve my PR at all. Now, i cleand up my sites completly, and i have a PR6! The hardest PR to get to i think is 6, because i went to 5 really easy. Then it was stuck on 5 for a long ass time. I think most of you know this already right? Whatever i will post is for the n00bs.

2 Basic Rules when buying PR links.

1. RULE #1 Sites should have less than 20 outgoing links per page.
An outgoing link is like a vote for another website. Have too many links and the value of the vote diminishes. Search engines recommend a limit of 20 outgoing links per webpage in order to 'pass PageRank'. We have a strict limit of less than 20 outgoing links per page.

2. RULE #2 Your link must be on a webpage editorially relevant to your website. Too many webmasters make the mistake of buying links based solely on PageRank. Search engines will immediately recognize your link is out of context. The text link is obviously a purchase or trade and is devalued for search engine rankings. We are an international news website, offering editorial & commentary on news, trends, business, etc. A fit for products & services with a broad-based audience.

BigRod · 05-09-2005, 01:28 PM

I think the hardest PR to get is 10 :P

Downtime · 05-09-2005, 01:28 PM

bump! thanks for the info!

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 01:28 PM

Sorry, ignore the "We are an international news website, offering editorial & commentary on news, trends, business, etc. A fit for products & services with a broad-based audience." I was stupid 2 months ago and was about to buy a hardlink from a news site.

Trax · 05-09-2005, 01:32 PM

your rule #1 is bullshit
Google on their webmaster page itself recommends to not have more than 100 links on a sitemap for example...
that number... 20 - bs... I know awesome ranking pages with 400-500 outbounds
this is not about pr though

"Search engines recommend a limit of 20 outgoing links per webpage in order to 'pass PageRank'."

SE's don't recommend anything in order to "pass PR" lol
They don't give a fuck about your passing PR... only webmasters addicted to the green bar do

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 01:34 PM

400 link out on one page? Isnt it better to spread them around in different pages? Lets say 20 per page.

progex · 05-09-2005, 01:34 PM

Quote:

your rule #1 is bullshit
Google on their webmaster page itself recommends to not have more than 100 links on a sitemap for example...

That's a sitemap, sitemaps are intended to consist of internal links.

Trax · 05-09-2005, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by progex

That's a sitemap, sitemaps are intended to consist of internal links.

true... but still...

coolasafanman · 05-09-2005, 01:38 PM

can't say I agree 100% with your analysis but limiting the number of links on a page will certainly result in more PR being passed. Rankings come from a variety of factors and all should be considered - page rank, total number of links and anchor text are all important. Context is debatable.

beta-tester · 05-09-2005, 01:40 PM

Pretty nice tips mate.

That's SO TRUE!!

Thanks for sharing; )

Trax · 05-09-2005, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

400 link out on one page? Isnt it better to spread them around in different pages? Lets say 20 per page.

what I meant to say is... don't look tooo close on the green bar
20 links per page?? why...
there are dmoz categories with 100s of sites in one category
should they split those categories in other subcategories like 1-20 | 21-40 | ... or should they just leave them all together on one page

you know where I'm going?

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 01:43 PM

All i know is i split links it to different pages and it helped me go up in rank.

MichaelP · 05-09-2005, 01:46 PM

Nice & usefull info man

.. TXS

DarkJedi · 05-09-2005, 01:48 PM

Idiot.

WiredGuy · 05-09-2005, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

Search engines recommend a limit of 20 outgoing links per webpage in order to 'pass PageRank'.

Where does any SE make this statement? First off, the only effect PR has is from Google and I seriously doubt Google made such a number or claim.

WG

Tipsy · 05-09-2005, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trax

what I meant to say is... don't look tooo close on the green bar
20 links per page?? why...
there are dmoz categories with 100s of sites in one category
should they split those categories in other subcategories like 1-20 | 21-40 | ... or should they just leave them all together on one page

you know where I'm going?

