100..........

Some fake stats screen shoot, or fake ratio tests are missing in this thread :banana

Just got into the beginning of May and we may have a winner for most transparent post of the year for 2005.

WE CONVERT 1:412(uhm... this includes rebills as well)

Yes drama may get you more affiliates in terms of sheer numbers, but the bigger guys that can actually MAKE YOU MONEY can see right through your obvious bullshit.

At this rate you're destined to become a case-study in some backwaters college correspondance class for how not to promote your new business.

:disgust

Oh my God, you're a serious fucking douchebag. We're "Haters" because we point out how ridiculous your excuses are? lmfao, people were smart enough to see threw that gay bullshit when Like Whoa tried it years ago, trust me you're not going to get anywhere with it now.

Everyone here was trying to be nice to you because you're clearly in way over your head, but that's over pal. You really should have taken the advice everyone here was nice enough to offer, instead you continued acting like an ass and embarrassing your program.

Let's take your first post...

Do you honestly believe this childish nonsense? Affiliates can make more using a partnership platform, so that's all you're offering? Is that honestly your best pitch? What a fucking joke. You can't afford to pay per signup so you're only offering recurring, just fucking admit it and stop making yourself look like more and more of an asshole with every lie you tell. Every program on the planet with 10 cents behind it offers pay per signup AND recurring, your bullshit can't hide that.

Here's a hint pal; when everyone who's awake on the board calls you a fucking lying douchebag, you're a fucking lying douchebag. Everyone who has read this thread agrees that you should stop acting like a fucking kid and start listening to the advice you're getting in this thread... well, fucking start listening.

You may have convinced 3 gallery submitters that you're going with the revshare model because it's best for them, but everyone else in the business is laughing their fucking asses off at you right now. Look at all the posts in this thread. Some major players have offered you sympathy and serious advice, and you'd rather call them haters than admit what a fucking ass you are. Your program if officially a waste of time, face it, it's over. Until you fucking recognize that everyone here is just trying to help you instead of being "haters", you're just going to keep making mistake after mistake until you're long forgotten. At this point you're the biggest joke to hit this board since Like Whoa. That's not an opinion that's a fucking fact.

MetaformX, if you still think I'm wrong, take a good look at this thread. There are over 100 responses already. Find one that disagrees with me and agrees with you.

*shakes head*

hater



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stop hatin on a playa!

stop playa hatin!

http://nibil.caltech.edu/writings/20...01-27-03_2.jpg

Rich (poor?), you are a clueless nobody. Go get another hobby and get off my pole.

When you do 200 joins a day with a single site that has been up for 1 month, come talk to me.

Until that day, keep your comments to yourself you wannabe expert.

Yeah, I don't know what I am doing. I bet every wanker in here is doing 200 joins a day with a single site that just launched.

I bet your one of those keyboard warriors who makes $3k a month and thinks their the shit because they no longer have to work at Petsmart cleaning up dog shit for a living.

It's sad to see a nobody like you trying to make a name out of yourself by creating drama with me, but you really think I care what u and the 'message board posse' living in their moms basement think about my program? Your trying to tell me how to run my program? I'm doing fine without your help, thank you very much.

200 joins a day after 1 month, the numbers do the talking you wanker. I bet that makes your blood boil. How many joins a day you do Mr. expert? 3? 7? LoL. You know anything about running a program?

My hosting bill is probably bigger than your entire income.

When I am doing 1000 joins a day in 3 months, I'll be sure to think of you.

As for the rest of the wankers in this thread, when you do 200 joins a day with a brand new site that launched 1 month ago, come give me some advise.

There is only 3 guys in this thread who fit that description and who have my respect. The rest of you are mostly wanabe nobodies who are trying to get your rock off and impress the other nobodies in the thread by throwing shit around.

I don't need your advise. You know why? Because you can't even do 5 joins a day. Because you don't have a clue what it takes to build a program. You think you do. But if your so smart, why ain't you running a program? What? You don't have 2 cents to rub together? Then shut your pie hole and step aside.

You haters can all go to sleep tonight knowing that I can buy and sell you in a new york minute. Have a nice night.

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50/50 is fine with me. At least I know its less likely to shave sales. MY 2 trials last week didnt convert into paying memberships. I'll be happy with 50/50 if I can turn off the trial.

Sure bro, we will have an option to send to a join page without trials which will feature a lower monthly price. We will make an announcement once it is implemented.

Ok big talker, I'll put money down that says in 2 years, your program is long and forgotten. I said the same thing about Like Whoa, the owner laughed at me. Do you see that everyone in this thread thinks you're a lying incompetent jackass? That's not my fault, it's yours. Read your first post and think if anyone who has been in this business more than five minutes would take you seriously. Honestly, read the bullshit you wrote. You're making an ass out of yourself with each additional lie and a lot of people are calling you on it, just give up now.

