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Paraskass 05-01-2005 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex
Why are you idiots living by that mentality.
Just like the other thread where the mom showed her kids how to get porn.

Problem - Kids are going to drink alcohol anways
Solution - Allow them to drink at home so you can monitor

Problem - Kids are going to smoke pot anyways
Solution - Buy the pot for them so you know they are getting good stuff and not some shit that might kill them


Do you realize how stupid it is.
OMG. once again I am shocked.
I can't believe you think the way you do and succeed in working in this biz.

Alex 05-01-2005 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NoCarrier
No, my comments were not ignorant.
Im not contridicting myself.
Only think amazing is how little you understand or hwo you try to put words in my mouth
Abstinense is the only way to fully 100% prevent STDs and Pregancies. End of discussion. Thats a fact.

My only opnion in this thread and the one that i still stand buy is that we need to teach both.

Alex 05-01-2005 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Paraskass
OMG. once again I am shocked.
I can't believe you think the way you do and succeed in working in this biz.
Go fuck some more trannies idiot. Either make a point or stop with your idiot insults.

Illicit 05-01-2005 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Franck
Im makiing that pic my background :)

DX 05-01-2005 01:30 PM
abort them both, save everyone else the misery of hearing about it constantly.

hydro 05-01-2005 01:31 PM
she'll probably end up "tripping" and killing the baby

hydro 05-01-2005 01:32 PM
what sucks even more is that in 16 years that kid is probably going to kill somebody and steal their car then the tax payers will have to pay for his jailtime

NoCarrier 05-01-2005 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex
Abstinense is the only way to fully 100% prevent STDs and Pregancies. End of discussion. Thats a fact.
No shit. I never said you were wrong. Read my replies instead of ignoring them. I said you were right, but we don't live in an utopian society. Teenagers will have sex, even if don't like it. Welcome to 2005.

pornguy 05-01-2005 01:33 PM
She has already proven that she is not fit to have a child, and her mother shoud be drawn and quartered.

Alex 05-01-2005 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by NoCarrier
No shit. I never said you were wrong. Read my replies instead of ignoring them. I said you were right, but we don't live in an utopian society. Teenagers will have sex, even if don't llike it. Welcome to 2005.
Not all teenagers are "currupt"

The thing is teaching only abstiense wont work.
But teaching birth control alone gives kids the impression that its okay only if we do it this way
Im no expert but we need to find a way to teach both to make sure its more effective.

hydro 05-01-2005 01:35 PM
50 broken condoms

woj 05-01-2005 01:35 PM
51 :error

Paraskass 05-01-2005 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex
Go fuck some more trannies idiot. Either make a point or stop with your idiot insults.
i did, just above my comment.

Alex 05-01-2005 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Paraskass
i did, just above my comment.
Make a point about what i said. This is a debate. I make an arguement now prove to me that what i said is stupid/wrong. Dont just insult me.

bringer 05-01-2005 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Paraskass
you sir are wrong.
there is nothing wrong with 13 year olds having sex. It is going to happen no matter what.

It was happenning 150 years ago, and 1000 years ago.
Do arranged marriages tell you anything? 13-14-15 year old girls beeing married and starting families earlier in the century when people we're even more religious.

Wake the fuck up.
"its going to happen no matter what" makes it ok? it happened 150 years ago so its ok? lets bring back slavery if thats the case... starting with you
didnt "arranged marriages" happen between 13-15 year old girls and 25-30 year old men? thats ok too? give me a break. i cant believe you see no problem with 13 year olds having sex. you're probably have no problem looking at 13 year old "art" aswell. you need to wake the fuck up.

uno 05-01-2005 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bringer
both are affective and both have flaws. theres education about drinking and drugs yet kids still do them. if the parents were doing their job they'd have better control over their kids actions. parents today are more worried about tonights episode of survivor then their children. thats why kids today are 14 and 350 lbs from eating mcdonalds for breakfast and dinner each day because mommy wants to watch tv instead of prepare food. theres more to it then just telling them something and hope they listen.
Have you seen the crap they try to pass off as information about drugs and alcohol? It's in the same realm as abstinance teachings. They try to scare the shit out of kids with lies, misinformation and misrepresentations. No fucking wonder no kid believes anything adults tell them and make shitty decisions. They can't possibly make an informed decision after these processes.

uno 05-01-2005 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex
Wow how does it feel to not only be an idiot but to be ignorant.