I can see where you're going but you're very, very wrong. He's talking about buying links and the less on the page with you the better. 20 is a sensible limit. The '100' thing google cites has FA to do with the stuff he's talking about.

Fake Nick · 05-09-2005, 01:51 PM

pagerank vs $$$$$$

hmmm, what to choose ;)

how much are you making with that PR6 of yours ? ;)

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 01:52 PM

ok let me see, not SEO - i meant.

According to search engine optimization experts..

ok?

Tipsy · 05-09-2005, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Where does any SE make this statement? First off, the only effect PR has is from Google and I seriously doubt Google made such a number or claim.

WG

I missed that part. I'd love to know where Google itsef mentions a magic number other than hot having 100+ if ypou want them all crawled. I stick t0 not wanting to have more than 20 (preferably a lot less) on a page if I'm buying a link but certainly have never seen it as any kind of rule.

I'm also curious why getting the PR6 is a big thing for anybody unless you're selling links yourself.

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fake Nick

pagerank vs $$$$$$

hmmm, what to choose ;)

how much are you making with that PR6 of yours ? ;)

$?? Im not in it for the $. haha, wrong!

DarkJedi · 05-09-2005, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fake Nick

how much are you making with that PR6 of yours ? ;)

$0.00

His site is most probably penalized and is not in the top 100 positions.

Tipsy · 05-09-2005, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fake Nick

pagerank vs $$$$$$

hmmm, what to choose ;)

how much are you making with that PR6 of yours ? ;)

I'm curious too. Only time it matters is he he's selling himself as high pr will still make more cash in that. However, a 6 really isn't that big to make decent money with for link sales.

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

$0.00

His site is most probably penalised and is not in the top 100 positions.

How do you know? You dont know me.

I am making enough that i dont do mailing anymore. Should be enough.

beergood · 05-09-2005, 01:56 PM

I remember reading those numbers you're throwing around several years back. The number of links on a page is second to the relevance of the content. The number of links on a page should be the number necessary to make the page complete.

WiredGuy · 05-09-2005, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tipsy

I'm curious too. Only time it matters is he he's selling himself as high pr will still make more cash in that. However, a 6 really isn't that big to make decent money with for link sales.

Most of the pages I actually make money from are PR0-3. I'd rather take a high traffic page over a high PR page anyday

WG

Rorschach · 05-09-2005, 02:00 PM

relevance is the biggest load of shit ever... it's all about brute force at the moment, the serps don't lie.

Tipsy · 05-09-2005, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Most of the pages I actually make money from are PR0-3. I'd rather take a high traffic page over a high PR page anyday

WG

Agree entirely. As I say if you're into selling links then I can understand wanting high PR (but higher than just a 6) and yep - you'd want as few links on the page linking to you as poss.

My biggest earners are admittedly pr4-6 main page but it's not the main page that makes most of the cash. The cash earning pages are nearly all 0-4.

DarkJedi · 05-09-2005, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

I am making enough that i dont do mailing anymore. Should be enough.

Considering that you tried to get into mailing for a few days and after failing miserably you quit, whatever you make it isn't much.

Tipsy · 05-09-2005, 02:07 PM

A final comment/observation - PR is like traffic stats for a trading TGP. 90% get a hardon over the high numbers without realising that the cash made is really the only important factor

That said PR still has uses but not directly serps related these days.

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Considering that you tried to get into mailing for a few days and after failing miserably you quit, whatever you make it isn't much.

This was my mailing stats for 3 days. I am a college student, this is more then enough $ for me. Man, just because you fail at everything does not mean others do. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Veterans Day · 05-09-2005, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

This was my mailing stats for 3 days. I am a college student, this is more then enough $ for me. Man, just because you fail at everything does not mean others do. Stop embarrassing yourself.

wtf

thats from mailing?

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 02:16 PM

$100/day is much more than i need. And people say them make 1K/day from mailing? All bullshit, some do. Most dont!

TheJimmy · 05-09-2005, 02:17 PM

it's ALL ABOUT THE META TAGS people....all about the meta tags ;)

.

