J'aime Québec - photos

[painintheass]

Companies come or leave for reasons completely different than seperation.

I love it when english Canada's propoganda wants to believe that business abandon us because of seperation. They use every trick they can to say we need them. Like how they lie to us that shriner's hospital left because of seperation fear.

A Shriners hospital official denies Quebec politics played a role in the site selection.

I think english canada should see that it is them need quebec more than quebec needs english canada.

This is the symbols that make quebec great and english canada jelous.

[CDSmith]

You're never going to just give it a rest, are you?

[painintheass]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

You're never going to just give it a rest, are you?

You can hurt us but you will never take our Freedom!!

[RawAlex]

painintheass: You don't think that the whole seperation question wasn't part of the decision process? They logic is there, they are going to go away from a great team (possibly one of the world's best in pediatric specialized care) leave it's home of 80 years and move to another part of Canada just for the heck of it? Seperation issues may not be the main point, but I can assure you that somewhere in one of the last meetings, that was one of the issues discussed and a checkmark in the "negative" column was added.

All things being equal, everything else the same, which is truly more attractive for people from outside of canada? Answer honestly now!

Alex

[Phoenix]

give it a rest.....Quebec is going nowhere

[Audrey]

I love canada.
Its fucking retarded to separate to protect the language! We are the only ones talking french in North America! That's like closing ourselves from the rest of the world. What do you think will happen also? The english population will leave, big institutions too. That's what happenned at the last referendum.

I'd rather live in a great country than a small one who is closed on itself. Imagine if the gays in the village wouldn't allow straights to get in... Because they are different and wants to stay together.... we would be like WTF! How do you want to be accepted and part of the world by secluding yourlself all alone.

[Decadawn]

posts like this will make ppl think that Quebec is fucking annoying :P

Slack tes shorts crisse! Call your mother and complain to her instead!

[BuggyG]

bah!! most people inbig cities are just fed up with all the talk
EVEN people who vote for separation
it's all the littlle towns in timbuktoo that still get caught up over it

and yes.. I do have friend who are both for and against it. And we just got fed up and don't talk about it anymore.

And as for the argument about it.. both the feds and provincal leadrers use it to their advantage. Don't say just one party when they ALL do

[Jman]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

painintheass: You don't think that the whole seperation question wasn't part of the decision process? They logic is there, they are going to go away from a great team (possibly one of the world's best in pediatric specialized care) leave it's home of 80 years and move to another part of Canada just for the heck of it? Seperation issues may not be the main point, but I can assure you that somewhere in one of the last meetings, that was one of the issues discussed and a checkmark in the "negative" column was added.

All things being equal, everything else the same, which is truly more attractive for people from outside of canada? Answer honestly now!

Alex

Alex this guy will not get your question, he's obviously clueless about the whole thing.

Fuck I am a French Canadian born and raised in Quebec and decided to leave after the first referendum. I love my french roots, I love Montreal and Quebec where I still have family living downthere. But when it comes to politics and separatiste I don't get it.

Hope to see you in Montreal this weekend my friend we have a lot to catch up ;-)

[painintheass]

Problem. responde in min

[Basic_man]

Originally Posted by painintheass

You can hurt us but you will never take our Freedom!!

Mouhahahaha, nice pic :D

[painintheass]

Originally Posted by Basic_man

Mouhahahaha, nice pic :D

Yes and it so nicely demonstrates the situation.

We need operation quebec liberation.

[xxxdesign-net]

Can you be more annoying ? or stupid for that matter ?