Insult me and the others here trying to help you out, but if you honestly think anyone is taking your bullshit seriously you need to give your head a shake. At this point your program is a living joke.

:Oh crap

Your trying to help me out? Haha. You are a joke. You wanker, you are trying to help your GFY status by slinging shit at a big target.

Anyone here who is doing more than 200 joins a day can call me incompetent. You on the other hand would be better served shutting your mouth and looking in the mirror.

How many joins a day do u do? I think your the incompetent one Rich (Poor?). Cause guess what? If success in this business is measured by the size of your pocket book, you lose. How does that feel knowing I'm better than you?

You had my respect until you posted this shit. Congrats. And I wasn't even going to bash you. I hate people that disrespect newbies. They forget they were newbies sometime in the past.

Oh, and I can do at least 15 sales a day. On a bad day. I'll never promote you guys.

That comment was directed at the people IN THIS THREAD who were trying to tell me how to run my business when they themselves can't even do 5 joins a day, guys like Rich and European Lee.

It was not directed at newbies. I have all the respect in the world for newbies.

Looks like you talk a big game but that's about it.

I'm willing to retract all statements if you put your 'big money' where your 'big mouth' is. Offer competitive rates PPS on trials by this Monday morning. Prove us all wrong. Show us that you have the financial backing & stability to do this.

Imagine all the fat bank you'd be making! :upsidedow

If you want to give more to the webmaster... you can offer both

I already answered this earlier. Here it is since you mised it:

If we want to offer both a PPS and revshare, that means I have to put in the infrastructure for a PPS model, which means cross sells, exits up the wazzoo, and other 'shady' things. I don't want to do that and would rather keep things straight forward with a simple revshare model for now.

Whatever dude.

You may have a load of respect for newbies the question is, how many of them have any respect for you? Id say after reading this thread, zilch.

You have been given some solid advice in this thread, whether you ultimately use that advice is up to you.

One thing is for certain, depending on the choice you make your program will succeed or fail.

Now you have to decide which the right choice is so far as the advice you have been handed so freely on a plate in this thread :winkwink:

Im so glad i called bullshit on your fake stats threads though, if i hadnt, you might have actually succeeded in your trying to scam traffic from webmasters.

Regards,

Lee

Rich had commin is my 2cents:)

It's not that I missed it, it's just that I don't believe you.

Don't you already have the infrastructure in place considering you were on a PPS system in the first place? I can't imagine it's that hard to add that as an option and switch from pay-on-active to paying-on-trials.

If the only consideration is 'putting in infrastructure' then what is your ETA on the PPS program? 1 week? 2 weeks?

You would think a site that is getting 108K+ hits daily would have a more impressive Alexa rank . . .
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr.../www.xgape.com

Those look more like the all-time stats than daily . . .

You don't have to be "shady" to offer PPS, just offer an honest $25-30 no cross sells and exit chains (nothing wrong with one exit.)

Good post. What a lot of affiliates do not realise is the money they think they should make for doing little and investing nothing is simply not going to happen.

They get seduced into pushing sites offering them the earth and the surfer little, then wonder why they make so little.

IMO both PPS and revshare can work, PPS is on the basis the site will make more out of the members than it pays the affilaites, revshare is on the basis the site will make more out of the members than it pays the affilaites.

The difference could be that one site will make money keeping members happy and the other will make money selling or sending them something or somewhere else.

ahahahahahaha, you're a fucking clown. Listen to every comment in this thread, who's the wanker? Everyone who has posted so far agrees with me, take the hint jackass. You just dig yourself in deeper and deeper every time you insult the people who are simply pointing out what EVERYONE ELSE REALIZES.

It's hilarious to think that you consider yourself a "big target". You're nobody, it took you almost three years to create a NATS based program with one site that looks like a Deluxe Pass front, and you don't do any amount of joins each day. Don't forget we've seen your Alexia traffic stats jackass, they were already posted and they don't lie like you do, everyone sees that those 200 joins are all you've done it TOTAL. If you think anyone doesn't realize you're lying about that too you're fucking clueless. Alex from San Diego is completely right, you're in WAY OVER YOUR HEAD here kid. You're talking to everyone like we're all stupid kids who have no ability to recognize when someone's lying. Guess what, not everyone is stupid, and you got called out in this thread like I've never seen before. You can keep saying that it's just myself and European Lee and we're just "poor haters" (your list of haters gets smaller every time you post BTW), but get real, people can read for themselves, every single person who has posted in this thread sees that you're fucking full of shit, yet you just keep lying further and further. Do you think you've saved face here? If you had just said look... we're not ready to pay per signup yet, so we're going to start with revshare, everyone would have been fine with it. Instead you make up some childish lie, basically trying to insult PPS programs and tell affiliates what to think, everyone sees through it and you look like the biggest joke this board has ever seen. It was one thing when you faked those traffic tests, you looked like a serious ass when people busted you on those, but this takes the cake. You're calling yourself a bigshot while admitting that you can't pay per join but trying to lie about it. Take a long hard look at this thread and tell me if you think a single person who reads it is every going to promote your program. You've basically gone from a small program with at least some potential to a failed program that's going to be gone in 6 months in this thread, and it only took about 24 hours. Keep calling yourself a bigshot, one of the top 20 programs, some gallery submitting kid somewhere may believe you.