WiredGuy · 05-09-2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

$100/day is much more than i need. And people say them make 1K/day from mailing? All bullshit, some do. Most dont!

I don't mean to knock you down here, but I wouldn't be posting SEO advice based on the stats you posted.

WG

DarkJedi · 05-09-2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

This was my mailing stats for 3 days. I am a college student, this is more then enough $ for me. Man, just because you fail at everything does not mean others do. Stop embarrassing yourself.

I forsee difficult times ahead for you.

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 02:19 PM

I am 10 months in adult. And $100/day is enought for me. In the future the amound could only go up.

No one just start up something and make $1k/day do they? No.

DarkJedi · 05-09-2005, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I don't mean to knock you down here, but I wouldn't be posting SEO advice based on the stats you posted.

WG

Those are not SEO stats.

It's from his "mailing"

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 02:22 PM

DarkJedi, when you started in adult did you make shit load of $ the first month? i dont know why you have a hardon for me.

Now, you see why people dont give advice? I was saying something that worked for me. But you insult me? For giving advice? I guess because you have 20k post it makes you god.

DarkJedi · 05-09-2005, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

I am 10 months in adult. And $100/day is enought for me. In the future the amound could only go up.

No one just start up something and make $1k/day do they? No.

First of all, you said that you quit mailing - so obviosly you're not making $100 / day.

Second, why did you post the 3-day stats screenshot ? Are those the stats from a part of a mailing list that you asked to "test out" first ?

DarkJedi · 05-09-2005, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

DarkJedi, when you started in adult did you make shit load of $ the first month? i dont know why you have a hardon for me.

Now, you see why people dont give advice? I was saying something that worked for me. But you insult me? For giving advice? I guess because you have 20k post it makes you god.

1. Your "advice" was moronic.

2. It DID NOT work for you - you have a penalized PR6 site without any top positions.

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 02:28 PM

How do you want i make dude? If you dont like what i said, then dont implement it in your site. Simple.

your arguing with me? haha

DarkJedi · 05-09-2005, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

How do you want i make dude? If you dont like what i said, then dont implement it in your site. Simple.

your arguing with me? haha

It's called logic.

1.You said the stats had been from mailing.
2.You then said that you quit mailing.

Therefore, you don't make this kind of money anymore.

tranza · 05-09-2005, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRod

I think the hardest PR to get is 10 :P

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 02:32 PM

A 30 year old arguing with a 19 year old on how much he makes? If my advice was moronic - i dont see you giving a better one. Lets hear what you have to say on how to improve PR.

I said, i make ENOUGH that i quit mailing.

Why would i quit something that made me $ and go to something that dont?

tranza · 05-09-2005, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

This was my mailing stats for 3 days. I am a college student, this is more then enough $ for me. Man, just because you fail at everything does not mean others do. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Are you bragging over $300 made from SPAM?

Do I hear you right?

DarkJedi · 05-09-2005, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

The hardest PR to get to i think is 6

You should open a SEO company and charge atleast $300 per hour.

nico-t · 05-09-2005, 02:36 PM

well, i would give a shit about PR honestly... take my blog for instance, im gonna get as much hard link trades on it as possible. Fuck PR!

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

You should open a SEO company and charge atleast $300 per hour.

You should open your own keyboard warrior company. Should make you some good sig $.

that wasnt $300 in total, $300 in 3 days.

tranza · 05-09-2005, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

You should open your own keyboard warrior company. Should make you some good sig $.

that wasnt $300 in total, $300 in 3 days.

Can you post your stats from your past 5 days?

Those stats are WAY too old. I bet you didn't earn that much on January 20, 21, 22.....

xlogger · 05-09-2005, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

Can you post your stats from your past 5 days?

Those stats are WAY too old. I bet you didn't earn that much on January 20, 21, 22.....

Just to prove to you that i make $? No. You can think whatever you want.

