Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

In my opinion, a program that is just starting out should be only revshare... unless they have huge financial backings.

A program jumps immediately into the $25 and up payouts for each trial or month they get someone joined will do well, but not at first. The first few months, all the way up to a year.. maybe even more can be very hard to be profitable.

Sometimes you people forget that just because someone opens their doors and tries to get you promoting them, it doesn't mean that they unlimited resources and can promise you the world. You want 6 million free hosted galleries, free hosted paysites, exclusive content to only you and want to make $600 per sale on a $1 trial.... well, it just isn't going to happen from a company that is just getting their roots planted.

Originally Posted by Sly

Shit waders on sale... $25 a pair. Contact me for details.

Originally Posted by MetaformX

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The smart webmaster who has a long term approach already knows that a partnership model is the smartest choice. You will make more money with a partnership, make no mistake about that,

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

what happened, were did he go :1orglaugh Its taken him 2.5 years to build this brand and his 1 site, give the guy some slack :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

In my opinion, a program that is just starting out should be only revshare... unless they have huge financial backings.

A program jumps immediately into the $25 and up payouts for each trial or month they get someone joined will do well, but not at first. The first few months, all the way up to a year.. maybe even more can be very hard to be profitable.

Sometimes you people forget that just because someone opens their doors and tries to get you promoting them, it doesn't mean that they unlimited resources and can promise you the world. You want 6 million free hosted galleries, free hosted paysites, exclusive content to only you and want to make $600 per sale on a $1 trial.... well, it just isn't going to happen from a company that is just getting their roots planted.

Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

In my opinion, a program that is just starting out should be only revshare... unless they have huge financial backings.

A program jumps immediately into the $25 and up payouts for each trial or month they get someone joined will do well, but not at first. The first few months, all the way up to a year.. maybe even more can be very hard to be profitable.

Sometimes you people forget that just because someone opens their doors and tries to get you promoting them, it doesn't mean that they unlimited resources and can promise you the world. You want 6 million free hosted galleries, free hosted paysites, exclusive content to only you and want to make $600 per sale on a $1 trial.... well, it just isn't going to happen from a company that is just getting their roots planted.

Originally Posted by Trax

thread gone wrong lol

let me translate it:
If a program goes from PPS to revshare this means the sites suck, don't retain and don't make the owner any money... that means I would not even bother sending you traffic to the revsh solution either because they can not retain the surfer....

THAT EASY :)

Originally Posted by MetaformX

Most of you who responded do not have a clue, saying this is the kiss of death.

Let me explain this for you so you understand the situation.

We have NEVER offered PPS, we are not all of a sudden switching from PPS to revshare. We are in beta mode, and from the start have offered a per active payout model.

The plan was to offer either revshare or PPS after the beta. I have decided on revshare.

For some reason though, I see the same haters in every one of my threads. I love it. This is exactly what I wanted when I made this thread.

You know the saying about controvercy....guess what? It's true. Thanks haters, keep it up and give us more affiliates.

Originally Posted by MetaformX

Most of you who responded do not have a clue, saying this is the kiss of death.

Let me explain this for you so you understand the situation.

We have NEVER offered PPS, we are not all of a sudden switching from PPS to revshare. We are in beta mode, and from the start have offered a per active payout model.

The plan was to offer either revshare or PPS after the beta. I have decided on revshare.

For some reason though, I see the same haters in every one of my threads. I love it. This is exactly what I wanted when I made this thread.

You know the saying about controvercy....guess what? It's true. Thanks haters, keep it up and give us more affiliates.

Originally Posted by sandman!

i dont hate you and got nothing against you your probably a nice guy but $25 per active is a joke and switching from per active to revshare tells me your sites are not retaining well.

Originally Posted by MetaformX

By the time I am done, the jealous hater and his mother will be sending traffic to StudioCash. Cause even jealous haters can't pass up money.

And here is todays admin stats for the entire program. Put this in your pipe and smoke it haters.

http://www.studiocash.com/friday.gif

I really love it when people come in here and tell me I don't know what I am doing. Does your program do 1 in 412 first page hits with all kinds of traffic combined?

Originally Posted by Alex From San Diego

MetaformX,

You need to learn how to take constructive criticism. I just joined your site for a buck and immediately cancelled. If you would like to learn more on why I cancelled let me know by hitting me up on ICQ: 74296267

You are making some very basic mistakes and trust me when I say this. Your site will not retain its members with the mistakes you are currently making.

Originally Posted by JSA Matt

xGape does over 200 signups a day?