[skillfull]

anyway its allready game over for federalism

lets do some simple math

adscam scandal = federal election = Stephan Harper for PM = Quebec is isolated = Jean Charest more impopular than ever = provincial election = PQ victory = third referendum = separation

if you really think that Harper have a chance to tell to Quebec that we still have a place in Canada when 2 french-canadians PM have only be able with cheating...
you're the more optimistic person in Canada

GAME OVER no more talking

[ElvisManson]

Originally Posted by skillfull

anyway its allready game over for federalism

lets do some simple math

adscam scandal = federal election = Stephan Harper for PM = Quebec is isolated = Jean Charest more impopular than ever = provincial election = PQ victory = third referendum = separation

if you really think that Harper have a chance to tell to Quebec that we still have a place in Canada when 2 french-canadians PM have only be able with cheating...
you're the more optimistic person in Canada

GAME OVER no more talking

Are you forgetting that the Parti Quebecois received money from GroupAction also?

[Sin]

The whole quebec seperatist thing is bullshit.
I know a lot of people who have been there, and had a difficult time because few people in parts of Quebec speak english. Hmmm... yet the rest of the fucking country is forced (That's right, FORCED) to take French in school.

This many generations later, people -really- need to get over it. England & France are not at war, we are not in Europe. We are Canada, and so far the only people who are having difficulty realizing that are the ones living in the past... (like, a couple hundred years ago)

As far as who needs whom, maybe we should take a look at what Quebec wanted as a part of seperation, and why they were denied? They wanted to be self-governed and an "independent" entity, but yet they still wanted to use our currency, use our economy, and benefit from all the federal social services such as health care, welfare etc. Riiiight.

I think the seperatists need to stop smoking all that weed that's out in Quebec (Did you know that there's an entire task force of the police in Quebec, that's dedicated solely to finding & pulling up marijuana plants??? That's right, FULL TIME)

Live in the present. Nobody is "oppressing" you, you're not "trapped" and maybe if those who felt confined to their province got out a little bit, they'd realize that. Quebec is turning into a province with classic Garrison Mentality.

[RawAlex]

skillfull the only "game over" is for the poor people of rural quebec who are going to have even LESS as independant quebecois then they have as quebecois living in Canada. The volume of lies told to these people (from both sides) is stunning. But we all know that in the end the poorest regions will suffer the most.

Don't think this is going to happen? Well, think about this:

What will happen to Quebec and Canada's debt rating? How much higher will interest rates have to be to get people to buy those bonds? That leads to inflation (at least inflation of government expenses) which means less expenses... plus overall inflation for the whole "country". Not to mention how do you think the world will value the "quebec dollar"? Oh, you want to use Canadian dollars? Sorry, YOUR SEPERATING. You don't get to pick and choose the parts you like. This isn't a buffet, there are NO SUBSTITUTIONS ON THIS MENU. In or out, that's all.

Cold hard real world (whole planet) financial facts are there, "do the math". It's not pretty.

Jman, yeah, I will be around this weekend being a pain

Alex

[RawAlex]

Oh yeah, the better question: What do you do when the montreal and outouais regoins get together, have a referendum, and seperate from quebec and go back to Canada?

Oh yeah, I forgot, referendums are only good if they are for seperating quebec from Canada, nothing else.

Alex

[skillfull]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

skillfull the only "game over" is for the poor people of rural quebec who are going to have even LESS as independant quebecois then they have as quebecois living in Canada. The volume of lies told to these people (from both sides) is stunning. But we all know that in the end the poorest regions will suffer the most.

Don't think this is going to happen? Well, think about this:

What will happen to Quebec and Canada's debt rating? How much higher will interest rates have to be to get people to buy those bonds? That leads to inflation (at least inflation of government expenses) which means less expenses... plus overall inflation for the whole "country". Not to mention how do you think the world will value the "quebec dollar"? Oh, you want to use Canadian dollars? Sorry, YOUR SEPERATING. You don't get to pick and choose the parts you like. This isn't a buffet, there are NO SUBSTITUTIONS ON THIS MENU. In or out, that's all.

Cold hard real world (whole planet) financial facts are there, "do the math". It's not pretty.