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	400 link out on one page? Isnt it better to spread them around in different pages? Lets say 20 per page. __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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coolasafanman Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hoboken, NJ Posts: 73	can't say I agree 100% with your analysis but limiting the number of links on a page will certainly result in more PR being passed. Rankings come from a variety of factors and all should be considered - page rank, total number of links and anchor text are all important. Context is debatable. __________________ icq 169177917

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	2 Basic SEO Rules, bitches! At first, i was linking my site and buying hardlinks on any and every site on the goddamn net. But that didnt help improve my PR at all. Now, i cleand up my sites completly, and i have a PR6! The hardest PR to get to i think is 6, because i went to 5 really easy. Then it was stuck on 5 for a long ass time. I think most of you know this already right? Whatever i will post is for the n00bs. 2 Basic Rules when buying PR links. 1. RULE #1 Sites should have less than 20 outgoing links per page. An outgoing link is like a vote for another website. Have too many links and the value of the vote diminishes. Search engines recommend a limit of 20 outgoing links per webpage in order to 'pass PageRank'. We have a strict limit of less than 20 outgoing links per page. 2. RULE #2 Your link must be on a webpage editorially relevant to your website. Too many webmasters make the mistake of buying links based solely on PageRank. Search engines will immediately recognize your link is out of context. The text link is obviously a purchase or trade and is devalued for search engine rankings. We are an international news website, offering editorial & commentary on news, trends, business, etc. A fit for products & services with a broad-based audience. __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	your rule #1 is bullshit Google on their webmaster page itself recommends to not have more than 100 links on a sitemap for example... that number... 20 - bs... I know awesome ranking pages with 400-500 outbounds this is not about pr though "Search engines recommend a limit of 20 outgoing links per webpage in order to 'pass PageRank'." SE's don't recommend anything in order to "pass PR" lol They don't give a fuck about your passing PR... only webmasters addicted to the green bar do

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	All i know is i split links it to different pages and it helped me go up in rank. __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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MichaelP Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: QWEBEC Corporate Office Posts: 7,124	Nice & usefull info man .. TXS

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DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	Idiot.

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Fake Nick So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: go troll goo! Posts: 7,708	pagerank vs $$$$$$ hmmm, what to choose ;) how much are you making with that PR6 of yours ? ;)

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	ok let me see, not SEO - i meant. According to search engine optimization experts.. ok? __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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beergood Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United States Posts: 2,918	I remember reading those numbers you're throwing around several years back. The number of links on a page is second to the relevance of the content. The number of links on a page should be the number necessary to make the page complete. __________________ icq: 320340263

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Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	relevance is the biggest load of shit ever... it's all about brute force at the moment, the serps don't lie.

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Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	A final comment/observation - PR is like traffic stats for a trading TGP. 90% get a hardon over the high numbers without realising that the cash made is really the only important factor That said PR still has uses but not directly serps related these days. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	$100/day is much more than i need. And people say them make 1K/day from mailing? All bullshit, some do. Most dont! __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	I am 10 months in adult. And $100/day is enought for me. In the future the amound could only go up. No one just start up something and make $1k/day do they? No. __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH] Last edited by xlogger; 05-09-2005 at 02:21 PM..

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	DarkJedi, when you started in adult did you make shit load of $ the first month? i dont know why you have a hardon for me. Now, you see why people dont give advice? I was saying something that worked for me. But you insult me? For giving advice? I guess because you have 20k post it makes you god. __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH] Last edited by xlogger; 05-09-2005 at 02:24 PM..

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	How do you want i make dude? If you dont like what i said, then dont implement it in your site. Simple. your arguing with me? haha __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	A 30 year old arguing with a 19 year old on how much he makes? If my advice was moronic - i dont see you giving a better one. Lets hear what you have to say on how to improve PR. I said, i make ENOUGH that i quit mailing. Why would i quit something that made me $ and go to something that dont? __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH] Last edited by xlogger; 05-09-2005 at 02:34 PM..

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nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	well, i would give a shit about PR honestly... take my blog for instance, im gonna get as much hard link trades on it as possible. Fuck PR!