Question to programs owners or reps about their TOS - GoFuckYourself.com

tranza · 05-05-2005, 11:16 AM

After reading another thread here at GFY something got me worried. So I'd like to know: do you guys accept traffic from TGPs that skim?

That's a simple question, and a simple yes or no should do the trick.

I cannot believe that sponsors would ban someone from their programs, without paying anything, just because a person skims traffic on his TGP.

That's just unreal.

jawanda · 05-05-2005, 11:25 AM

Yeah that is crazy. Don't think most PPS or Revshare programs care how you send it, as long as it's legal (not spam) and makes sales.

Link to the other thread?

chri$tian · 05-05-2005, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jawanda

Yeah that is crazy. Don't think most PPS or Revshare programs care how you send it, as long as it's legal (not spam) and makes sales.

Link to the other thread?

Agreed...

tranza · 05-05-2005, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jawanda

Yeah that is crazy. Don't think most PPS or Revshare programs care how you send it, as long as it's legal (not spam) and makes sales.

Link to the other thread?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...1&page=1&pp=50

Wizzo · 05-05-2005, 11:35 AM

Put Porn DVD Dollars and StiffyCash as Yes votes... We do allow it!

VIPimp · 05-05-2005, 11:37 AM

We allow it...

3piece chicken Dinner · 05-05-2005, 11:40 AM

not to stir shit. But are you saying you don't read the TOS of the sponsor(s) you promote?

Everyone should do themselves a favor and read the TOS's of there sponsors.
Otherwise you end up being the person crying how someone did you wrong.
IE the bank charged me nsf fee's when I bounced checks........ I got in an accident and now the insurance company say's I don't have full coverage, or my sponsor says that I violated their TOS and they have shut off my account and refuse to pay. All could be avoided if people were not so fucking lazy. Read and know what you have got yourself into. And then if you don't agree with something listed in the TOS you can discuss the issues prior to having a problem.

tranza · 05-05-2005, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

not to stir shit. But are you saying you don't read the TOS of the sponsor(s) you promote?

I ALWAYS read the TOS, especially being a non-US webmaster.

That's the reason I find odd some programs don't allow skimming.

the Shemp · 05-05-2005, 11:49 AM

using a thumb from a sponsor to skim traffic to a trade? is that the issue here?

3piece chicken Dinner · 05-05-2005, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

I ALWAYS read the TOS, especially being a non-US webmaster.

That's the reason I find odd some programs don't allow skimming.

very cool man.

do you know of any others that don't allow skimming? ( other than the thread you linked) you said "some" so I am assuming you have come across this before?

BigRod · 05-05-2005, 11:50 AM

I am guilty of NOT reading all of them, problem is most of them are exactly the same so I get complacent.

3piece chicken Dinner · 05-05-2005, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

using a thumb from a sponsor to skim traffic to a trade? is that the issue here?

Yes Shemp, that appears to be the question at hand.

the Shemp · 05-05-2005, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

Yes Shemp, that appears to be the question at hand.

well, i dont agree with that either, but many sponsors seem to let it go.
clearly though, the TGP doesnt have the "right" to do that, unless specified..

tranza · 05-05-2005, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

using a thumb from a sponsor to skim traffic to a trade? is that the issue here?

That rule is like saying: do you run a thumb TGP that skims? We don't want your traffic... Even if you submit galleries to thumb TGPs that skims you could lose your account. Not to mention their thoughts on general skimming:

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Originally Posted by ATKCash

ATKCash's policy on traffic skimming is as follows: We do not permit skimming to happen on thumbnails of OUR content. We have no way of controlling what or how much is skimmed off of TGP owners' OTHER thumbs, but we request that our content is not used to send traffic to anywhere but our galleries.

Our OPINION of skimming is that it's a poor business practice because to the CUSTOMER, it looks like they're being shipped elsewhere and denied the opportunity, X% of the time, to get what they asked for (the girl in the thumbnail.) As I said in my (heretofore private) email to Goodwill, it's a less-than-optimal way to gain TRUST among your surfers, whose interests should always come first.

We have had numerous complaints from customers about the way some of our affiliates skim traffic, to the tune of "I thought you guys were above that blind linking shit..." at which point we have to explain that "no, that's not us, that's one of our authorized resellers, and we apologize on their behalf." We fully expect our resellers to abide by the same business model that we do, and blindly sending Surfer Joe to some other TGP for the sake of keeping our traffic numbers high is not the way to do good, clean business.

As far as my use of the word "pathetic" to describe traffic skimming, I was referring to YOUR less-than-professional reply to my first email, which should have been taken as an effort to HELP your conversion ratio. We've found that our affiliates that don't skim traffic (our top resellers) have much higher click to join ratios, and there are plenty of them who do VERY well with our program. We've found through the years that TGP traffic tends to be jaded traffic... surfers are USED to being jerked around and are much less likely to trust ANY website because of these methods.

We'd much rather have an affiliate send us 5 joins a week that renew for 6 months than sending us 15 joins per week that cancel or charge back because they were misled by aggressive/misleading marketing tactics.

A word on our traffic counting: You, and several others, are CORRECT about our linking codes to hosted galleries. This is an error and will be corrected immediately, so in short yes, your ratio looks worse than it really is. We apologize for this.