Jman, yeah, I will be around this weekend being a pain

Alex

ok, remove some lies from federalism propaganda

we can continue to use the canadian currency, there is no international law against it (you can see some country are using the USD, that dont change anything) we have some very strong asset to back up any inflation

first, the Caisse de Depot et Placement
174,121 billion under management in 2004
139,209 billion in 2003, do the math ;)
http://www.lacaisse.com/media/ar2004.pdf

look at page 10 when you see some "i sleeped in my economy class arguement" like: yes but the Caisse lost almost 10 billion in 2002,
yeah that true
but they made 40 billion in the next 2 years
and made 50 billion in the previous 5 years
so what the big deal about a bad year :P

ok we also have
la Caisse Desjardins
http://www.desjardins.com/en/a_propo...l/apglob04.pdf (2004 financiel report)
almost 100 billion in asset too
nice for a coop bank

ok we also have the Font de Solidarité de la FTQ (5,5 billion in asset)
http://www.fondsftq.com/internetfond...VWebTAN/AprAcc

ah we have also the SGF (2,4billion in asset)
http://www.sgfqc.com/en/portrait/rap...e%202004-a.pdf

oh yeah, i forgot we collectivly own Hydro-Quebec (58 billion in asset, generating 2 billion in profit/year and growing fast) and will work forever (hydro-electricity), not like the Petroleum in Alberta...

ah, and Loto-Quebec, the SAQ and a shitload of stuff we also have...

not so bad to start a country...

[skillfull]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Oh yeah, the better question: What do you do when the montreal and outouais regoins get together, have a referendum, and seperate from quebec and go back to Canada?

Oh yeah, I forgot, referendums are only good if they are for seperating quebec from Canada, nothing else.

Alex

Montreal and Outaouais doesnt own any land
Quebec does own his land
EOF

[painintheass]

Originally Posted by skillfull

ok, remove some lies from federalism propaganda

It is because of federalist lies and propaganda that cause this:

Hopefully after Stephen Harper becomes PM and sells Canada to the United States the rest of the world will see our cause is just and we will not resort to violence again.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by painintheass

It is because of federalist lies and propaganda that cause this:

Hopefully after Stephen Harper becomes PM and sells Canada to the United States the rest of the world will see our cause is just and we will not resort to violence again.

You sir are an IDIOT ...............

[MetaMan]

this just in after 4-5 different threads:

NO ONE GIVES A FUCK

you dont even live in Canada atm, stfu already.

[ElvisManson]

Originally Posted by JFK

You sir are an IDIOT ...............

it's Ma'am actually.

painintheass is a woman.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

it's Ma'am actually.

painintheass is a woman.

must be on the rag thanks for clarifying that

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

it's Ma'am actually.

painintheass is a woman.

dam remind me to stay away from her,
French women are indeed absolutley crazy, the most crazy girlfriend i haave ever had was a Qeubec native.

CRAZY WOMEN.

[ElvisManson]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

dam remind me to stay away from her,
French women are indeed absolutley crazy, the most crazy girlfriend i haave ever had was a Qeubec native.

CRAZY WOMEN.

I am being stalked by one as I type this...lol

and no..I am not kidding.

[Jaymus.]

Don't hit your ass on the way out LOL.

The best part of this "seperation" issue, is that if Quebec ever did seperate (even after winning the referendum it would take YEARS to actually go through with it) they would come crawling back cause they can't deal with their portion of the national debt.

Seperatists can't get it through their head that they've tried this already, MULTIPLE TIMES. SORRY NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE SHARE YOUR EXTREME VISION.

Here's your solution. Pack up your suitcase and FUCK OFF. Quebec is part of Canada, if you don't like it, go away.

[Dildozer]

Separation would be stupid. But stupidity is very Quebecer too

[painintheass]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

this just in after 4-5 different threads:

NO ONE GIVES A FUCK

you dont even live in Canada atm, stfu already.

[Head]

You Seperatists are fucktards! I wish you just fuckoff off Canada and see how you like it when we don't carry your debt. Or try and form a currency.

[CDSmith]

I find it interesting that last week this Painintheass was all undecided and seemingly fair-minded, and this week she's a gung-ho hardcore psychotic separatist propaganda monkey.

Too funny.