Weed = Drug
A drug is any substance that alters the way your body works for good or bad.
Did I say that weed wasn't a drug? Every time you've tried to argue some dumbass point with me you've realized you had shoved your foot in your mouth. Well you have again. Here is what you said:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex
Problem - Kids are going to smoke pot anyways
Solution - Buy the pot for them so you know they are getting good stuff and not some shit that might kill them


Do you realize how stupid it is.
I said even shitty weed wouldn't kill their children.

bringer 05-01-2005 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by uno
Have you seen the crap they try to pass off as information about drugs and alcohol? It's in the same realm as abstinance teachings. They try to scare the shit out of kids with lies, misinformation and misrepresentations. No fucking wonder no kid believes anything adults tell them and make shitty decisions. They can't possibly make an informed decision after these processes.
what would you recommend then? pass out free samples to all the kids so they can experience it themselves? id rather have them taught drinking and doing coke can kill you then its a wonder ride that can be enjoyed by all.

uno 05-01-2005 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bringer
what would you recommend then? pass out free samples to all the kids so they can experience it themselves? id rather have them taught drinking and doing coke can kill you then its a wonder ride that can be enjoyed by all.
Absolutely not. Where would you possibly get an idea of such an extreme? Inform kids with honest information. Tell them about the negative consequences, tell them about the positives. You can give information to them in an unbiased manner. Scare tactics don't work. They never have. Kid's (generally) are not dumb. They can see through bullshit, maybe not at first, but they will. They will see that they were lied to. They will see that weed will not kill them or even ruin their lives. If you'd rather raise your kids lying to them in order to scare them to death to keep them in line then I feel bad for your kids.

Missy 05-01-2005 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NoCarrier
No, but you can blame the dumbass parents who decided to close their eyes and have faith in abstinence.
Several of you seem to be blaming the parents, but I noticed that the article states:

"Florida's department of children and families intervened and took the matter to court, arguing the teenager, who is under the care of the state..."

Doesn't that mean that she doesn't have any parental supervision? If so, that would explain a lot.

bringer 05-01-2005 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Missy
Several of you seem to be blaming the parents, but I noticed that the article states:

"Florida's department of children and families intervened and took the matter to court, arguing the teenager, who is under the care of the state..."

Doesn't that mean that she doesn't have any parental supervision? If so, that would explain a lot.
lets pay more in taxes to support these people who are the result of irresponsible acts! :thumbsup

DWB 05-01-2005 05:15 PM
Wow... that is fucked. She lacks the maturity to have an abortion but has the maturity to be a motherr? WTF?

DWB 05-01-2005 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by hydro
50 broken condoms
Though I should not laugh at that, I will... :1orglaugh

BradM 05-01-2005 05:17 PM
Why not shoot her? It will save us all a lot of tax money when she decides to get pregnant 4 more times in the next 4 years.

eroswebmaster 05-01-2005 05:17 PM
I am pro choice....HOWEVER we're talking about a child...and yeah you can put up all the BS arguments about how she might not be able to talk to her parents etc...but the simple fact is she still is a child.
She could not go and order selective surgery on her own.
Hell she can't even see an R-Rated movie..but she should be allowed the choice to terminate a pregnancy?
Ridiculous.
Now...once again HOWEVER since she is a ward of the state she should be pointed a guardian ad-litem...and then maybe put her through a series of counseling sessions where the pros and cons can be discussed rationally and then let her make her choice and the guardian ad -litem can help her pursue that choice.

eroswebmaster 05-01-2005 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bringer
what would you recommend then? pass out free samples to all the kids so they can experience it themselves? id rather have them taught drinking and doing coke can kill you then its a wonder ride that can be enjoyed by all.
I think what he's getting at and I can agree is that when the scare tactics are exaggerated and someone finds out a puff on a joint isn't going to kill you the trust factor is lost between the child and parent.

Of course coke can kill you..but parents shouldn't lump all drugs under the "can kill you" flag.

Be honest about what can happen, where taking those dangerous roads can lead.

detoxed 05-01-2005 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bringer
that doesnt work either. abortions should be legal but regulated. i dont think jane doe should be able to get 10+ a year because she'd rather not protect herself, the whole time possibly spreading disease.

Umm I really doubt after 10+ abortions a year she'd still be able to get pregnant

After Shock Media 05-01-2005 05:25 PM
Hmm since she was a ward of the court i.e. an orphan, foster kid, juvy, ect. Then would the state/court also be responsible for lack of supervision and allowing a 13 year old to engage in sexual acts?

The abortion element is clear cut, just like in the Shiavo case. The courts have over stepped their boundries and should get slapped down immediatly before it becomes to late for this teenager to have an abortion.

This does not matter if you think abortions should or should not be legal, or for what reasons and so on. This is again about a present law that should be followed, end of story. Though we do know it will get very political unless by some off chance the republicans have learned their lesson from last time.