If you think that a site that USES THE TERM LOLITA to lure in customers and thus pander to their pedophilic tastes or curiosities isn't flatly in the wrong, then you either don't know what "lolita" really means or you're the type of person who doesn't care, in which you'd be dropped from the ATKCash program for that alone. ANY of our affiliates that we find trading traffic with sites like that WILL be dropped from our program as well.

Chris - ATKCash

PS: I challenge ANYONE here to convince me that skimming traffic is an ethical, effective way to gain new customers or to build long-term relationships with satisfied customers (which is our primary goal). Just because everyone's doing something, doesn't make it right.

tranza · 05-05-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

very cool man.

do you know of any others that don't allow skimming? ( other than the thread you linked) you said "some" so I am assuming you have come across this before?

Nope, not really, that's the only one I think. That's why I'm asking that question here.

TheDoc · 05-05-2005, 11:57 AM

While I wouldn't close an account for this, I can understand it. You are using MY copyrighted content to promote another site. (free or not) Most programs rules state that you can only promote my site with my content.

Like I said, I wouldn't shut an account off for it, but I do understand it and don't disagree with the action they have taken. If a person clicks my busty thumbnail, they want to see a busty girl, not be skimmed off to another site that has other sponsors on it, one possibly being a busty site.

the Shemp · 05-05-2005, 11:59 AM

i agree with ATK...
content is supplied to send traffic to their site, not to trade traffic with...

however, many sponsors dont care, thats their call..

Rochard · 05-05-2005, 12:10 PM

It's been a well known fact that TGPs have done this since day one, and has always been a widely accepted practice. As long as TGPs are using our content to promote our sites within reasonable limits I see no problem with it.

Doc911 · 05-05-2005, 01:04 PM

I don't have a problem with skimming but when the sites TGP's have no content at all and just use the thumbs to trade traffic it becomes an issue I'd say 50%+ to galleries is a must.

andrej_NDC · 05-05-2005, 02:45 PM

bad for those programs, good for others

05-05-2005, 11:16 AM	#1
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Question to programs owners or reps about their TOS After reading another thread here at GFY something got me worried. So I'd like to know: do you guys accept traffic from TGPs that skim? That's a simple question, and a simple yes or no should do the trick. I cannot believe that sponsors would ban someone from their programs, without paying anything, just because a person skims traffic on his TGP. That's just unreal. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

05-05-2005, 11:35 AM	#5
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	Put Porn DVD Dollars and StiffyCash as Yes votes... We do allow it! __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

05-05-2005, 11:49 AM	#9
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	using a thumb from a sponsor to skim traffic to a trade? is that the issue here? __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

05-05-2005, 11:50 AM	#11
BigRod Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 3,685	I am guilty of NOT reading all of them, problem is most of them are exactly the same so I get complacent. __________________ Rod Macdonald Mainstream Ad Agency Owner ICQ: 607306

05-05-2005, 11:57 AM	#16
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	While I wouldn't close an account for this, I can understand it. You are using MY copyrighted content to promote another site. (free or not) Most programs rules state that you can only promote my site with my content. Like I said, I wouldn't shut an account off for it, but I do understand it and don't disagree with the action they have taken. If a person clicks my busty thumbnail, they want to see a busty girl, not be skimmed off to another site that has other sponsors on it, one possibly being a busty site. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

05-05-2005, 11:25 AM	#2
jawanda Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,040	Yeah that is crazy. Don't think most PPS or Revshare programs care how you send it, as long as it's legal (not spam) and makes sales. Link to the other thread?

05-05-2005, 11:37 AM	#6
VIPimp Marina WILL have my babies! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,234	We allow it...

05-05-2005, 11:40 AM	#7
3piece chicken Dinner Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: On your plate Posts: 1,065	not to stir shit. But are you saying you don't read the TOS of the sponsor(s) you promote? Everyone should do themselves a favor and read the TOS's of there sponsors. Otherwise you end up being the person crying how someone did you wrong. IE the bank charged me nsf fee's when I bounced checks........ I got in an accident and now the insurance company say's I don't have full coverage, or my sponsor says that I violated their TOS and they have shut off my account and refuse to pay. All could be avoided if people were not so fucking lazy. Read and know what you have got yourself into. And then if you don't agree with something listed in the TOS you can discuss the issues prior to having a problem.

05-05-2005, 11:59 AM	#17
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	i agree with ATK... content is supplied to send traffic to their site, not to trade traffic with... however, many sponsors dont care, thats their call.. __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

05-05-2005, 12:10 PM	#18
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,006	It's been a well known fact that TGPs have done this since day one, and has always been a widely accepted practice. As long as TGPs are using our content to promote our sites within reasonable limits I see no problem with it. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

05-05-2005, 01:04 PM	#19
Doc911 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: If i was up your ass you'd know Posts: 3,695	I don't have a problem with skimming but when the sites TGP's have no content at all and just use the thumbs to trade traffic it becomes an issue I'd say 50%+ to galleries is a must. __________________ For PHP/MySQL scripts ICQ 161480555 or email [email protected]

05-05-2005, 02:45 PM	#20
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	bad for those programs, good for others