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

that's a lot of greek surfers :)

Originally Posted by Trax

$35 per active?? jesus... the guys sending you traffic must be clueless lol

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

what happened, were did he go :1orglaugh Its taken him 2.5 years to build this brand and his 1 site, give the guy some slack :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by MetaformX

No, they like the site we offer and the program, they are not clueless, and they have voiced their opinion to me about their dislike with the per active model, which is why we are changing to revshare.

One thing no one here understands is we are in BETA MODE. There is a reason it is called Beta mode. That is so we can test stuff and find the method that works best for our webmasters and us.

But I guess everyone would rather I just do the same thing everyone else does. Innovation be damned.

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Thats what I am saying.



Pah leeese.
Fuck da haters Metaform. Do your thing, no one else will do it for ya but they will pose and posture like they got it altogether. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Sly

Between rev-share and per active, I would want rev-share too.

I don't understand why you get all pissy about people voicing their opinions and concerns. You start these threads. You're asking for input. You get it, then call everyone "haters" for stating the obvious.

Originally Posted by MetaformX

Thanks Alien, I agree bro.

These guys like Franck, Rich, Crypt, European Lee are like a "hating MetaformX groupie". They just follow me around and the second StudioCash is mentioned, come in here and spit BS.

Why do they feel like they have to put me down? Are they that desperate for fake drama?

Originally Posted by MetaformX

I really love it when people come in here and tell me I don't know what I am doing. Does your program do 1 in 412 first page hits with all kinds of traffic combined?

Originally Posted by mortenb

I don't think I have ever posted in one of your threads, so I probably don't qualify as a hater, but I see the points they are making.

One of them asked why you didn't let the affiliate choose between PPS and partnership if you know you can make money with both models. I too would like to hear an answer to this question. Is seems to me that you would make your program more attractive if you let the affiliates choose for themselves.. Why not do this?

Originally Posted by MetaformX

One thing no one here understands is we are in BETA MODE. There is a reason it is called Beta mode. That is so we can test stuff and find the method that works best for our webmasters and us.

Originally Posted by Rui

Stupid question to say the least...

btw most people here don't hate you man..more like they pity you on your constant indecisions and mistakes... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by MetaformX

No, I only consider the 4 that I mentioned as StudioCash haters, not anyone who has a question or concern. Those 4 just go around bashing StudioCash no matter what I say. They are on auto bash.

To answer your question, we will give the affiliates the choice between PPS or revshare down the line, just not right away.

For now, we will start with revshare.

Originally Posted by J B

Beta is usually done in private and you don't announce every step you make. The purpose of beta testing is to provide a working product/service once you make a public release :2 cents:

Originally Posted by mortenb

That's just it. That doesn't answer the question. You say that you can make money using both models.. Then I can't understand your reasoning for not offering both models to your affiliates..
I understand that you have chosen it, but from your previous statements, it seems like shooting yourself in the foot. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by MetaformX

So we should not tell our webmasters and potential affiliates what our payout model is? We should keep that a secret?

But I agree with the purpose of a beta, which is what we are doing.

Originally Posted by MetaformX

Ok, your question if fair. Lets put it this way. If we want to offer both a PPS and revshare, that means I have to put in the infrastructure for a PPS model, which means cross sells, exits up the wazzoo, and other 'shady' things. I don't want to do that and would rather keep things straight forward with a simple revshare model for now. Does that answer your question?

Originally Posted by MetaformX

http://www.studiocash.com/friday.gif

I really love it when people come in here and tell me I don't know what I am doing. Does your program do 1 in 412 first page hits with all kinds of traffic combined?

Originally Posted by MetaformX

Yes, thats trials + rebills combined. Mostly trials though.

Originally Posted by MetaformX

StudioCash conversions have been nothing short of amazing so far, but with an Active member payout model, many of our webmasters have told us that they wanted something more.

So, after much testing and tweaking, and comparing of different payout models, we have decided that a 50/50 partnership would best serve our webmasters in the long run.

Of course there is a reason why most affiliate programs go with a PPS model and not a Partnership. The reason is because the PPS model makes the most money for the PROGRAM. It is a numbers game, and if done right, there is no doubt that PPS is more profitable. The numbers don't lie.

We however are taking a different approach. I want to create a partnership program that makes it quite evident and clear to the webmaster that he/she can make more money with a partnership program over a PPS.

I have a simple outlook on the difference between a partnership program and a PPS program. With a Partnership program, you are a partner. With a PPS program, you are an employee.

The smart webmaster who has a long term approach already knows that a partnership model is the smartest choice. You will make more money with a partnership, make no mistake about that, and my goal is to make StudioCash the best Partnership program on the net.

This is our Anal site xGape that you will be able to promote on a partnership

We will be releasing our Interracial site shortly.

Our move to the partnership model will take place next week.