[painintheass]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

I find it interesting that last week this Painintheass was all undecided and seemingly fair-minded, and this week she's a gung-ho hardcore psychotic separatist propaganda monkey.

Too funny.

OK....

I'm quitting the seperatist alley mode to answer this...

I was just going to continue to have fun and answer most questions with a propoganda photo that I find. But since you said the issue of my support here is my answer:

It is a simple probleme of logic my decision to support seperation. After I thouht about it on both personal and professional modes. It was conclusive where I had the most to gain in both aspects.

Now I am also quitting pornographer mode for this first part of the answer. It is me on a personal level.

The only part of Quebec that I am concern about is rural quebec. My heart is and always will be with the people that live in those areas.

1. Federalism is a vote for status quo in quebec rural areas.

The supporters of federalism continue to make the same speach. "IF YOU THINK IT IS BAD NOW IMAGINE HOW BAD IT WILL BE WHEN YOU SEPERATE"

Most of you have no concept or idea of how bad it can be in rural quebec. The only areas you have been is rural tourist areas like along the gaspesie coast. And it gets much worse then that.

There are areas of without roads, electricity and your house is what is left from a prefabricated building placed by a logging company 60 years past. The people cut wood, hunt, have babies in their kitchens and try to live as well as they can.

This is not as uncommon as you think. Even your precious federalist goverment UN-OFFICIALLY stated just over 10 years ago that they believe as much as 10% of rural quebec'rs live in such conditions. (It is hard to know exactly how many) But these people can not read vote billets and if the election is held when it rains they can not get to a vote station because the road is mud.

No one wants to acknowledge this probleme because it is an embarrasement to all level of goverment.

When a Federalist say to these people you will loose your schools, medical care and all those other things is like say to a man with no leggs that under seperatism they will take his shoes.

Donc, why not seperate? You have nothing to loose and only everything to gain.

I am going to shut off personal mode and re-start my pronographer capitalist mode...

2. History and experience demonstrates that those with money do even better in improvished areas.

It is the reason why some people are now moving to the philipines for early retirement. I can not be blamed for wanting to maximise my profit and lifestyle.

I sell alot of product to the japanese market and there is certain flavours of pronography that do well there.

Under federalism this is my costs for just the sex:

Boy-girl NON-anal sex scene.

Girl: 500-800 cdn
male: 100-300 cdn
Total: 600-1,100cdn

3 to 5 scene video... 1,800 to 3,300 or 3,000 to 5,500

Under seperation if the quebec econmy collapses:
(I am speculating based on what I pay girls in other improvished countries)

Boy-girl sexe scene.(Noramal there is no extra for sodo. I get everything)

Girl: 200-500
male: free-100
Total: 200-600

At the worse I pay 3,000 for 5 scenes.

This is sex only! I have not included duplication, cover, cassettes, etc.

Now, I ask you is it now sense for me to say yes to seperation?

I am finished. I am going to re-start my crazy bitch mode again.

[RawAlex]

Skillfull, sorry, but quebec as a seperate country will need to have it's own currency. It's just a fact of life. I might be like the cuba peso, but they will have to have a currency - and that currency will be what things are official bought and sold in - values of houses, business, etc will all be calculated in quebec pesos, not us or canadian dollars.

You can't pick and choose what parts of canada you want and don't want. IT'S NOT A FUCKING BUFFET. You get it all or get the fuck out complete. That middle ground is the most total bullshit that seperatists sprout.

No canadian passports
No canadian military
No canadian currency support
No immigration system

and so on.

You can't just pick pieces you like and expect the rest of Canada to pick up the tab for fun.

Please, stop the lies and bullshit, explain how a TOTALLY seperate quebec would run and what it's place in the world would be.

thanks

Alex

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Skillfull, sorry, but quebec as a seperate country will need to have it's own currency. It's just a fact of life. I might be like the cuba peso, but they will have to have a currency - and that currency will be what things are official bought and sold in - values of houses, business, etc will all be calculated in quebec pesos, not us or canadian dollars.