Alex 05-01-2005 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by uno
Did I say that weed wasn't a drug? Every time you've tried to argue some dumbass point with me you've realized you had shoved your foot in your mouth. Well you have again. Here is what you said:

I said even shitty weed wouldn't kill their children.
Stop digging yourself into a bigger ditch.

Dumbass. Here is what you said

Quote:
Originally Posted by uno
Yes, that is tremendously stupid as even shitty pot wouldn't harm them.

Now can you honestly say that pot/weed is harmless? Huh idiot? Can ya?

bhutocracy 05-01-2005 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex
Stop digging yourself into a bigger ditch.

Dumbass. Here is what you said

Now can you honestly say that pot/weed is harmless? Huh idiot? Can ya?
I wouldn't be calling anyone dumb after saying this :

"Problem - Kids are going to smoke pot anyways
Solution - Buy the pot for them so you know they are getting good stuff and not some shit that might kill them"

You've already voted yourself off rational argument island.

uno 05-01-2005 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster
I think what he's getting at and I can agree is that when the scare tactics are exaggerated and someone finds out a puff on a joint isn't going to kill you the trust factor is lost between the child and parent.

Of course coke can kill you..but parents shouldn't lump all drugs under the "can kill you" flag.

Be honest about what can happen, where taking those dangerous roads can lead.
Absolutely.

uno 05-01-2005 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex
Stop digging yourself into a bigger ditch.

Dumbass. Here is what you said




Now can you honestly say that pot/weed is harmless? Huh idiot? Can ya?
As far as causing physical harm and more to the point your quote that it 'will kill them' absofuckinglutely. Can pot harm someone to the point of killing them? no. I still have no clue where you got that I had said that pot isnt a drug. I'll take your apology anytime you want to give it. :thumbsup

uno 05-01-2005 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bhutocracy
I wouldn't be calling anyone dumb after saying this :

"Problem - Kids are going to smoke pot anyways
Solution - Buy the pot for them so you know they are getting good stuff and not some shit that might kill them"

You've already voted yourself off rational argument island.
I'm reasonably certain that arguing is going to be an excersize in futility. What was this guy's nick before he changed it a month or 2 ago?

After Shock Media 05-01-2005 05:52 PM
Why has this thread turned from abortion to weed?

uno 05-01-2005 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord of the fungi
Why has this thread turned from abortion to weed?
Tangents are fun!

cambaby 05-01-2005 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
Florida law is very clear. The girl doesn't need anyone's permission to request and receive an abortion. This is the same exact agency that interfered with the Schiavo case.

Neo-con christians complain about activist judges? The most anti-Americans are the fundamentalists that want to turn back 200+ years of legal and social progress. These are the same exact people that were lynching black people, tarring Catholics, and baiting Jews 40 years ago. No difference. Same people, same churchs, same evil... the only thing different is that the KKK is now called the Council for American Values.
So the child is yours then?

bhutocracy 05-01-2005 06:14 PM
i thought neo-cons were against higher taxes. This girl is a ward of the state, it's taxpayers that are going to pay to raise this baby.

bhutocracy 05-01-2005 06:19 PM
the baby in 15 years:

"So mom, it took the florida state to intervene to stop you aborting me"

can you feel the love? what a great environment to be growing up in, an irresponsible underage ward of the state mother that didn't want you..

12clicks 05-01-2005 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4500245.stm

I find it funny that a judge ruled she was incapable of making her own decision, but didn't take into consideration whether she would be a capable mother! Bow down to God.

A pregnant 13-year-old girl in Florida has been told she cannot have an abortion because she lacks the maturity to make such a decision.
A state court granted an injunction which prevents the girl from terminating her pregnancy.

She is three months pregnant and had planned to have an abortion on Tuesday of this week.

The American Civil Liberties Union says it will launch an urgent appeal against the ruling.

'Too young to choose'

Florida's department of children and families intervened and took the matter to court, arguing the teenager, who is under the care of the state, is too young and immature to make an informed medical decision. Judge Ronald Alvarez in Palm Beach accepted that argument and has granted a temporary injunction and psychological evaluation, which effectively blocks her from terminating the pregnancy.

It is a case which, once again, plays into the heated and divisive debate about abortion in America.

The judge's ruling comes in spite of Florida state law which specifically does not require a minor to seek parental consent before an abortion.

The American Civil Liberties Union 's executive director in Florida, Howard Simon, said forcing a 13-year-old to carry on an unwanted pregnancy to term, against her wishes, is not only illegal and unconstitutional, it is cruel.
once you mature you'll understand that a 13yr old does what it's parents think is best not what some asshole from the aclu thinks is best.

jigg 05-01-2005 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bringer
why the fuck is a 13yearold 3 months pregnant?
she ran away while in the custody of the children and family dept of Florida


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