Good work MetaformX, we all know that programs who's owner lies constantly ALWAYS get huge.

:eek7 EEK

It's amazing the amount of lies that this kid will tell to make himself look like something he's not. That's the stupidest thing you can do when launching a program... who will send traffic to a shady, lying program owner?

*sigh*

ouch.


well.... I'm still curious about the 2.5 years thing to build a program shell and one site that ain't all that hot. I've seen the inside of your anal site members area metaformx.... I'm finding it difficult to believe you have any members at all. 2.5 years and that's what you got? That's really sad man.

But hey, he has a fancy logo for his webmaster program.

I'm proberly also a nobody who can't do 5 joins a day. Many know better.

Anyway, my question was a "normal" one. If you say rebshare make your webmasters more money, why not offer BOTH?

Is it suppose to be some kind of proof? A screen cap of numbers that could as well be stats for the month..?


Even if were were making 10,000 joins a day.. How the fuck is it releveant to this thread!?? People are questioning the fact that you are not giving your affiliates the choice.. while telling them you are doing that for their own good.. lol ... How are you adressing that with those 200 joins a day you keep repeating over and over!?

I do not agree with any of this.
This site http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...&url=xgape.com
Does not do 200 joins a day sorry.

Rich was trying to give you advice why look a gift horse in the mouth?

PS If you are starting a new program and want to make people think you are doing alot of join/traffic its a good idea to submit some galleries and buy some paid spots on the domain.

Looks like he started doing that today.

Live and learn.

Exactly, even he were doing 200 joins a day (which he obviously isn't), that wouldn't mean anything, especially if 199 of them cancelled after the trial.

someone already made a good pomint and said you are counting rebills in that site with it, so the ratio of 1:412 is really a lot worst - thats inconsistency #1. You are also showing 88k unique, yet alexa shows this:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...&url=xgape.com
based on my experience thats maybe 5k unique a day...

and that last spike can probably be attributed to the threads here on GFY.

Now I am not a hater, but your stats just don't match up, Ive never seen your sites listed once and I browse all the biggest TGPs. The only explanation I can possibly think of is mailer traffic being filtered thru landing pages, but I just dont buy that, cause it would convert a lot better than what your ratios are. Now like I said, I am not a hater, but if you go out and post stats on a public board, and I do a little investigative work and it doesnt match up, please provide some answers that doesnt expose yourself too much. Like I said, I am not a hater, I just want to know with 100% accuracy what you post is the truth, and right now I personally don't believe it is. Other people can make their own judgements.

Promoting your program with lies and bullshit. Can it get any worse? You might as well open a thread saying: dont promote me, im a shitbag lying piece of shit. Has about the same effect.

Next time think before you start a thread.

Traffic is down a bit but sign ups are up. Interesting:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...anphillips.com

I guess he's going to wait for all of us to leave before he responds again.

He should have just taken my original advice and let this thread die, but no, don't listen to Rich, what does he know.

Exactly, it seems like the stats he posted are for 2 weeks, that kinda fits into the picture if you take 5k+ as daily traffic...

Here are todays stats, 214 signups. Ratio 1:412
Now if only 33% of them will rebill into full joins that means
71 full joins.
88216 uniques for 71 full joins makes 1:1242

The reason i am only counting full joins is you are paying a pay per active.
So the profit only goes to the webmaster on those 71 joins.
And you will pay revshare and who wants 50% of a $1 trial join. In conclusion you do 1:1242 overall which is shit.

If he could retain at 33% he'd still be paying per active member, he wouldn't have killed that program so fast. Amp and I may not be the best of friends, but even I'll tell you that he knows his shit, and when he looked at this site's members area he came to the conclusion that it couldn't keep members. I'm sure he's right. He's probably not retaining members at anything close to the industry standard of around 33% at this point.

If he retained 33% of all trials for at least 3 months at $39 recurring he could easily pay $35 pps.

Do the math
99 people join as trials.
Thats $99
33 of them spend the $39 for three months.
Thats $3861

Thats a total of $3960
It would cost $3465 to pay the affiliates for the $35 per join.
The profit margin isnt much but then again im not a pps paysite operator. Im sure he could crunch those numbers and add exits and cross sales and etc to increase the margin.

But seeing as he doesnt want to pay pps tells another story.
Or even offer it along with the revshare.,

Im not bashing, i just using numbers facts.

I agree with you, I'm saying he clearly hasn't been retaining members from trial at 33% or better.

Thats probably what it comes down too and why he would love revshare.