You can't pick and choose what parts of canada you want and don't want. IT'S NOT A FUCKING BUFFET. You get it all or get the fuck out complete. That middle ground is the most total bullshit that seperatists sprout.

No canadian passports
No canadian military
No canadian currency support
No immigration system

and so on.

You can't just pick pieces you like and expect the rest of Canada to pick up the tab for fun.

Please, stop the lies and bullshit, explain how a TOTALLY seperate quebec would run and what it's place in the world would be.

thanks

Alex

heh reality.....dont tell them that....




Its funnier when they actually think it might happen

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by painintheass

Hand over the CUBAN you freaky frenchy !!

heh .

[tedwinters]

meh.. obviously none of the separatists here respond to logic..
I was called a racist in one thread, yet the person who said that NEVER responded how, despite me directly calling him out...twice.. in the same thread... It's just a knee-jerk reaction to them..
If you make fun of their separatist theories, they call you a racist, and assume you hate francophones...
(not sure how francophone = racist... but.. whatever)

sooo.. just ignore them, and they'll eventually go away
they'll stop their silly little pro-separatist picture posting threads, or might be eventually banned for posting such crap

Actually.. maybe they won't go away if we keep ignoring them on the boards... Politically, they keep losing referendums, yet keep popping up like a little parasite.... I think we're stuck with them posting crappy little pictures and arguing incoherently..

[painintheass]

Originally Posted by tedwinters

meh.. obviously none of the separatists here respond to logic..
I was called a racist in one thread, yet the person who said that NEVER responded how, despite me directly calling him out...twice.. in the same thread... It's just a knee-jerk reaction to them..
If you make fun of their separatist theories, they call you a racist, and assume you hate francophones...
(not sure how francophone = racist... but.. whatever)

sooo.. just ignore them, and they'll eventually go away
they'll stop their silly little pro-separatist picture posting threads, or might be eventually banned for posting such crap

Actually.. maybe they won't go away if we keep ignoring them on the boards... Politically, they keep losing referendums, yet keep popping up like a little parasite.... I think we're stuck with them posting crappy little pictures and arguing incoherently..

[RawAlex]

Case in point.

Seriously, nobody has managed to get the seperatist voters to understand the TRUE implications of seperation. I remember one poll showed 47% in favor but of the 47%, more than 70% thought they would keep their canadian passport, citizenship, money, and pension plans!

Talk about lying through your teeth and hoping nobody notices. But it is hard to fight a war of the heart with words of logic (as has been seen here).

Alex

[painintheass]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Case in point.

Seriously, nobody has managed to get the seperatist voters to understand the TRUE implications of seperation. I remember one poll showed 47% in favor but of the 47%, more than 70% thought they would keep their canadian passport, citizenship, money, and pension plans!

Talk about lying through your teeth and hoping nobody notices. But it is hard to fight a war of the heart with words of logic (as has been seen here).

Alex

No Case in Point for the Federalists.....

I have watched persons like skillful make good arguments and points. But the majority of all federalists comments have been this.

1. You are going to be broke
2. Shut up you don't know what you are talking about.
3. It's only going to get worse.
4. If you don't fucking like it go to france.
5. You are worthless and pathetic with out us.

6. Not to mention that when we disagree you pull out the "YOU ARE INCOHERENT" card. And amazingly I've observed the most coherent points come from the seperatist side.

7. There is also been comments about civil war and putting us in our place. etc etc.

Not one... NOT A SINGLE ONE of the federalists in this forum have done anything more than verbally attack and insult. And this is the common tactic of the federalist.

As for the last arguments...
And all of your points given irrelavent.

Canadian passports - Most people don't travel. But since we have our own immigration we make our own.. Wow that is difficult.

Military - LOL This is the Canadian military we are talking about. Does anyone really want to discuss the canadian military?

Money, we can use and adopt any currency we want. The quebec affairs bureau in france is pushing the adoption of the euro. (In the event of seperation.)

Pension, medical, etc etc etc. Perhaps Generation-X'rs better make an examination of themself. Since most are over-educated working at McDonalds. There will be NO pension for you either. Provinces scream for more money for medical, etc etc.

And if it legal or not... you can not force anyone to stay if they do not want to. The moment there is a majority vote (50+1%)

If there is any suppression or if dicussions with Ottawa to commence with seperation does not occur.. Then old organizations like the FLQ will begin to re-surface.

But with all the stupid sensationalistic comments from the federalists. The most likely event is quebec seperation will occur as peacefully as the way canada became independant of england.

[skillfull]

God Shave the Queen

[eroswebmaster]

I think we should come and liberate Quebed for our Canuckian brothers and sisters.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by painintheass

I have watched persons like skillful make good arguments and points.

When? The guy has his head up in the clouds.

and there has been quite an amount of cocking off and running off at the mouth from both sides, not just "the federalists" as you call us.

And lastly... when are you going to STFU about this crap? Why can't you just wait and see what happens like the rest of us instead of running your keyboard in an adult industry board like a tool?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by tedwinters

meh.. obviously none of the separatists here respond to logic..
I was called a racist in one thread, yet the person who said that NEVER responded how, despite me directly calling him out...twice.. in the same thread... (

My first and LAST post in this thread( as well as the other ) just to let you know that the level of intellect here is way to low for me. And I had told you not to ask me to make a list of racist comments from you or your posting friends .... I did that in the past to no avail ... Tou are right, you know all, there is nothing to discuss , we are idiots, uneducated , unable to pay for ourselves.. and so on ....

Originally Posted by tedwinters

yet keep popping up like a little parasite....

[tedwinters]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

My first and LAST post in this thread( as well as the other ) just to let you know that the level of intellect here is way to low for me. And I had told you not to ask me to make a list of racist comments from you or your posting friends .... I did that in the past to no avail ... Tou are right, you know all, there is nothing to discuss , we are idiots, uneducated , unable to pay for ourselves.. and so on ....

Seems convenient that you refuse to point out where I was racist
Don't you want me to learn and change???? If you can point out where I was racist, maybe I can change my ways!
heheh

[Jman]

How bout this... Why don't y'all get back to work... Ostie ;-)

[painintheass]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

When? The guy has his head up in the clouds.

and there has been quite an amount of cocking off and running off at the mouth from both sides, not just "the federalists" as you call us.

And lastly... when are you going to STFU about this crap? Why can't you just wait and see what happens like the rest of us instead of running your keyboard in an adult industry board like a tool?

And in this post we see once again....

2. Shut up you don't know what you are talking about

Is there a new fact to this argument?

8. This is an Adult Industry forum and is not the place to discuss it.

People discuss all things on this forum.

But I have an idea....

If you do not like the topic of conversation. Then why not just stop visiting the threads that turn into seperatist conversations? Afterall that is the "ADULT" thing to do.

[painintheass]

If you are a Quebec'r you know how to camp!

We also enjoy using public transit!



And when we run out of beer we do not get angry about having to snowmobile to the store!

Until English Canada starts doing things like this.
We require distinct society!

[tedwinters]

Wow.. you just can't leave it alone, eh???
Shall we continue the debate on your economic foolishness?
And how you want to make huge sacrifices to the wellbeing of 90% of the population, to MARGINALLY improve the 10% of rural Quebec?
Why don't we do it this way...
You make one valid point, and I'll try to refute it...
step by step, so we don't get lost in the garbage... cause a lot of my threads in the last forum post were completely ignored....

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by painintheass

If you are a Quebec'r you know how to camp!

We also enjoy using public transit!



And when we run out of beer we do not get angry about having to snowmobile to the store!

Until English Canada starts doing things like this.
We require distinct society!

You know, if you ever got your head out of your ass and visited somewhere west of le timbuc leduieux once in a while you'd know that people in the west party just as or better than anything you frenchies have done.

Your ignorance is showing.